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RE: How To Actually Bring More Business Owners To Steem[it]

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I've said for nearly a year, since you folks started buying votes, these paid programming style posts here on the trending page should be the ads inside posts that contain actual content.

You're up here on the trending page. To get here you paid people to look away, then you wonder why nobody is looking. You're wondering why accounts with high SP don't vote, while paying them to not vote. It's easy to see how this is all kind of pointless.

Even @joeparys here, talking up his approach and thinking it's wise to sell the votes doesn't really know what he's doing. The moment everyone starts purchasing votes to reach the top slots for this so called "visibility" (paying people to look away), is the exact moment the business model falls in on itself. Just image if every ten seconds someone wanted the top slot. This business model collapses the moment it becomes as successful as it can get. So that's pure idiocy. These guys don't know that though. They depend on the next sucker who walks in the door, typically a shit posting amateur who's never produced content online trying to get 'rich and famous' overnight. Most fail.

This model of promotion is a joke. There are only a handful of top slots and if thousands of people tried to promote their posts in this fashion, all they do is end up blending back in with the crowd; making this more pointless than it ever was. The business model is one big flop. If it becomes successful it becomes useless at the same time. That's not capitalism, it's stupidity.

Content producers come first. The ads and promoted posts should be tucked nicely inside posts as banner ads. That would give those who wish to promote their posts a much larger potential viewership, and the content producers would be able to produce content that can reach top slots organically. There are literally thousands of posts published daily. The ads should be inside those posts and the content producers should take center stage to attract eyes to the platform.

The content producers should have to select a maximum of two ads they'd like to include in their blog from a market. In other words, content producers would curate ads and look for something people might want to click because the content producer would be earning a piece of the ad revenue. That click should function like the vote button, voting for the post before the consumer takes off to visit the ad. Those promoting would have to spend more and more to jockey for position within this market tab. If they wanted the top slot there, with the hopes a lazy blogger wouldn't look hard, they'd have to buy STEEM and spend more to boost it to the top. This creates a huge demand for STEEM this current model can't even come close to.

That promotion, on payday, then gets split between the promoters, content producers who hosted the ad, and if there's any profit left that goes to the one who published the promotion.

Everyone then works together. Content producers can earn ad revenue on top of their votes, those promoting have far more potential slots and far more potential eyes on their ads, those selling votes for the ads within the market would earn less per post but far more in bulk. There wouldn't even be enough of them, which creates more demand to buy STEEM on top of all this. Content producers with more stake earn higher percentages of the ad reward pool, creating even more demand to buy steem and power up earnings.

Right now everyone works against each other and the promotion system is a joke. These people could be making far more money but they don't have any experience in the entertainment industry to be able to understand their roles. They want the most money and they currently depend on the next sucker who walks in the door. Everything about their system means, eventually, it falls in on itself.

That's something I wrote, months ago. This dude seems to get it. There was another video made talking about how great the idea is as well but I can't find it. Probably more out there.

There are only about 20 top slots here, maybe a few more. It's pointless to be on this trending page. 1 slot for three days? Your post could be inside thousands of others posts for a week. Maybe 100+ views here, potentially thousands if the promoted posts were inside actual content. Put the actual content on the trending page and these shit posts you people make inside as advertisements.

Most of you guys seem to either want to reinvent the wheel or recycle old ideas (Like Joe emulating Jerry... Jerry failed) instead of taking this wheel, including everything the place has to offer, and making the wheel actually spin.

Anyway, whatever. Enjoy the generic you're so awesome this post was the best ever response you paid for. Have a good one.

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we always keep circling back about the bots.. I’m not for or against them.. I just use them because I can. Why more people don’t is beyond me. You don’t get bonus points for not using them. This isn’t the boy scouts. Steemit inc knows Steemit is broken. They are building destiny. Let’s see what that turns out to be

I know this isn't the boy scouts, Joe. If everyone used bots, who would vote for free? How would you sell the idea of using paid votes if you couldn't use the line, "Maybe someone will then come along and vote for your post, since they can see it." Remember? It's sold as 'promoting content'. If there weren't any eyes around, if it was all bots, that means all eyes are gone, and all bots fail. Didn't you think of this before the last boy scout meeting?

But this isn’t the case... there are still eyes 👀 out there.... and there are many people who don’t use bots and manually vote (like yourself) so it’s a mix right now. You’re projecting a Steemit that isn’t here yet... maybe one day it’ll be all bots. But right now it’s not

I know of a better place for bots. I'm not fully against anything. It's just easier for me to piece the puzzle together. For you, you'd have to first admit what you're doing isn't the ideal solution. It's common for people running failing business models to run it into the ground rather than admitting a screw up. Not saying that's you, just saying that's how it is.

We probably shouldn't argue though. Agreed?

