I'm Going To Tell You How To Grow Steem

in busy •  8 months ago  (edited)

And you will likely continue to ignore me.

This post is directed at Whales, Orcas, Witnesses, Dolphins, @ned, SteemIt Inc. and Natural Leaders in the Community.

Modifying most human behavior is easy. There are outliers who will not fit into this, but mostly it works.

It is just this simple...

Reward behavior you want to see repeated.

Ignore or Punish behavior you want to stem or remove.

That's it.

But let me put it in Steem terms for you.

In the last week, I've tried to do exactly this...

Five days ago I made a post about a person who is a liar and a plagiarist. Behavior most of us would agree is bad.
https://steemit.com/steem/@whatsup/i-like-to-preach-about-flagging-sometimes

I suggested people go and flag the post. Which would be an example of Punishing Bad Behavior because you want it to stop.

What happened? Not much.. Some went and flagged it, but no one with significant stake. Edit... Steemcleaners did go back and flag it to zero... nice job! @steemcleaners

If the community would have reacted, others would say to themselves... I don't want to have that happen, that is expensive and embarrassing. The behavior begins to curb it's self.

The change happens quickly! It is easy.. Anyone with experience in Training, Coaching, Managing, Parenting will understand that this is a known method of getting what you want from other people.

So we rewarded bad behavior with a large payout. The behavior will like not change and will be emulated by others who see this success.

It is Reverse Incentive.

Three days ago I posted about a user who spent Fiat Money and bought Steem to become a Dolphin. That is nearly perfect behavior and what we want to see more of, so I asked you all to reward him. Some did, but most did not.

https://steemit.com/busy/@whatsup/congratulations-to-a-new-dolphin-and-my-advice-to-waphilip

Others see this and think, why hold or power up, no one cares.

However, if that post of his would have been well rewarded and held up as a positive example others would see that and they would either repeat the behavior or wish that they could.

If we continued to support him for holding and powering up, others would go... Ohhhh... I want to be treated like that. I am going to emulate that behavior.

You can take the same example and apply it to content..

No matter what type of content you like reward that heavily and you will see more of it.

If there is a type of content you dislike.. Flag it. You will see less of that behavior.

People are also highly motivated by feeling included in something that is cool and exclusive, we could build that culture.

Most people respond to praise over punishment.

Anyway, you guys can continue to talk about "Code Changes" While ignoring the site, the end users, and everything else.

Or you can engage or pay others to engage on your behalf.

We have what we currently have for no other reason than that is what we are rewarding and ignoring.

It just really is that simple.

If you want to accuse me of manipulation ask yourself why you have an annual review with your supervisor when she tells you want she wants from you and if you do it, she pays you more...

This is what having a monetized site is all about.

Now continue to ignore me.

:)

@whatsup

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I was extremely grateful for the exposure regardless of the post payout!

That being said, all of the engagement and upvotes definitely motivated to contribute to the community and try and emulate a good example of a dolphin! Thanks again!

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Welcome to dolphinhood @waphilip! I did the same thing. I took matters into my own hands and bought a bunch of Steem. Not only is it an investment in the platform which I believe we need more of, but an investment in Myself. I felt as though I would be more invested and take it a bit more seriously if I had something to actually lose. Ya know? So congrats and thanks for helping to make Steemit a better place. I’ll be following ya and seeing what you can do thanks to the constant brilliance of @whatsup! 😜

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Thank you thank you! I followed you back! Great to be a part of the stake holders club!

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Thx brother. Also love that your profile pic is Miles!

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Already know we’re gonna vibe! Miles is the 🐐! Can’t wait for the movie come Christmas!

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Yeah and it probably did impact a few users, it just would have been neat to see it get a huge response from stakeholders....

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I would’ve probably lost it if all of the stake holders upvoted haha

But you’re right, we need to continue your example and use positive and negative reinforcement to our benefit!

Edit* I am freaking out because some huge bands just blessed my post! Thank you so much!

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Nice! I'm going to pump this post up some too, so... maybe it will continue.

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Smart move. Thank you for believing in the platform. Over at Canna Curate we also believe.

