6/25/17 Higher rated Steemians on censorship campaigns?
It's pretty obvious that the blockchain social media attempt at free speech that is steemit is a failure and is actually quite dangerous. The higher rated steemians have the ability to start a censorship campaign in order to hide truths. For instance, there is a blogger here @marketreport who is giving out investment advice and posting trades at his personal blog that are fabrications. I tried to reveal this truth by showing his followers what the "actual" pricing was like for the trades he was making...as Greg Mannarino refuses to give full disclosure himself. That way those who may be following him will know the "real" facts before they make their decisions. A few people listened as they thanked me for providing the "disclosure"...but the rest were put on a censorship campaign that made my comments list look like this.
https://steemit.com/@joejustjoe
I honestly don't care about being censored by everyone here since I know that the "excitement" for steemit is being generated by false pretenses via false pricing of pretty much all cryptocurrencies. I am simply here to use steemit as a source to log my market commentary at for easy reference. And it is now not a "reach" to think that said individual might go and have his "tribe" censor (by flagging) every one of my blogs. The point I am making is that if the rest of the community actually thinks that this is an open and 'free" forum...they are mistaken.
Steemit is censorable (by Steemit Inc. or by whales). The Steem blockchain is not censorable by anyone. There's a difference between the two. Anyone so inclined can still find your original criticism of @marketreport in the Steem blockchain. It has not, and cannot feasibly, be consored from the blockchain.
You forgot to add >>>"...but your blocked post will of course still be censored from you updating it. So I guess it means it truly was censored if you look at it that way." :-)
steemit is mob rule joejustjoe thumbs up you live, thumbs down you die, strait out of gladiator times. steemit is all about jerking off people´s minds. if you can do it better than others you get rewarded, if not penalized. throw a flew mind hand jobs out to the boys and they will gladly accept you back into the flock of sheep!
Crap. I just upvoted you and my vote was once again only worth a penny. You made .10 just for spewin. When my vote is worth .05 then...only then will I "know" I have been accepted. I herd that if you upvote yourself again tomorrow you will double the STEEM bux in a single trade! I'm here for the long haul...or until I'm werth $5 bux...steemed or resteemed...I don't even care...whichever comes first.
Neat, this spew has been unblocked and it has made me enough that I doesn't hasta borrow that .10 centavos from you. I'm heading off to the jiffy store to get those ketchup packets. This is free money to me so I think I'm gonna splurge on some skittles and maybe a wild razzleberry ssshlurpie too. Don't let Greg crap out of his GLD or SLV trade til I get back. Thanks. Did I upvote this spew of yours yet?
I caught this happening today. check the link below to see the evidence I got on it
Great post and voted and resteemed you
https://steemit.com/freedom/@thehomesteadlife/proof-of-censorship-on-steemit
followed you to
My plan is to continue to follow Greg Mannarino and tone down my "friendly" name calling. That's the approach I was actually taking in most cases. Now I will do things as clean as they can possibly be done. I will continue to monitor the truth about him via my blogs. Thanks for the follow. Perhaps you can stop by his blog after I posted commentary in the future and you can tell me if what I am saying is "unacceptable" behavior. I am simply trying to point out what is actually happenig in the pricing of the options contracts he posts at his very own weblog.
https://www.traderschoice.net/money-page--stock-picks.html
I don't like social media hucksters who have a "fee for service" behind them like Greg Mannarino, unless they are truthful about what they are saying via social media. Then to each his own at that point. Greg Manarino is a bold faced liar. Fact!...that can no longer be proven as the proof was censored by the culprit. it won't take long to garner new evidence though. :-)
Fuck it, wtf......are you a pussy? Who gives a fuck if we get flagged. Flag the faggot back and make independent posts on the saucemans bs. I have been at it since the summer of 2013 when the sauceman told his subs to call their financial adviser, tell their adviser to get them 100% out of stocks and 100% into silver. Anyone who took the saucemans advice was totally wiped out. the sauceman is just as insane if not more than silver gold man.
