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RE: Flat Earthers - Failed.
I can't speak for mobbs but at a guess I think he means get them to see logic and stop endangering their own kids as well as everyone else's?
I can't speak for mobbs but at a guess I think he means get them to see logic and stop endangering their own kids as well as everyone else's?
If the vaccines work like they are supposed to, how is an unvaxxed child a "danger" to a vaxxed child? Isn't that the point of the vaccine, to protect the individual who received it
Sorry we can perhaps discuss this in a later post, I really wanna keep it focussed on flat earth
With all due respect you did mention Anti-vaxxers in this post, if you don't want to discuss that subject here it may be best not to bring it up. Just my thoughts.
I can already see a nice debate in the comments of your upcoming post. Love what you do, trying to make some sense of it all.
However, I would like to point out the following: 95% of logic processing that happens in your brain is emotion. Some wouldn't call emotion logic (I wouldn't), but that's just fact, so I hear.
So when someone just feels in their gut that they have been lied to, they become immediately susceptible to 'alternative facts' within that domain. They can also become the fiercest and staunchest defenders of whatever theory it is that 'resonates' with them.
A quick google search will provide enough to support any wild theory. Don't be to harsh on them, they are usually good folk.
But I am following you, hoping for some of the best times in the comments under your posts. :)
I don't think 'logic is emotion' in that way, maybe misunderstood but the general concept you're talking about - definitely. There is a whole range of different psychological phenomenon going on behind the scenes that I occasionally read upon; cognitive dissonance in particular, a process in our heads that just makes us HATE being wrong, and also neurological reasons galore, such as our addiction and often dependence on serotonin and dopamine, a desire to find satisfaction and 'rest'.
It's a whole fascinating area of human nature, which is why I don't get angry when arguing these things anymore, it's all just...fascinating
Google "herd immunity" and then explain to me how you didn't already know about it.
I know about it. Now explain to me if the vaccine is supposed to work like we are told, how is an unprotected (unvaxxed) child a danger to a protected (vaxxed) child? Whats the point of getting a vaccine if it doesn't protect you from what it's supposed to?
How do you not know the answer to that if you know what herd immunity is?
I'm sorry I did not come to the same conclusion you did after doing research. So let me ask it this way, you have a herd of 19 cattle, all fully vaccinated (protected), and one is added to the herd that is not vaccinated (unprotected). At this point you have a herd with 95% vaccination rate. How does that 1 pose a threat to the 19?
The unvaccinated cattle is a refuge for viruses which could not survive in the vaccinated cattle. This gives it someplace to mutate until it's able to infect the vaccinated cattle. The continuous mutation of viruses is why you need more than one flu shot throughout life.
If 100% of the cattle are vaccinated, there are no available hosts, and the virus dies out. A great many diseases have been defeated this way throughout human history. Not because 100% of people were vaccinated but because a large enough majority were in developed countries that the disease persisted only in small, remote populations. Some of those diseases are now coming back because of refusal to vaccinate.
http://time.com/27308/4-diseases-making-a-comeback-thanks-to-anti-vaxxers/
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2016/03/study-relates-vaccine-refusal-rise-measles-pertussis
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html
http://www.health.com/childhood-vaccines/5-old-diseases-that-are-making-a-comeback
http://reference.medscape.com/features/slideshow/vaccine-preventable-diseases
You've just destroyed your own argument for herd immunity. Huge numbers of adults who have been vaccinated are no longer immune because vaccines don't work for very long. If herd immunity could be achieved...that would be by the population developing true, natural immunity, thereby limiting the potential for contagion and offering some protection to those potentially more vulnerable.
According to an internet rando with no medical qualifications. What shape do you suppose the Earth is, Cletus?
Because viruses mutate. Do you acknowledge that viruses mutate?
Viruses, bacteria and other pathogens mutate too quickly for this to occur. The rate of human evolution is drastically slower because a human takes over a decade to mature before they can reproduce. Microorganisms reproduce much, much, much faster.
That all sounds good on paper but it ignores real-world observable evidence. Whether you think the Earth is 6000 years old or six billion years old without vaccines how did humans and animals survive as long as they have? If viruses and diseases work like you say they do then how come there hasn't been a mass extinction prior to the development of our modern vaccines?
Dear humanity:
May your fall be swift, and allow as many large animal species to continue to exist as possible.
The blackness of death is a darkness humans have forgotten. When the plagues roll through the foolish, brainwashed population, I will cackle with madness as the cultists pray for relief.
But no relief will come.
Chaos shall reign upon the heralding of the blackest plague.
~Heretic
Also I'm curious, do you think vaccines should be mandatory?
I would love to hear your explanation of the mumps outbreak of 2016 in Arkansas where there were over 1200 reported cases with 98% of the infected being vaccinated prior to being infected and the outbreak originated from a vaccinated individual and no one died.
@alexbeyman in fact it appears you never did respond to his last statement nor did you answer my question of whether or not you think vaccines should be mandatory? I'll add another question, do you have children?
You're the one ignoring my questions. What shape do you believe the Earth to be, and how old would you say it is?
Not quite. I am under no pretense that I could ever change their minds. People can typically only change their own minds in these circles, I just want to learn how they reached their position so strongly and determinedly
Fair enough I have deleted my post.
Great to see someone who is willing to have the discussion without emotion. I think there are a FE 's out there who just want a free ride into space. It's the only I have considered becoming a FE lol.
@dwells in respect of mobbs post we can continue this disucssion some other time. Have a great day.
Thanks! and lolz