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Woah I didn’t even know there was a community like this! Love it 😤

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Hell yeah there is! haha. We started out small, but now we are a force to rekon with. Anybody and everyone is welcome.

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Welcome followed!

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Great thing to do indeed!! And I can imagine the motivation! :-)
I am powering up as often as I can too, via Fiat now and then, and I just set up my witness node, to invest into the Steem community too! (Votes are welcome and appreciated btw ;-) )
I believe in the Steem platform and its community!

@whatsup: I’ve read your post, I’ve reread it. I understood it, and I will not ignore it, but bring it into practice! Thank you very much for writing it!

@whatsup,
At this price I told my father to buy STEEM! Hope he will do! I know it's not much, but if we all think like that, yeah STEEM will boost before SMT hits the ground!

Cheers~

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Nice! I hope your Dad grabs some Steem.

Honestly I've seen a pile of toxic people and organizations.

@Canna-curate has done an excellent job of keeping things together.

Others have done more to be elitist cliques and hella judgemental.

These reasons have shut many people down from being here. And the hardfork? The RC?

I'm just lucky enough to have enough resource credits to have fun and play.

Never know what will happen. In the future. But with the amount of people leaving?

Oh I hit a good voting round... Let's just say the judgements about the "quality" of post I paid money for?

Well let's just say the offended rule here.

Personally I've cut back on being here. And the amount of effort I'm putting here.

Gone is the promoting and recruitment. Also the meet-ups for portland.

I still log some stuff and just did a 100 sp delegation for the information wars group.

So... I'm still here. But it's like a ghost town.

However voting rounds are open!

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It's amazing what the small fish can accomplish when we ban together. Instead of sitting around and waiting for shit to happen, we take matters into our own hands and make it happen. As far as quality content, we need to encourage people to just come here and have fun. If you can write a great post or article, cool. But if you just want to tell people about your day, or just post a pic with a caption, then hell yeah. Nobody is better then anybody here, we are all equals.

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I'll definitely blaze to that! It's all original here baby! Celebrate your individuality!

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The traffic is lower for sure.

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Yeah I know! Had a few friends quit over the drama with elamental and kennyskitchen over cowpocylapse.

And just the elitism and "quality" demands really put people off and down. The focus being on individuals and inclusion is better than even free beer. Though free beer does help.

And yeah I got burned by a few actual real friends over votes and popularity? Sweet! I didn't have to find out the hard way. I'm definitely going places. And here seems to just have soured for me recently.

But in all? If some changes were made? I think people would come back.

Canna-curate is the perfect example of how to be inclusive and reward original content.

Not everything has to be "high quality content" can't we inspire and reward people for trying?

I'm doing what you preach, because it seems right to me, but we need many more to do the same and not just try to get a quick buck for themselves. Steem has massive potential, but could totally crash if we carry on like this. I hope enough can see the benefits in steering users to the better path.

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Indeed, the potential is definitely there, but we need to keep it clean, as you say, steer users to the better path.
I commit to that!

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I agree and I see that many of us early adopters are getting burnt out doing the right things, and feeling like it isn't paying off. Because there just aren't enough of us.

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you preach

Wait a second...let me see if I have this right.

You want people to reward the posts/users that they like...and not reward the posts/users that they don’t like?

This is a revolutionary concept!

But do you think it will work with social media? Isn’t behavior on social media just way too random and complicated to figure out? How are you so sure that antecedents and consequences still apply to human behavior in the interwebz? That incentives...you know...like...incentivize and stuff?

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I agree with you bro

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This whole thing reminds me of a story I heard once.

A semi-truck was transporting a large dumptruck when it became lodged under a bridge due to the height of the load.

Engineers, Hwy workers gathered to determine the best way to move the truck without doing further damage to the truck. They were calculating the strength of the bridge, the weight of the vehicles, etc.

A young boy happens along the scene and says... Why don't you let the air out of the tires on the dump truck.

I don't know if it is a true story or not...

Probably it's a question of lacking time invest.
Many use autovoting services and vote delegations nowadays, so the overall consumption of content has considerably decreased. I notice that when i publish videos - a year ago i had much more views on them.