I'm just a guppy here so I can flag him with the jolly roger and it won't do shit. I'm just glad he didn't flag this spew yet. Oh thank you, Greg....you won't regret not flagging me again. :-)
@joejustjoe Joe here is censorship for you. Steemit is set up so those with higher reputation and Steem power have the power to kick off low quality content. With that said, and I just sent a similar message to @traderglen I am asking for a truce with the both of you. Please stop trolling me because if you do not I will flag, and hence have removed every single thing you post. I can do that because of my reputation score and steem power. I am asking nicely only once. If you or traderglen troll me I will shut you both down. Or, we can all be friends. Up to you. This includes flagging for no reason....
@traderglen Joe @joejustjoe is not a p***y. He is smart enough to know that I have the power to shut down both of your channels. I do not wish or want to do that. I am asking as nicely as I can to the both of you please stop trolling me. I'm asking for a truce with the both of you. I will not flag or have removed any of your content if you simply stop trolling me. It is really a no brainer here. Please take me up on this because if you don't I promise to shut both of you down big time. Instead, let's be friends seriously. Despite all the negative things @traderglen or @joejustjoe have put out on me, the trolling, I am ok with it. Let's put it behind us. I have nothing against either of you or anyone. So please accept this truce. Let's be friends instead. Ok?
I just gave you a "legitimate" way to allow ALL of your viewers to trade along with you on every trade you post at your web blog. That wasn't "trolling" it was a solution to your quest to help everyone out. Help everyone...post your "price paid" on your trades. Or I will. Just that simple, buddy. I don't care about how much STEEM shit I earn here either btw. So you can flag every single spew I make if it makes you feel better.
Joe I will not flag you, @traderglen or anyone if they are fair. Let's be friends, seriously. It will be mutually beneficial to us both. Talk to traderglen I wrote to him as well. I want to put all this nonsense behind us and we can. I am sure I can learn from you guys, and you from me. It is just silly to troll, spew fake things, try to hurt each other. Makes no sense to me. I will gladly upvote your material, @traderglen as well. I would share your stuff, help you build your channels. We can help each other, all of us, and we should. If you were not trolling me why start off your post with Greg Bann****??
Is that you altering the posts I have made at your new blog you just posted? If you don't have the time to deal with teaching one or two of your followers "live" then trust me...you won't have the time to alter all of my spews. I spew alot! :-)
I did not alter anything Joe. I just flagged the blog you did on me with the Greg Bann***** Joe I want to be friends with you. I will help you grow your channel, upvote you, etc. I just want this nonsense to stop or believe me I will shut your channel down, I do not want to do that so don't make me. Friends ok?
@marketreport I am not trolling you at all. I have made observations that question your claims. Ask me if I care if you have "power" there is something called strength in numbers. Shutting down small channels will only expose you for the creep you are. Small channels can come together and shut you down too. It would not be the first time I had a channel shut down, if you think you are going to scare me with treats you are very naive . It´s just a social media channel, which shows me you actually care about your social media channel. You are all about collecting fiat dollars via social media. Steemit is a good revenue stream for you, your reply displays you will do anything to keep that stream of revenue flowing. You have to keep your reputation untarnished. Let me ask you this Greg. Do you hold a series 7? The youtube/steemit investing gurus are a joke.
just give me a heads up when you need me mate and I will do all I can to help you.. post a comment on any of my posts and i will be there. ; o)
I may have already started the dialogue that "needs to begin" at Greg's very own steemit blog as others have noticed the censorship and are beginning to ask "why?" I may have been a little premature about my opinions about the "ave Joe" wanting to see the truth...and nothing but the truth. :-) He'll likely still maintain a strong enough fan base to continually flag me though. We'll see.
That's true he may do. I get a bit to "focused" some times too when I see con artists at work but you are doing the right thing. Remember its greed that blinds these people, so they are asking for it in a lot of ways. If you have helped just one person then you have accomplished a great deal indeed.
Joe I will not flag you ever if you do not flag me or troll me. Please see my other comments.
