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Well its only drawings. We believe in many theories, and over time the reality as we know it - changes.

Yes, reality as we know it changes... when we discover new science that causes us to question our beliefs. Then we do more science that confirms or denies this new science. However, flat earthers have done none of that. They just ignore the science and go by what they see and feel. When you show them that what they see and feel is wrong, they will just ignore it.

Case in point, the fact that the only map they've been able to produce in thousands of years of thought is a globe projected onto a flat surface.

I see you are worried that people dont believe the institutional science, and relying own their own instincts and logic.

No, I 'worry' that logic, reason, math, and science are going out the window in favor of people being too stupid or lazy to do their own research. And instead, they listen to gurus who tell them what to think, and play on their egos by telling them how smart they are for doing the exact opposite of everyone else.

If you were to read the first article I wrote, that I linked to in the first paragraph, you'll see that I praise anyone who questions the 'status quo' and any particular model. However, instead of doing science and testing hypotheses, because they have questions, they outright reject one model and adopt a FAR FAR worse model that in no way explains known reality because it 'sounds' good and makes them seem special, like they have 'secret' knowledge that no one else does, when they really just watched someone's lame YouTube video that simply did math and science totally incorrectly.

And when you give them actual proofs and science, they simply reject it outright in favor of conspiracy theories and claims of being special snowflakes because they do not believe the status quo.

its' like they believe they are special and superior SIMPLY because they don't believe what they were taught. It's like the antithesis of rational thought. They derive their belief, not because they are thinking, but because someone told them something and they simply reject it without looking into it at all for themselves!

They are not using 'their own instincts and logic', they are REJECTING logic entirely, and simply getting their info from gurus who play to their egos.

I wish that 99% would really understand physics and math. Most people just rely on what they told. (Gurus as you say).
Not every one that knows how to draw an equation on a board knows the truth.
I respect science, but also respect humanity and the great forces in the universe. I think its naive to believe that science has the answer.
For instance, do you know that there is no experiment on the affect of lemon water?
Do you know why?
Because there is lack of financial incentive to research the affect of natural ingredients on the human body.
So please be more open minded, and more ampiric, and dont believe unless you fully understand or at least sense and feel.
There is plenty of wisdom inside you.

By the way, literally two minutes of searching found pages and pages of studies on lemon juice!

Here's just a few:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022534706031211

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0090429507001823

https://bmcurol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2490-7-18

If you were to actually look and see what I do, I'm a Functional Medicine Practitioner and do all of my own medical research. I have found tens of thousands, or possibly hundreds of thousands of research studies on natural ingredients and diets and how they effect the human body. I've literally spent the last 8 years of my life reading these studies and writing to laypeople about the positive results of these studies.

That is just my point about flat earthers not doing their research. They listen to 'guru's' who tell them that they are 'special' because they get this super secret inside information that no one has ever researched.

All the while, there are tens of thousands of studies on it. But they just simply don't bother.

Who said that I deny the 'wisdom inside of us'? And how did you determine that I'm not 'open minded'? Wow, you are really jumping to conclusions based on nothing.

There also IS science that tells us the answer to things that are NOT empiric. To use 'empirics' and ignore science is not 'open minded' either. Especially since SCIENCE shows us that our senses can fool us. There are thousands upon thousands of optical illusions, and people performing 'magic' is a lucrative business for the very REASON that our 'wisdom inside of us' can be easily fooled.

However, when the 'wisdom inside us', for instance the SENSATION that we live on a still plane, is ENTIRELY disputed by thousands of years of scientific evidence that are repeatable and you are able to do many of them yourself to prove your senses incorrect... well, choosing the 'wisdom inside of you' over thousands of points of evidence is just denial of reality, and is in no way a measure of great intellect.

According to you, we should also believe that people get smaller as they get further away from us, despite 'institutionalized science', whatever that means, telling us that is not what happens. According to you, anyone who believes that people's size does not change greatly when they get far away is simply not being 'open minded'.

Here's a few optical illusions for you. Now tell me that your senses are foolproof. Go ahead, look at them and tell me that the 'wisdom inside of you' is always correct.

http://list25.com/25-incredible-optical-illusions/

Thank you for your efforts. I appreciate your answers. Following you.

I love the part you wrote - "According to you, we should also believe that people get smaller as they get further away from us"
Well you know thet we all know to tell sizes and distance by our inner algorithm.
I must admit though, you did convince in your passion. And I value your good will.

Would it be possible that science is lying to you for the love of money?

Ummm, that I can look at the sky and know for a 100% fact that it's round from simple observations tells me know. It sounds like you are parroting what YouTubers say instead of actually gaining intelligence on how we have known with 100% certainty the earth is a globe for almost 2000 years now. And we have known with 100% certainty it's heliocentric since the invention of the telescope and the simple observation and measurement of stellar parallax.

and for the lust of control and domination maybe?

It is a disturbing disruptor meme set off by people with nefarious intentions to play on most people's lack of basic physics.

I suddenly started getting dozens of these mindless videos on Youtube some months ago.

There is one very simple proof against this stupidity - just before a lunar eclipse, we can see the shadow made by the curvature of the Earth. QED

The ancient Greeks wrote about this too - they couldn't explain it physically but they also could not argue against the geometry of it.

That's just the dome over the flat earth casting that shadow! On the moon....that is attached to the dome....uhhh...hmmmm.

There's also a scientific theory that says we are a 3D projection on a 2D surface. While they may be idiots we spend money on many things and we should not just mock them because some scientist get paid to come up with the darndest of theories.

