We want to give minnows, dolphins and whales the chance to jump in and give something back to the community, especially to newbies.
Distributing some free SBD will give people with smaller accounts the chance to add some growth to their account. They can use the additional SBD for resteems or SP investments - so also longtimers will benefit of more voters with higher SBD ;)
As in the beginning, we share 100 % of the SBD created by this post equaly to all upvoters !
Upvoting still is enough to reserve your share !
Resteeming is not a must but might increase the total reward pool as more Steemers will visit this post.
Thanks for participation and watch out for further Giveaways coming your way ;)
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I would also encourage you, to read through this and that - there I shared some thoughts on Giveaways ;)
This is an exploitation of the curation system. Rewards exist to encourage content that attracts an active community. Redirecting rewards without producing anything to merit investment undermines the future of the platform and should be downvoted.
Buying votes with schemes like this undermines the future of this community. If you want to help the whole community and especially minnows, please help curate and share their quality content so it can be properly upvoted as it deserves.
I want to see this community grow and eventually replace Facebook and Youtube, but I don't think that will happen if we're focused on harvesting rewards now instead of building and rewarding things that can last well into the future. Thanks!
As promised - after # 52 (published two hours before your intervention) I will stop doing those Giveaways.
Maybe I also join your initiative but I have to make up my mind and I also will reply to you more detailed - just too busy right now ;-)
So far: I also see great potential in Steemit regarding real competition to facebook and stuff - but as it is still in Beta and just about 650k users I guess giveaways, contetst and bots are not a really big problem right now...
I guess some things will change leaving the beta status...
but we will keep on discussing that - I guess I also make a post about that topic, your point of view and the different opinions on that matter etc. to bring it to a broader audience and to see even more opinions as until now on your actions and e.g. the @steemflagrewards initiative and so on...
Guess that's what Steemit is besides great content also here for, right ?
I think while Steem is young and small the bots and misuse are more of a threat to it, not less. The smaller the established community is, the more of a chance there is of it being overrun with people who will just harvest it before it can grow. It's important to get it off to a good start down a sustainable path before it picks up too much momentum.
To clarify, the @steemflagrewards initiative isn't mine, though I may have helped inspire it. I think this is an important issue and I appreciate their support, as well as your willingness to discuss it.
I don't have the correct numbers right now (but they can be found in recherche) and it is no critisism to the Steemit system as a whole but I am quiet sure that I have read that a big part of Steem tokens is owned by the founders and some early birds who were in at the beginning of the network where rewards and inflation were very high and it was far easier to gain a valuable amount of Steem resp. Steempower as it is now...
So from my point of view it would be quiet legit to run som initiatives like bots or contests to give the second or third wave of users also an opportunity to become valuable curators without investing to much money...
Already some time ago my thought was that in the future people like me (member account number 336 927) will have some responsibility to take care of keeping Steemit clean somehow (regarding spam, low quality and reward farming etc.).
For me iniatives like yours seem a little too early (but that is just my opinion) and I also see bigger problems than giveaway posts paying out some $ 0.0XX SBD to upvoters.
But you are right: it establishes a wrong voting behaviour and doesn't fit too much into the idea of the Steemit reward system and what this network really is about (decentralized, free from censorship etc).
To understand my thoughts on that matter a little deeper I would like to encourage you to read though this and that - links which I also posted in every Giveaway ;-)
Further it would be nice if you take a look at my whole blog (it is not too much, just started in August 2017) so you will find out that I personally care very much about Steemit and contribution to the community.
Once again, thanks for your initiative and your brainpower used on how to improve Steemit resp. how to build a great valuable community - and we are on the road to that but not reached the goal yet ;-)
You are correct that a lot of SP is held by early birds. That's how I got my stake in Steem, but a wide range of personal philosophies are represented within the early stakeholders. I try to use my influence to help build something sustainable and productive, but I have significant concerns that too much stake may find its way into the hands of people with unsustainable or short term visions.