Here are the "actual" prices for the SLV Sept expiry $14 contracts. You never did get a chance to "actually" buy the put side of the trade on Fri. Just pick a number...even if the only price paid for those SLV Sept $14 puts was .06. And those clowns bought after you "said" you did. You better be careful, Greg. You close out your trade and those two people who followed your advice on Fri are going to be "lost" without you. :-)
http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/options.asp?sid=2305869&symb=slv
Joe I ofter open one side of a trade naked, even though I suggest opening with a straddle. The reason for this is I am a full time trader who is in front of my platform the whole trading day. If I believe the position will move around more than I would like I will open a hedge and or straddle on the opposite side. I would hope that if another trader is following my work they would have an idea of what they are doing. I obviously cannot post every single move I make in managing a position however, I have written articles about it, briefs on it, and talked about it in my reports. I offer most of my work for free, how much more do you think I should do for free?
It isn't that difficult to update your pics. And the fact is that you told one of your viewers that those trades were still straddles as of Fri night after the close. Are you a serial bullshitter, Greg? You can help but bs, no matter how hard you try?
"My plan is to continue to follow Greg Mannarino"
Yes please do and thank you
why do you follow greg when he has been so wrong? I have followed Greg since 2013. In that time I can not get the sub base as greg. I was a stock market bull while Greg was a bear in 2013. People told me I was wrong Greg was right. Plus Greg was telling people back then to buy silver. I said it was not a good idea. At the 2015 highs after QE ended with all the low hanging fruit, Greg became a bull at the december 2015 highs. I was bearish in Gregs comments. Told him so too. Market went on to crash overt the next month. I also followed Greg in a paper account. I could not recreate the wins Greg was making. I realized Greg would take very small wins and big losses. His risk reward was messed up. His metric of being a winning trader was based on the numer or winning trades he had. Where 9 wining trades totalling 100 in wins was better to have if his 10th trade was a loss for 500-600 dollars. yes he might have won ore trades than he lost. But he was a losing trader money wise while I was following him. I would rather lose 9 trades and win 1, as long as my 9 losses were small compared to my 1 big win where I made more on 1 good win than 9 losses.
I don't track him for his picks but if you did view the initial Greg Bananarino "truth in disclosure" blog I posted I splained why his second foray into FB on last week's gapup was about as dumb as dumb can get. These new GLD and SLV trades are basically two trades where you have "zero" chance of being right (for the price he paid for those Sept SLV $14 puts) before he closes them out. So then he is basically buying just the call side and he did it on a gapup move. There's no reason to follow his trades. I'd probly leave him alone if he wasn't such a whiney little bugger. But now he wants war. I see he posted a new spew. Let's see if he even attempts to respond to cover his lies. I didn't give it a lissen yet. :-)
@joejustjoe what you did was tarnish his perfect track record and asked an uncomfortable question. it´s really all about control of the perfect track record so he can sell his ta books and now trading real time with him. It´s all about the money!
I will admit, I don't trade options, so all this is over my head. I do understand your point, trade not wise from cost basis.
All I'm looking is how good market calls someone makes. Yours was perfect for short term trade, hat off. I was actually wondering why you made it right there?
For his buy I did post a comment that right before resistance at 1260 (for gold) doesn't makes much sense to me, but I'm not experienced here anyway I'm just speculating. (and having fund with the charts) :-)
The buy side of the trade will "likely" work out if Greg doesn't crap out of his trade in 3 days like he always does. I'm surprised he is still holding after today's open actually. :-) But no, chasing a gapup move with a buy in the call contracts is usually not a great idea. Definitely not something a "professional" trader, as Greg claims to be, would do.
Joe my FB trade was profitable and if you followed it you would know that. And I see you are still bad mouthing me... Ok final warning STOP. Or I promise to have every one of your posts taken down. I do not want war, I am offering friendship. If you do not want it there will be no war. I will crush your channel. You want war? Bring it on. However, I am still offering friendship. Please take it.