So people have stopped to really consume content, which partly results in a distorted content evaluation you perfectly presented her.

Is it in the nature of things, a mirror of today's rushing and running society?

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The site is ignored in my opinion because most of our stakeholders are not Leaders who understand human motivation.

They are developers, miners and traders who have extensive knowledge in valuable niche fields, but they are clearly not motivators or business people for the most part.

There is a lack of understanding that People control money. Motivate people and their dollars come with them. It's Business 101.

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Yeah, you're touching another important point: there's always been a clear focus on investment and development. User experience, UI, content structure, content quality, curation and all that stuff has always been secondary - including the community of average internet users. In the end these are the ones who keep this place alive (and would ensure mass adoption ).

I believe that there needs to be a paradigm shift in management in order to ensure a healthy retention of human beings. Otherwise it'd be hard to seriously call this place a social blockchain...

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Yeah, there needs to be a shift, but they could apply the same concept to development projects.

Applications want eyes and users. If Steem wants to attract application developers, a healthy, happy user base is a huge selling point.

I know I sound arrogant, but I totally don't think they get the idea that the value is in the traffic and the endusers. I don't think they get the business case at all.

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I don't think you sound arrogant at all, you just struck a nerve and talk straight. That's what many - including myself - appreciate.

50K active users are not attractive or relevant in terms of business to any business. If we seriously aim for mainstream adoption, then we need a different approach. Retention doesn't require magic, but a product that attracts everybody.

I'm planning to voice those ideas at Steemfest and hope to enter some constructive debate.

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You are 100% correct. They are niche people. We want them. But they don't understand the bigger vision and the bigger market when it comes to content and advertising and how they should work together. It's all just a bunch of "Where is my ROI?" focus from them right now. What Crypto that goes up and down in cost is an extremely small niche field of humans that are interested in that. There is a way bigger market to tap into.

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Yes, I wonder if any of them consider "Who is our Target Audience" and how do we motivate them.

The "Call to Action" should be buy Steem. To those who can't buy Steem, they would try to earn and hold Steem.

This really isn't hard.

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Yeah. Content creators are what can start a true movement. 1 content creator can move millions of people.

My little small YouTube stuff made a movement of 654,000,000 views. And that is just from 1 person (me) doing leverage and focusing on 1 niche.

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I did a longer video today talking about how you would be able to align everyone's best interest at heart. Content Creators/Stake Holders/Advertisers.

https://steemit.com/steem/@phoneinf/how-to-make-steem-blockchain-into-a-success-the-new-google-solution-by-nonameslefttouse

And it was from reading @nonameslefttouse ideas. First putting content creators first. Advertisers can have ad slots inside Steem posts. At the moment Advertisers and Content creators are competing side-by-side. Which is not how it should be. Content creators picking ads they want to promote would be able to make them earn forever from a post being created. Long term passive daily income.

In this way it's win-win on all sides. And it creates more transparency. It makes so every single piece of content can generate passive income from clicks on advertisements. Google has proven this system works and is ideal. It's mainstream friendly. Billion dollar industry. The Google of Crypto.

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Content Creators, but also Application developers are going to be attracted to a blockchain with a community of potential users.

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@whatsup The only problem with your suggestion is it works down the food chain and not upwards.
Whales and orcas can flag lower accounts down to discourage bad behaviour
Who will flag the whales?
I won't even name the silly ones cause they will probably start flagging me just to "exercise the right of their stake" smh

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You are correct about that. The whales would have to police each other and as we both know that isn't happening.

I'm not sure I follow this 100%. Downvoting someone should not be up to people who got the most Steem. What makes them better people? They invested more or joined Steemit earlier? If someone should get punished it should be a group thing were everyone votes. And I would top off the maximum power one account can have in this voting. Once the group vote reaches a final threshhold, the account would get punished.

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No one is suggesting they are better people they are the most invested people which means they have the most to win or lose from the value of Steem.

However, there is no reason that many minnows and redfish shouldn't also be able to weigh in with the entire weight of their stake.

whoa i love this and thank goodness i went and did the exact things you asked! to blow or not to blow ... it all makes sense ...

grasshopper eagle goes to flag ...