Distribution to newcomers through contests is central to the design of Steem. Every post is a contest for stakeholder votes which distributes more stake. That means Steem is designed to amplify its consensus, because people who produce what the stakeholders approve are likely to upvote the same sort of content using the stake they're awarded. Distributing more early stake through contests that run directly counter to long term goals (upvoting quality content) puts more control of the network in the hands of people who increase the odds of failure.
As member account number 783, this network probably feels older to me than it does to you. The reason I got in so soon was because I was already involved with the technology and community. I was in the BitShares community and I recruited one of the developers who built the infrastructure Steem is based on, so when the Steem network launched I was already a part of it before it even had a real website. Some may think I was just lucky to be in the right place at the right time. I won't claim luck isn't a factor, but I also spent countless late nights reading and researching different technologies, philosophies, and developers to arrive at that place and time. My vision is to use my influence to do my small part in guiding this network's growth to onboard the masses to the decentralized economy and gradually free humanity from the corruption of the entrenched political machine.
I agree to vast extend but want to call you one thing to mind:
Distributing Voting Power to a broad public is the most basic-democratic thing that could be done otherwise Steemit could run into kind of oligarchy of developers, early birds and big investors resp. stakeholders...
But you may be right: Lot of people seem not to be ready for this because with voting power there also comes responsibility...
Please combine this answer of mine with the other reply I did today on your reply ;-) click
Keeping it an oligarchy isn't profitable for early stakeholders. Value depends on the willingness of outsiders to trade it at a high value, which depends on the health of the network and the efforts of all community members funnels into that. If whales choose to use their stake only to reward themselves, the rest of the community will abandon them and their stake will become worthless. We need to distribute rewards/stake, but we need to distribute it to productive and healthy community members, not to those who only want to take payouts without improving the community.
If you are so right as you want to be seem, then why you do not upvote the quality content yourself, but only distribute flags and upvote your own comments? Why you do not follow the advice that you give to others?
I upvote quality content, and I've never advocated against self-upvoting quality content. Looking through my comment history I see that I rarely upvote my comments except to counter when they're being abusively downvoted.
I notice you 100% upvoted your own comment in which you accuse me of hypocrisy for upvoting my own comments. This despite the fact that I don't object to people self-voting (non-abusive) content, and the fact that I don't typically upvote my own comments...
Muy buena iniciativa gracias.
I don't understand your language but I guess you want to say thank you ;-)
You are welcome !
This is an exploitation of the curation system. Rewards exist to encourage content that attracts an active community. Redirecting rewards without producing anything to merit investment undermines the future of the platform and should be downvoted.
Buying votes with schemes like this undermines the future of this community. If you want to help the whole community and especially minnows, please help curate and share their quality content so it can be properly upvoted as it deserves.
I want to see this community grow and eventually replace Facebook and Youtube, but I don't think that will happen if we're focused on harvesting rewards now instead of building and rewarding things that can last well into the future. Thanks!
As promised - after # 52 (published two hours before your intervention) I will stop doing those Giveaways.
Maybe I also join your initiative but I have to make up my mind and I also will reply to you more detailed - just too busy right now ;-)
So far: I also see great potential in Steemit regarding real competition to facebook and stuff - but as it is still in Beta and just about 650k users I guess giveaways, contetst and bots are not a really big problem right now...
I guess some things will change leaving the beta status...
but we will keep on discussing that - I guess I also make a post about that topic, your point of view and the different opinions on that matter etc. to bring it to a broader audience and to see even more opinions as until now on your actions and e.g. the @steemflagrewards initiative and so on...
Guess that's what Steemit is besides great content also here for, right ?
CU
;-)
I think while Steem is young and small the bots and misuse are more of a threat to it, not less. The smaller the established community is, the more of a chance there is of it being overrun with people who will just harvest it before it can grow. It's important to get it off to a good start down a sustainable path before it picks up too much momentum.
To clarify, the @steemflagrewards initiative isn't mine, though I may have helped inspire it. I think this is an important issue and I appreciate their support, as well as your willingness to discuss it.