Uhhhm, bs. We'll see how you do with the SLV trade. We both already no any $$$ that was thrown at those puts is now wasted. I'm just glad none of your viewrs stepped up to that trade. Only $150 in GDX $14 puts traded the entire day. Too funny. :-)
"why do you follow greg when he has been so wrong?"
I'm new here, this is my 6th day I think? I just decided to follow everyone who has anything to do with trading, markets etc, since this is my passion, hobby for life. I don't know him I didn't know about him before I joined here, so I don't know his track record. That's why I asked @joejustjoe to track him, so I can follow his track record through him. (yeah I'm lazy, if someone else is already doing it...) :-) Also I'm not professionally in the markets, just sh wannabe kind of thing :-)
Since you to are following markets I'm now following you also. Thanks for sharing Greg's history. I may soon un-follow him but, I want to watch him for a while first.
I look forward to hear from you want you think about the markets. As I said already, I'm no one to listen to. But I will mention this anyway. Looks like 17 year (general markets) cycle is due this year for top and 10 year cycle is due 2017 to 2018 so looks like we may have some kind of inflection point ahead.
Interesting times to watch the markets :-)
veleje yes please do follow my trades and marketreport. Make up your own mind as tens of thousands of people from all over the world already have with regard to my work. Let me know what you think. Greg
TY for the follow. However, I do not give out actionable investment advice. I will also go on to say, you will probably lose all of your money with in the first 90 days of trading trading real money. This is how it is, 90% of all traders lose 90% of their money in the first 90 days. Good luck on your journey.
Here is a video I made called "4 Questions everyone should ask before joining a trade room". Why would you follow a trader who can not show proof they actually trade their own calls for a profit. That´s like going to a person who says they are a heart surgeon but can not prove they have the required education to be a heart surgeon.
Oh, by beginner I meant I didn't mastered markets yet, not doing it professionally for a living. I have been in the markets for a while, it is my passion. I agree with everything you said, yes most will lose most of their money at start. Starting career with paper trading helps, but who has time and patience for it...
I'm not looking for investing advices any more. But I do value opinions from traders that know more than me. Personally I do not subscribe to any newsletters any more and I'm not member to any paid trading boiler room. If I will do it it will be on my own. I have a plan to do something (slowly) in the future. I'm learning Python programming. My plan sometime in the distant future is to put something together that would scrape financial data from the inet. Like screening companies based on fundamentals, maybe even have my own charts with some pattern screen. Depends how much programming I will learn :-) This is strictly hobby, but passionate project.
I posted this chart on Gregs blog, (once I figured how to do it). My point was, why going long right before resistance when gold was around 1,258. Got lucky. Gold indeed didn't make it over 1,260. Here is that chart from few days ago:
@traderglen (please see my other comments to you). I have been wrong many many times I admit that. I also say that I firmly believe that PM are great long term investments, not trades-( I happen to be holding calls on SLV and GLD right now and we shall see how it plays out. With this market, and you know this, there are bulls and bears, sometimes you get it right and sometimes you get it wrong. That is this business. I sincerely hope that you and I can come to a truce as I wrote to you just earlier today. I have nothing against you at all and I would hope that we can be friends. Also, I do not know everything by a long shot, and perhaps I could even learn a thing or two from you as a trader. I am always willing to learn something new. So please take me up on my truce offer, no more trolling, let's not flag each other for no reason, and really, why not be friends? I am all for it. Let me know. Greg.
I have nothing against you Greg. We probably have more in common than you realize. You take constructive criticism as an attack or trolling. I comment on how I see it. If you have ever posted over at stocktwits, you will get a lot of constructive criticism. At places like youtube or steemit you can build a cult like following where everyone will follow you blindly, no uncomfortable questions asked.One guy I disagree with but have respect for is brotherjohnf. The guy has been so wrong is not even funny. Yet he will never delete comments or call out another channel who made a constructive criticism comment on one of his videos. His only requirement was no profanity, otherwise every comment was allowed. You should take a page out of his book. When you try to manipulate or censor anyone who has a different opinion others take notice.