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haha you can never tell the blow story.

Well this shines new light on the flagging system from a differen perspective. Thanks for opnening my eyes. Definetly going to flag more now.

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It is our only tool for handling abuse, it was designed to keep the reward pool safe.

Here's another perspective on this: I spent 10-years gigging as a pro musician in the 90's and eventually the audience gets sick of you no matter how good one might be. It's the same here for the most part. I see that people buy their exposure here but most of the feedback is fake or trivial over the long run.
There are some really interesting and talented people here so it's not a complete washout but if one is attempting to monetize human thought via social media then one should expect tons of crap! Hey, how much literal crap do humans produce every day? Any Davo's genius' have the low down on that stat? Nevertheless, there is a whole shitload of mindcrap and as A.I. takes over it wouldn't be the worst idea to monetize it. But I get that's a tough sell.
'Fixing Steemit'? Not going to happen as it functions as intended, IMO...And, yes, there are pros and cons to that.

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Sure lot's of shit is there, we will always have it... but we can also shape the the future and control who gets the rewards and where they go.

The whole site is based on incentivization, so what you're proposing should be common sense.

I think a lot of smaller accounts are afraid of being flagged. Maybe the middle-sized accounts are feeling the same, as they can actually be hurt by being added to a flagging bot list (or something).

It's hard to predict why people do (or don't do) what they do. Being incentivized is a serious game-changer, but is SteemIt doing it right? I'm not sure. Perhaps there's a more effective way that doesn't inspire self-voting, bots, spamming, and plagiarism.

I guess SteemIt is still technically in beta, so we should still be figuring it out and calibrating. I really don't know lol.

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Many people make valid points about flagging, but my theory is that if Minnows flagged the minnows, people would be trained by the time they had much stake.

And yeah, I agree it is hard to predict, but a management team with the Authority to makes changes could make them quickly, I know this, because it is what I do. I evaluate companies, talk to employers and customers and advise them on how to change the culture.

That is exactly what the content in this post was about, with a big dose of humor. I did not want in any way want to piss off the powers to be, afraid of any retribution. The post was about rewarding good content. I thought the post was of high quality and also pointing out a discrepency at the core of up-voting content.
@whatsup, I would be thrilled if you could just a few minutes of your time to read this post and give me a little bit of feedback. I was looking for some feedback from someone, anyone, but post has no traction at all. I would like to know if I am barking up the wrong tree tree.

https://steemit.com/steemit/@thebigsweed/steemit-upvoting-confusion

Greed, more pointedly the human EGO is the sole point of contention in our world. This is the thing that rules most actions and causes more strife. By having a monetized platform we automatically engage the greed mentality which has been espoused by most cultures. It will take a fundamental change in the way the payout model works to change the habits of people who are entrenched in their own EGOs. All we have to do is look around us at the world and we can see the people emulate those that have proven successful, regardless of the means with which they achieved that success. This leads to the rampant abuses of the systems and the constant gamification of every platform.

The code is supposed to be the law!
Well If the code REALLY is law,

THEN CHANGE THE CODE!

I has pretty similar idea when I was writing about people not resteeming yet constantly complaining about not seeing enough good quality content. Not sure they actually know that they share a fraction of the reward when resteeming, if I remember correctly...

Excellent commonsense advice that we tend to overlook a lot. Thanks for this post @whatsup :)

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Haha I just went and checked out that post that you flagged. It looks like that account gor slapped down pretty hard lol.

I don't flag often but that type of thing is certainly worth dropping one.

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lol, yeah and they spent a lot of money on bots, so there is also a huge loss for them. Which is exactly what we should go for.

On the one hand I fully agree with you (I usually do), but on the other I don't think it's really because they are ignoring you - it's more because that stuff is just not their gig - they are code geeks not bloggers!

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Agreed, but by not being focused on the actions of the community and understanding what types of behaviors are rewarded, they are effectively ignoring the site, the community and hence the result is no one knows what is expected, what will be rewarded or how to influence.

It's terrible and the cost on confused participants is obvious.