I don't have the correct numbers right now (but they can be found in recherche) and it is no critisism to the Steemit system as a whole but I am quiet sure that I have read that a big part of Steem tokens is owned by the founders and some early birds who were in at the beginning of the network where rewards and inflation were very high and it was far easier to gain a valuable amount of Steem resp. Steempower as it is now...
So from my point of view it would be quiet legit to run som initiatives like bots or contests to give the second or third wave of users also an opportunity to become valuable curators without investing to much money...
Already some time ago my thought was that in the future people like me (member account number 336 927) will have some responsibility to take care of keeping Steemit clean somehow (regarding spam, low quality and reward farming etc.).
For me iniatives like yours seem a little too early (but that is just my opinion) and I also see bigger problems than giveaway posts paying out some $ 0.0XX SBD to upvoters.
But you are right: it establishes a wrong voting behaviour and doesn't fit too much into the idea of the Steemit reward system and what this network really is about (decentralized, free from censorship etc).
To understand my thoughts on that matter a little deeper I would like to encourage you to read though this and that - links which I also posted in every Giveaway ;-)
Further it would be nice if you take a look at my whole blog (it is not too much, just started in August 2017) so you will find out that I personally care very much about Steemit and contribution to the community.
Once again, thanks for your initiative and your brainpower used on how to improve Steemit resp. how to build a great valuable community - and we are on the road to that but not reached the goal yet ;-)
You are correct that a lot of SP is held by early birds. That's how I got my stake in Steem, but a wide range of personal philosophies are represented within the early stakeholders. I try to use my influence to help build something sustainable and productive, but I have significant concerns that too much stake may find its way into the hands of people with unsustainable or short term visions.
Distribution to newcomers through contests is central to the design of Steem. Every post is a contest for stakeholder votes which distributes more stake. That means Steem is designed to amplify its consensus, because people who produce what the stakeholders approve are likely to upvote the same sort of content using the stake they're awarded. Distributing more early stake through contests that run directly counter to long term goals (upvoting quality content) puts more control of the network in the hands of people who increase the odds of failure.
As member account number 783, this network probably feels older to me than it does to you. The reason I got in so soon was because I was already involved with the technology and community. I was in the BitShares community and I recruited one of the developers who built the infrastructure Steem is based on, so when the Steem network launched I was already a part of it before it even had a real website. Some may think I was just lucky to be in the right place at the right time. I won't claim luck isn't a factor, but I also spent countless late nights reading and researching different technologies, philosophies, and developers to arrive at that place and time. My vision is to use my influence to do my small part in guiding this network's growth to onboard the masses to the decentralized economy and gradually free humanity from the corruption of the entrenched political machine.
I agree to vast extend but want to call you one thing to mind:
Distributing Voting Power to a broad public is the most basic-democratic thing that could be done otherwise Steemit could run into kind of oligarchy of developers, early birds and big investors resp. stakeholders...
But you may be right: Lot of people seem not to be ready for this because with voting power there also comes responsibility...
Please combine this answer of mine with the other reply I did today on your reply ;-) click
Keeping it an oligarchy isn't profitable for early stakeholders. Value depends on the willingness of outsiders to trade it at a high value, which depends on the health of the network and the efforts of all community members funnels into that. If whales choose to use their stake only to reward themselves, the rest of the community will abandon them and their stake will become worthless. We need to distribute rewards/stake, but we need to distribute it to productive and healthy community members, not to those who only want to take payouts without improving the community.
If you are so right as you want to be seem, then why you do not upvote the quality content yourself, but only distribute flags and upvote your own comments? Why you do not follow the advice that you give to others?
I upvote quality content, and I've never advocated against self-upvoting quality content. Looking through my comment history I see that I rarely upvote my comments except to counter when they're being abusively downvoted.
I notice you 100% upvoted your own comment in which you accuse me of hypocrisy for upvoting my own comments. This despite the fact that I don't object to people self-voting (non-abusive) content, and the fact that I don't typically upvote my own comments...