Propagating Catalonia missinformation

in #catalonia7 years ago (edited)

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I can't even finish reading... first of all in any other place the "voters" or should I say the people that ILLEGALLY occupied and took control of public buildings and services would be thrown out WITH FORCE. BY THE ARMY. INTO MILITARY PRISON prbbly.

It was an actual takeover that the government, thinking about the poor catalan people, made a blind eye as their interest isn't to bully nor oppress.
The catalan government MADE NO REAL ATTEMPT to get the process legaly accepted (that wasn't their interest).
Did you know Michael Jackson and Donald Trump also voted on the referendum? of course, you don't. did you know it was taped as the same person went around EVERY SINGLE VOTING TABLE SHE HAD TIME TO GOT TO and casted her vote on each one? of course you don't.
This was not a referendum as it was 100% unconstitutional and corrupt from the ground up.

The catalans are a rich, smart and hard working community... also wrong... catalans want sex drugs and rock&roll at the moment. whatever their grandparents where, this generation isn't.

Catalonia is a thriving area of alot of blablablas in europe. that is correct. The money injected by the comunity in a VERY IMPORTANT STRATEGIC POSITION made it what it is now. so lets stop going around saying they are great and did everything.

They were the one of the most autonomous region IN THE WORLD. want to know some things they used their power for? brainwashing their citzens... I mean... open their "history" books... they discovered everything from america to the internet (the internet part is a joke, the america part is not).

It was proven they gave fake images of the joke of a referendum, fake declarations, etc.
There was never an actual and factual plan presented for catalonia exiting (because that wasn't the plan). but simple math shows they would regret their decision in less than a year.

The government of catalonia (the governing cabal) has been, over the past 25 years leaching from 3-8% of EVERY SINGLE EURO used in developing the region, AND, magically all this pressure for independence came EXACTLY, PRECISELY, PERFECTLY TIMED, with the state starting the investigations, and, coincidence.... started exactly by the ones beeing investigated...

catalan people are priveledged, the public services priveledge them.... every bad job is getting done by the indian/pakistani... every 24/7 is owned by chinese as catalan people in general want to live the fairy tail, not work 12h a day. (not saying they are lazy at all... just as every single european)

They speak of opression, the only opression I see here in Barcelona is from these lunatics onto everyone else. The catalan people complained and complained of how opressed they are and the central government kept giving more leach.
The result?

  • about 2.000-6.000M directly into the governing families pockets.

  • Opression of spanish language and educational system

  • The joke of their educational system (which is great cause the kids can more easily learn new languages later [LUL?])

  • Corporations as CIRE:

    • (founded by the governing families), which makes slaves out of inmates for 50 freaking cents a day (the lowest you can make is a round 0 (that is slavery according to human rights act?????);
    • Gets work for ex inmates for 400€ a month, and all you can do is stfu
    • I saw the sheet of the public records of one of these inmatesthat made between 0,50c to 1€ a shift working 4h - 7:30h shifts. The papers say they pay minimun wage (where does the money go?)
  • There are many others used only to hide the leached money from the central government and the EU

*I saw this kind of secession once, in Czechoslovakia were the minority was able to get independence. the only peaceful separation of states ever.. and unconstitutional (or else they were opressed)

this rant has only touched on the waters surface tension as the story runs way deeper and involves way too many big and small catalonian politicians.

Always remember this:

THE MEDIA HAS NO INTEREST IN INFORMING YOU, ONLY IN ENTERTAINING YOU.

THE MEDIA WILL NOT BE UNBIASED AS THAT BRINGS LESS VIEWERS.

POLITICIANS LIE.

NO MEDIA IS UNBIASED. EVERYONE HAS IT'S OPINION AND VALUES

POWER STRUGGLES ARE ALWAYS MORE COMPLEX THAN TABU WORDS AS "OPRESSION"

DON'T TAKE A SINGLE ARTICLE FOR GRANTED UNTILL YOU YOURSELF CAN COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION

LISTEN, STUDY, RESEARCH AND ONLY THEN. ONLY AT THAT MOMENT CAN ANYONE SAY I THINK, WITHOUT IT BEING A GUESS OR A BIASED REASONING

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If people from a country vote 90% in one direction that could be the direction!
After the first world war a lot of country vote for independence.Was legal no?
I'm neutral because I do not live there but is a big % +90%.

But it is not simply a matter of that, first of all you must have legitimacy, or in any case you must have the strength to force an independence, even if it is illegal.

90% vote for independence, but the referendum participation was 43%, that means that more than half of the population, 57% of Catalans did not even attend the referendum.

The Austrian Anschluss on behalf of Hitler had a 99.73% approval, and it was found that the result was not manipulated, is it then legal?

The same happens with the annexation of Crimea by Russia, which violates the Ukrainian constitution, and the results are also very reliable.

To declare independence you must have a constitutional legal framework, or at least the strength of most people who really want to become independent.

and you also need other countries to legitimize the state. and again 43% voted michael jackson voted... that alone shows alot.... when they made the other ilegal referendum the NO side basically didnt care and still won, and now all of the sudden its a whooping 90%.

i dont understand what you are saying

I say vote should be decisive, If 90% from people want to live in a independent country.

dude
get this straight... there was no vote. a bunch of lunatics TOOK CONTROL OF PUBLIC BUILDINGS and made this hoax which was proven beyond doubt to have been manipulated and corrupt from the ground up...
If you want to do anything in any country it has to be legal, or it is secession which grants you 30 years in jail here

Ok i told you what i read, you know well situation because you live there.
I only read the newspaper about Catalunia.

that was the problem.... media took false information without even verifying.... check that, you will find news outlets admiting they got played

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The Catalonian cause is well known in Europe (Dutch here) and I sympathize to some extent with them as there is some historic reasoning to be made for independence. But so it is for many other places too.

I don't know the finer details like you, but I do believe there is more to the story than just 'poor catelans want to be free'. Your story here is the first different tale I have heard about this, other than mainstream media stuff.

I would be curious to know what political leanings those who wish Catelan succession have? Are they left or right wing?

there is no historic reasoning, that would be saying that since I am black I am owed for what my ancestors suffered. catalan history shows they basically NEVER were independent. so according to history they should be a vassal state, not an autonomous region...
those in power have no real political leanings. they are what the masses want and then do whatever THEY want.
The masses are, in my opinion, far far left. but again... in my opinion the only differences between right and left are minimal... except when campaigning. in the end being left wing or right wing makes one an hypocrite so my view on the subject might be pretty biased

espero que Rajoy ponga en cintura a Puigdemont y sus lacayos, ellos son un partido-masa. Son un partido con un proyecto de tomar el poder, nada más no les importa el pueblo Catalan

por supuesto k no les importa un carajo... se iban a jodernos a todos si saliamos de españa.... Al publo tonto les encanta porque "han hecho" grandes obras en barcelona... que por supuesto eran para lavar e roubar mas... per no imaginas el fanatismo que va por las calles.... lavado de cerebro incluso a xavalines que ni pelos tienen aún... las manifestaciones.... parecia el cole...
gracias por el soporte y perdona mi castellano xD

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