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I was just having a laugh at the bogus account that got flagged

https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@maria99/about-myself

"Today I introduce myself that my name is Maria belongs from USA. I m new in steemit . This is my blog, so I've to mention something approximately myself"

LOL

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oi!
I spent hours coming up with that!
lmao

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Right?? haha, now you see why I preach about flags.

It wasn't even a good attempt.

I agree with what you are saying @whatsup

hi @whatsup

Great choice of topic.

I love the way you put it in words. "Reward behavior you want to see repeated." -> you just nailed it.

Im doing quite well myself with building engagement and I found your post very valuable.

If there is a type of content you dislike.. Flag it.

That is risky advise. I would say: ignore and mute whatever you don't like. DO NOT FLAG any post if you don't have powerful friends and you're not ready to finish your adventure here on Steemit.

Again: interesting post. I will follow you closely. Upvoted.

Yours,
Piotr

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Resteemed as well @whatsup :)

wow till now i had no clue about @waphilip existence, maybe due to the bad interface that makes hard the whole searching progress, maybe because i should have spent more time searching i dunno.

What i know though is that all people like interaction. If we follow someone we at least sometime in a week read at least one of their posts and make a great comment. I know it can be hard and not anyone has the same amount of time to "spent" but wouldn't we wanted the same?

i used to (once again when i had a lot of free time) to go over to the introduce tag and search for new actual promising users and not only welcome them but supporting them with guidance and upvotes.

What i noticed was that by that way 8/10 of them remained till now in the platform and 1 of them bought some steem and became a dolphin himself! Not only those people share the same mindset as me, i earned some royal followers as well as these people did the exact same thing i did for them to new users!

It's all a chain. If we chose to give bad experiences and always make a drama out of everything then that's what everyone will do. If we try for the best of the platform and for our community then we gonna be on right path

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Interesting thoughts. Yeah, the site needs engagements. I understand AI is cool and all, and I am not opposed to some bots, but I wonder if some have lost touch with the concept that bots don't require a site to send money around

Well said. I think that code changes and all of these reward pool changes are just trying to stir the pot further without addressing the underlying issues. Bad content, plagiarism and all kinds of useless bots run rampant here. I don't personally flag anything because if I think that the post deserves a flag I just don't read it but I suppose I should start to flag more. I don't want to seem petty however so I am trying to think of how I can find a balance between a useful flag and someone just being a jerk. I've had one of my posts flagged in the past and I was confused because there was nothing offensive about it, it was original content, so that kind of left me with a bad taste about the process.

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If we normalized flagging it wouldn't be as big of a deal. It is a big deal right now because everyone treats it like it is a big deal.

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Anyone with experience in Training, Coaching, Managing, Parenting will understand that this is a known method of getting what you want from other people.

This is a false comparison though. If it was the same users we keep flagging, they will either change behaviour to be good, or disappear, much like your analogy.

But we're not doing that. We're flagging new users every time. We face this in SteemSTEM every day. People from Indonesia don't scour the platform taking note of how many of their plagiarising kin are getting flagged and learn a lesson from it. They don't have time for that, they want money.

They sign up, they plagiarise, they get caught. Then they make a new account and act smarter, and intelligent plagiarising evolves over time (as we have been observing). OR, the new users are oblivious to such things and keep committing the same basic crimes.

Only when every person on earth is actively using the platform can we expect the analogy to play out, thus, something more needs to be done than simply positive reinforcement.

One idea is to simply let it happen, at least to some degree, while creating enough incentive to focus only on legit content. I wrote a comment on Facebook 200 people liked in a few hours and I got 3 chat bots add me in the same period. They're ubiquitous there but largely ignored.

More specifically, one concept I had a while back that went ignored was to incentivise whales to work with curation teams rather than direct-to-upvote bots.

Offer a premium, larger vote on top of the curation team's trail, for a weekly sum, but only content that passes the manually curated guidelines will get those rewards. If one doesn't pass, they have 6 more days to figure it out and correct themselves to the guidelines.

This way we:

  • Cut off the incentive for a quick buck through blind promotional services
  • Give whales a reason to do honest good that everyone approves of while still getting a good ROI
  • cut the air from shit while pumping oxygen into good content.