Are you currently of ever been in the past sponsored or have an affiliation with a metals dealer or penny stock miner? I know there are many on social media who are where they do not openly state their affiliation with a dealer or miner. They are getting paid to promote metals products on social media and their subs do not realize the person they are watching is getting paid to promote metals. That is a conflict of interest.
I have nothing against you Greg. I just think you are dangerous to the average man on the street. As you know, 90% of all people will fail in the markets. Even if they are right with direction their timing will be off which causes them to lose or poor trade management. If I was ever to open a trading service (which I have no plans to do) I would openly tell my subs most of them will lose their money. Even if I gave them great trades signals that I made money off, they will still lose. It´s just they way it is.
I was a metals bull leading into the 2011 highs, but leading into the top all the euphoria was just too clownish, it looked like a major top. By 2013 I was flagged so much for making comments and saying I believed metals were not a good buy because they were going much lower, my channel was shut down. In 2012 right before the elections, I made a video stating these points, I believed Obama was going to win, if he won all of his programs would be working their way into the system, which would ge viewed positive by the market, he is the first black President there is no way the government will let him fail in any capacity. I received a lot of flack for that one. Was called leftist, an idiot, facetious, and just about anything else you could imagine. Look at what happened, Obama left office with markets at all time highs. I understand the government will not let the markets go down. I believe a good portion of pension plans are invested in the markets. The government knows this. If the markets crash like 1929 style it would financially wipe out all of American retirees. The corrupt career politicians understand this. They will do everything they can to keep it going. Now we will see corrections, 20-30 maybe even 50% however, with an inverted pyramid of baby boomers retiring a 50% correction would seriously hurt them. I believe the PPT would be out in full force creating another V bottom, where in a few years all loses would be erased. The government can not afford for the baby boomers to be wiped out financially. This is why we could witness a very much higher market in the next 10-15 years. That´s why I do not believe you when you say the markets has to crash. It doesn´t, and when it does, it will be epic, but I believe it´s years off. https://www.tradingview.com/x/phuaddMT/
BTW, I was in the SLV long trade on Th and went for the $16 strike for expiry on the Fri after the 4th.
https://steemit.com/got/@joejustjoe/gallows-pole-for-silver
We are basically shooting for the same strike in essence. You paid about 1.90 for your Sept expiry $14 calls. As I'm "pretty sure" you know, SLV will have to trade to and through $16 for you to make anything on your trade. My trade is already up 40% and I always advise taking at least half off if the trade doubles. You will also see a longer term trade I placed in precious metals in GDX at my "why paper gold is better than physical gold" spew. I got into that the day before I issued my buy on SLV. I also have a longer term trade to July expiry on SLV. I don't need to hedge my bets. Instead of "promoting" me I would 'suggest" you just stop by and see what I'm doing so you won't have to hedge every trade any more. Those are all sucker bets for the reason I gave you at your blog. One side is ALWAYS a stone cold losing trade. And the entries you make to the "correct" side of the trade are "ill timed"...and that's putting it "nicely" :-)
For the record, I have never flagged any post anywhere. The questions I presented to you are fair questions. You really have no chocie but to admit that you do not provide full disclosure to your audience if you actually closed out the short side of you SLV trade. Or show me where you said you did prior to today. And I will apologize to you.
No apologies and it is again very simple. Stop writing articles making fun of my name etc, do not troll and we will be great friends. I hope you follow my trades which I post on my site for free and comment on their performance. If you do that fairly I will upvote and share your posts. If you troll, write unfairly negative things etc. we will not be friends and I will take the action I told you I would. I sincerely hope we can be friends.
For a trader you have thin skin, would think you could take some constructive criticism. You were the one making fun of Tacos and his Jewish accent. So it´s ok when you do it, but not ok for joe to call you bannarino or bannanaboy?
This is social media, you gotta get used to people having a different vantage point than you Greg. We are not trolling. Just have a different vantage point. if this is trolling to you. Well it´s time for you to grow up!