That has zero to do with this topic. You missed the point entirely in favor of bringing up an unrelated and completely tangential subject.

Sorry, your post is wrong. (I don't mean to be offensive, but you failed in the first paragraph)

You didn't even touch on any of the flat earth's actual evidence.
You cleverly side stepped it all.

This kind of poor arguments makes me sad.

BTW: I do not believe in the flat earth model or the ball earth model.

Yet you did not provide any evidence that I'm wrong. Saying that the post is wrong, while not even saying WHY it's wrong is just a logical fallacy.

You're right, I did not touch on why the flat earth theory is incorrect, because that is NOT WHAT THIS POST IS ABOUT, and I referred you to one of my other posts that DOES show why it's incorrect.

THIS post is about how the flat earth map is actually an AZIMUTHAL PROJECTION MAP OF A GLOBE and how flat earthers are too stupid to even know it. If it were a post about the flat earth ARGUMENTS, and why their arguments are wrong, I would have discussed that. But it was not. It was about their MAP and nothing else, so why would I discuss why their ARGUMENTS are wrong on a post about their MAP? That is a strawman argument. Those kinds of poor arguments make ME sad.

So, please tell me what my post is incorrect about, particularly from the 'first paragraph'.

Please make an honest argument and specific about what is incorrect, or simply admit that it's not incorrect. That is how a 'good' argument actually works.

Take a look at your first paragraph.

To sum up:

Your stupid, Q.E.D.

That is a very bad way to start a discussion or an argument.

Further, you don't know how maps are made.
No map starts with a globe. They start with points. A list of latitudes and longitudes.
And these are plotted onto some kind of grid.
And there is all kinds of grids, each giving various results (with strengths and weaknesses)

LOL. You are horrible at debate. First of all, you missed the ENTIRE POINT about flat earth maps, and instead you are off on some crazy tangent about my writing skills not being to your satisfaction, while misquoting and misinterpreting what I said.

Second: I never used the word 'your' for 'you're' and I didn't say, "your stupid'. You have the right to interpret anything any way you wish, but to say that the CONTENT Of my post is incorrect, then critique my writing skills instead of stating where I am wrong is just illogical.

Third: It wasn't a documentary on how maps are MADE, but how THIS PARTICULAR map is DERIVED. It's DERIVED from a globe. Of course maps do not 'start as a globe', as if there is a machine that somehow 'presses' globes into flat shapes. The POINT was that, and it is correct to say so, that an Azimuthal Projection Map is DERIVED first, from a globe!

By critiquing my writing, then acting like I'm making a documentary about how maps are made, you seem to be avoiding the ENTIRE POINT of the article- that the flat earth community has no actual map or model of flat earth reality. Their map is derived from a GLOBE, not the reality of flat earth.

What about that is confusing to you, or angers you so much? THEY USE A MAP DERIVED FROM A GLOBE and call it a 'flat earth map'. Their model is totally and completely incorrect, yet most of them don't even realize it!

It's hilarious and sad that people are so unintelligent that they do not even know this.

I am not here for a debate. When you start off your post with an ad hominum, then there is nothing to debate.

I am pointing out that your doing so loses all credibility with anyone who you may actually want to debate. But, I guess you just want to preach to the choir. People who are with you chant, "yeah, he just called the other side stupid." Anybody who would actually like to debate finds this type of opening sad.

You came here telling me that my post was 'incorrect' so you OBVIOUSLY came here to 'debate', but now you are saying that you are not here for an argument! What a turnaround!

But then, when forced to concede that my post has no ERRORS, which was your contention, you continue to tell me that you do not like my writing STYLE, and you still offer nothing INCORRECT.

So, it seems you are just here to offer ad homs yourself by simply lying to try to discredit me by lying about my post being INCORRECT.. almost certainly because you simply do not agree with the CONTENT, so you pretend that you have an actual argument against it, when you cannot produce one.

And by the way, saying that someone has lack of logic, then SHOWING WHY, as I did on my previous article, is not an ad hom.

My comments were descriptions of substantiated and accurate observations of the lack of logic and reason being used by flat earthers for them to come to a particular unscientific conclusion. That is not an ad hom.

Ad homs are UNSUBSTANTIATED insults, designed to AVOID debate... like yours claiming that my post is incorrect, then saying that you are not here to debate.

You're 'sad' that people use ad homs... then INCORRECTLY categorize my comments as ad homs, then go on to actually use an ad hom yourself!

And it's soooo easy to show that a flat planet really exists, just not the earth. Here, a photo:

The flat earth supporting argument that all pictures from orbit / space are cgi fakes is the one that blew me away the most, the size of the conspiracy would have to be beyond monolithic. I always thought flat earthers would be advocates of the holographic universe model as well, but haven't seen any of them include it in their arguments. Anyway, I did write a nice fantasy story about sailing to the ends of the earth, but don't mistake it as flat earth advocacy please.

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Where's the edge and why doesn't all the water fall off the sides??? These people are too stupid to pay any attention to!

Oh you dont know how this claim is backed up? Research it if you care to see what the FEers say about this...

I've researched it. Anyone who claims there is an ice wall is parroting nonsense from a YouTube video and has done no actual research themselves. It's a silly claim akin to believing in Santa or the Easter Bunny.

https://steemit.com/flatearth/@kerriknox/part-1-of-4-the-flat-earth-antarctica-conspiracy-debunking-the-ice-wall

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