If we can grow curation teams beyond SteemSTEM and OCD, and grow smaller niche teams that support music and arts, photography, travel or whatever, this place wouldd be a damn sight better, and it doesn't even require some overhauling of hardforks, just a change in where one throws their money.

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Sure as I mentioned there are some it will not work with, there are always outliers and rebels.

Right up front I said.. it will not work for everyone.

These people ly and steal money, because are already allowing it to happen. I don't think we can or should try to catch every one of them, but we absolutely should make it hard.

I don't know if other stakeholders want to fund the scammers and Haejin, but I am about done having my stake devalued.

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Ah yeah I must missed that. I'm a lazy reader lately. But yeah the motion stands. To make it hard, we gotta use a stockpile of weapons against them. Positive reinforcement, negative, punishment and extinction, among other things. I really feel if curation efforts had more emphasis, this would be so much easier

Just a thanks for your support in my current 'engagement' and it's not one of a romantic nature, that's for sure!
lol

Steemit is nothing of what the creators believe it is. Since I found about it, is just going down in oblivion. Just another platform some will talk about in a few years. Nobody outside Steemit cares about it. My two cents.

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That could be true. There are many tokens that will see that fate.

In my experience, people are always going to find a way to be arseholes. If you deal with this problem another more creative one will arise somewhere else. It's kind of similar to the game whack-a-mole, and it isn't a steem thing - it's a people thing.

I wonder if human innovation is really fuelled by advances in security. Close up one loophole and those intent on finding another will evolve into smarter beings and come up with a better way of getting what they want.

So I agree with you. Changes to the code aren't likely to help in the long run. The community here itself will have to step up and deal with things. If would-be-pisstakers knew that pisstaking wouldn't be tolerated, then they'd stop taking the piss.

Hi @whatsup,

As always your post got my attention and I want to say that I agree with everything you wrote here. I am not flagging and reading this opened my mind for sure!

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Hey Lady, Thank you for very much.

That's right. It's true. I had not seen it from that perspective. Sometimes because we don't want to hurt people, we don't point out the mistakes and let them pass, not knowing that this causes them to continue with the same behavior, and what's worse, that there are others who emulate their behavior. I think we sin rather than good and generous, and others may take advantage or see us look foolish. I will take your advice! Thank you.

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Yeah, one of my pet peeves is how hard everyone tries not to hurt anyone's feelings, so people do not get valuable feedback which they need.

Strange. The Maria99 one was flagged to $0 and hidden due to low ratings. This looks like a success and there were dozens of comments engaging in it.

Then, @waphilip had the post upvoted well over $10 which I haven't been able to do in quite a while! ;)

I get busy and miss posts additionally because I follow/support over 150 people. But I am not ignoring you I promise!

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Hmm, maybe the response was there but slower. I am talking to large stakeholder here! I get great engagement from the general engaged community.

yep i agree. i think in an ecosystem like this what we see is that it's difficult to get enough people on a similar page to make actions. most of us are usually the ones who go our own way. but i agree with your premise--- that is how it works! the culture of rewarding powering up!

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Yes and it can even be applied to applications. Like a specific app? Use it, hold it up, tell others... etc.

Very true. Sadly most people are too busy bickering about trivial things to care. Thanks for sharing this. Hopefully people read it before steemfest .

The majority of people will take the path of least resistance in terms of life so if they come up against a lot of resistance for the method they are using they will most likely change their behavior. I totally agree with your first statement.

Reward behavior you want to see repeated.
Ignore or Punish behavior you want to stem or remove.

However the way you phrased the next part of your post worries me.

If there is a type of content you dislike.. Flag it. You will see less of that behavior.

If the content is bad or harmful to the site by all means flag it. But in my opinion it shouldn't be because you dislike it. You don't need to like it. Not everybody will like or enjoy the same type of content but that doesn't make it bad or not worth it's share of the reward pool. I vote for what i like and what i find valuable to the community but i have only flaggged when there was worthless content being pushed onto the trending page and damaging the steemit reputation.