Yes. I will continue to monitor your trades as long as you refuse to disclose "true" pricing.
it's good to see someone speaking out about this. personally i haven't followed the guy you're talking about because he comes across as very sleazy and cheesy, so i'm not surprised to hear this. i just hope people aren't actually losing money on trades because of him.
Yes. That is always a concern with self proclaimed market gurus that come along. Some good news on that front. Greg "obviously" couldn't generate enough income selling his services via his previous methods. And that imo is why he moved the whole charade to steemit. So very few people were actually taking him up on his offer to pay him for advice. Even the trade he posted on SLV at his blog was not followed by a single person who viewed his videos or read his commentary. Both the GLD and SLV put option side of the straddle trades he posted traded 'zero" volume at the time he already had the trade up at his web blog. Five hours later there were STILL no trades in the SLV Sept expiry $14 puts. Then 1 trade at .06 (25 contracts) and somebody bot 1 contract at .06 before the day was through. So a total of just over $150 in volume traded on that particular put contract. No...people are not following him...thankfully. :-)
http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/options.asp?sid=2305869&symb=slv
This post will "likely" be flagged before the day is through. It is only 7:46 AM in the land of Greg Mannarino. By noon his time this entire blog will be gone, as I posted it at his blog earlier today and it will also be censored. :-)
whats your take on silver gold man? sgm is more insane than the sauceman.
SilverGoldenGayGuy is like everyone else except at least his longer term pov is close to being accrut. When it comes to short term trades he fux shit up just like everyone else. I was at his place at Utube for like 1 week before he banned me...and it started out by him complimenting the very first spew I made there. Which was basically my "physical is for sucka's" rant. Buy paper...paper everything...fuck luggin shit around. Give me paper, give me my 100% gain in a week...that's all I'm axin for. Am I axin for too much?
Your powers of observation serve you well
followed you
@joejustjoe Joe here is censorship for you. Steemit is set up so those with higher reputation and Steem power have the power to kick off low quality content. With that said, and I just sent a similar message to @traderglen I am asking for a truce with the both of you. Please stop trolling me because if you do not I will flag, and hence have removed every single thing you post. I can do that because of my reputation score and steem power. I am asking nicely only once. If you or traderglen troll me I will shut you both down. Or, we can all be friends. Up to you. This includes flagging for no reason.....
I'm going to see if you answer to the lies you are perpetrating first. Your viewers deserve an explanation of why you said you did something when in fact the trade wasn't even possible in all likelihood. Don't come here and "infect" my house, Greg. I speak only the truth here. Let's see if you are man enough to tell your viewers why you lied to them. I "might" leave you alone if you do that but I doubt it. I want "full disclosure" from you. Tell me why you can't post the "actual" price paid for your trades, Greg?
@joejustjoe asked good questions, backed by data. This is not trolling. If you decide to present your trades, others have right for honest questions. Flagging those kind of questions will do more harm than good to you. Your offer I see as: "I'm more powerful, I have higher rating, you stop question me or otherwise watch out!" This is how I see your offer and I don't like it, speaks volume about you.
Good questions? What questions were they? He trolled my name to begin with calling be Bananna something or other. I offer most of my work for free. How much more can I do? I cannot post every move I make in this market. I offer people a starting point, I tell them how to open the trade and the rest is up to them. Why is that so hard to understand?
Agree, no need for name calling. As for questions, some trades were not even traded?!?
Every position I post is an actual trade I am involved in. There are times when I do not open with a straddle because I trade full time. I can watch my initial position in real time to see if a straddle or hedge is needed. It is certainly complex.
I am really surprised they didn't get this one yet. You have people on your side Joe. Even if they aren't being vocal.
As a final update to this blog...the situation has been rectified and Greg Mannarino did come to the realization that it is best to NEVER censor anyone no matter what they say. If you are being attacked it is for a reason. If you message was completely sound it would be accepted universally. In Greg's case the steemit community actually helped with the decision making process. If nothing else it restores my faith that "collectively" we make the right decisions about things that really matter. I wante to update this as there may be people who wuold upvote. Place you money elsewhere where it can actually do some good.