Anything which I don't like doesn't bother me. We all have different view and opinions so i just let it pass me by. I want to see a better community here and people like waphilip are the ones who we need to see more of. I did go to his post from your last one to see what he was all about and someday I hope to make dolphin status myself. Both through investment and natural growth. I would love to see more of the larger accounts being active around here as they should be leading by example for the people who hope to emulate them at some point.

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Yeah, you are right, I totally should have worded that better. I agree with you. I should have said, content that you think is harmful.

However, it is okay if some things get downvoted for bad reasons, things also get upvoted for bad reasons, it is just the wisdom of the crowd.

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Look, no system is perfect and there will always be differences of opinion when personal views and money are involved. We can only hope that as we move forward that the community will create it's own best practices and that leaders like yourself will push things in a better direction.

We aren't going to get much help from the top levels so it's up to us as the people involved to make the difference.

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I've been doing just that for 2.5 years and so have a lot of others. It isn't enough, and we grow weary.

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So what you really need are recruits. People who will buy into your vision and are willing to work towards a common goal. If every one of those people thay were on your side had ten more fighting with them it would make things a lot easier.

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Definitely great examples of what to do and not to do. It is great that we incentivize users committed to adding vue while punishing those who’s behavior reduce the long term value of the ecosystem. I also think and continue to be adamant on the need to teach new users how to properly engage; leading by example is the best way to do so. I enjoy the engagement on your posts as many provide clear perspectives on their thoughts of behavior around the community but the question is how can we push to educate and get better reach to those still blinded by what is right or wrong. Yeah, it may lead to the everlasting debate of why a post that is relevant and valuable to the community does not grt trending but I believe that is also up to us and not only the author. I followed @waphilip because of your posts and am grateful you featured it as otherwise I would have not seen his content or story. This is what most needs to be highlighted to get more interest in growing and not just tagging along for the ride...

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It's been a fun ride.

Uptil now I don't understand why you kicked me out of steemspeak, I guess the word joke is not in your dictionary, I can't explain why you kicked me...

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I'm pretty sure I am not the one who kicked you.

Bravo!!! This great honestly i love this though I am new here but i totally understand the language your are speaking if we start letting people understand their mistakes and i think it will be of a great idea for steemit community. Thumbs up sir

We are not dogs on this platform and have a dictator to tell us what is good or bad. ;)

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We are not dogs, but there is a financial incentive the entire reason to create financial incentives is to produce a certain set of results.

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I don't agree but respect your point of view.

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And I respect disagreement. Feel free to explain more of what you mean. I am interested in various view points.

Oh and by the way, I also respect your honesty.

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I believe people are free to try different thing without the need to reprimand. A community will decide the hidden rules but don't need to force them with flag war or bad comments.

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Oh do you think they should be free to steal someone else's photo and a story from somewhere else and use the bots to reward themselves $300 and extract that from the economy?

I'm fine with the site working like that, just a free for all random place, but I want my money out. :)

The site is meant to function like the Wisdom of the Crowd. Five people upvote something, most ignore it, five people flag it. At the end of the week the OP gets his/her money in there wallet.

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It is a free market and the crowd decides the rules that they want to see on their ecosystem. It is like everyone can be a sheriff or bandit!

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This is true, but it doesn't work well if no one is curating

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I agree with what you are saying

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Deliberate and prolific, your point is clear and Steem MUST grow

I am not asking to upvote my post just visit and read it whether it is similar to your post(please dont flag as i am not asking to upvote.

https://steemit.com/writing/@mnishh/struggling-in-a-situation-must-read-03f3d30e2adda

Only issue is, no one has the authority to overrule free speech. If you want to punish the threads that don't suit you (and you encourage others to do so) you are not much better than the person you are punishing. Some people might upvote bad posts because that's their preference.

If you put life into perspective, not everything you think is important is.

I say if the post doesn't violate the site/ other rules, we shouldn't create a mob mentality against it to further what we perceive as good.

Disclaimer: take what I said with a grain of salt, I'm less intelligent than others on here (but saying this shows I'm at a higher level of wisdom).

so helpful. thanks for this! :)

That is great lad that plagiarist must be punish and also all of them they must not get the benefits of people others effort

thank you

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its a good reflexion and is truth the change is start whit us. and delete every post inapropiated. I will not ignorated