I agree with you that bots are not the solution to growing this community. And selling my vote isn’t “ideal” yes I admit that. We may not see eye to eye in everything but I respect you and your options. I’m on Steemit because there’s a million people here and I think the concept of earning rewards for posting is revolutionary. My mission is to help as many people I can and create inspiring high quality content. If it gets voted great if not that’s cool too. It’s out of my control who voted vs who doesn’t.

Nope, we won't see eye to eye, but there's no reason to take anything I say personally. You sell votes and I can't visit the trending page without making a scene. Two imperfect worlds will collide; so what, it's nothing personal.

I've helped a lot of people, or at least tried to. I'm a content producer first though, curator second. I miss the days when this place was jammed with people, but as you can see, my blog is still attracting the organic viewership. The rewards, well, it would be nice if those were higher but I didn't come here to complain about that. It is unfortunate much of following either vanished or decided to hang people out to dry while they sell votes and post on other platforms, ignoring the folks they once encouraged here. That's life, I just keep going. I won't purchase votes though. To me, it doesn't make sense if others earn more from my labor than I earn. In most cases, that's what's happening here. People are forfeiting 90% or more of the stated value of their posts just so they can scrape pennies off the floor. It's their decision to make poor business decisions. I choose not to participate in that madness.

Boosting posts to the top of the Trending page is advertising on site. You're only reaching the Steemit community. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about transferring Steem to US dollars to be used for FB ad campaigns so we can reach a larger audience.

This post = not about boosting to the Trending page

That response wasn't about bidbots. The conversation with Joe turned into that, because that's the part he wanted to talk about, I guess.

There are a million and one ways to attract people to this platform. If they're selling something, once they get here, they don't have eyes; no market. What I was talking about creates the market, with eyes. Much like Youtube but instead of half of the ad revenue going to Google, it stays here in the hands of stakeholders. What I'm talking about creates demand to buy and hold the token, which is important and helps boost the value of the entire blockchain.

If there's nothing like that in place, and we go with your idea, all we're doing is spending money to attract people to the same mess we've been in for over a year. If this place needs Facebook to get somewhere, those people will quickly realize, they're better off using Facebook.

Why should money be spent and tokens sold, potentially leading to a lower token value, to get business here, when one can create business here that is designed to increase the value? You want to siphon money away from this ecosystem and give it to Facebook?

How is giving a handout to a select few supposed to help anything when we've already seen what problems that creates? Where will these lucky 10 go once their handout is gone. With millions of people on this planet, do you really think this place can attract many by giving TEN people a handout?

When you're not busy knocking this place down, or taking a verbal shit on the people here, you sure have a fancy way of putting your ignorance about this entire place on display. Sure, a post with a lot of words leading nowhere makes it appear as if you know what you're talking about, but I've yet to see something come from you that actually makes solid sense. For the most part, you're keen on taking methods that barely worked on the OLD internet, and applying them here, instead of thinking outside of the box, creating something new. I suggest you open your eyes to the potential here, try to understand what's actually happening with "sidechains", SMT's, and everything else you're so happy to consistently shit on.

Tell them that you'll pay for their Facebook ads in exchange for creating high quality SEO-optimized listicles.

Are you on crack?

I reread this entire mess, one last time. My takeaway is this: You came here, once again, to call everyone names and act like a child. Your vision is narrow, you have blinders on. You seem to think the one thing you might know or what you're personally good at will save this place, you want this place to conform to you and your ways, fuck all the rest, you only see potential in about .5% of what this entire blockchain is capable of, and you can't see the progress being made to turn it into everything you're missing.

No offense brother but my shit has more business sense than you do. The idea is to help business owners develop their businesses by posting sales copy here that offers lots of value. Large posts that are essentially mini ebooks. Steem[it] gets the benefit of good content and attracts business owners.

Imagine if some whales got together and decided to have a business accelerator contest. People have 90 days to start a biz and generate as much revenue as possible. The top winners get a year of professional coaching from business mentors to develop the business further.

People are literally sitting on a printing press for money and not using it for anything productive. They made dtube without and plan on how to generate revenue. They made dlive without any plan to generate revenue. Etc etc etc. Steem monsters is the only thing where people actually have to pay to play but it only appeals to people who use this site. It’s like you’re almost trying to not understand on purpose.

There's good content here. Some is crap, but I can guarantee there's far more crap everywhere else. The main issue with STEEMIT is the fact people, like you, take part in exploiting the UI, effectively burying the good content. Nobody who started exploring this site today gives a shit about what you're talking about, yet it sits near the top. This content, and I'm not singling you out, there's more here, but this type of content is what forces eyes to look elsewhere.

There's no money in that. Peanuts.

We want eyes. All I'm saying is give this stage back to the actual content producers and place your promoted junk and advertisements inside those posts. Then eyes stay, browse, and might click the ads, just like anywhere else on the internet. Organically popular and trending posts that got there simply because people enjoyed them helps keep people around. Once those eyes are here, and stay here, you get something like this:
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Billions. "my shit has more business sense than you do." Okay then.

I've explained exactly how simple content can generate revenue and much of it involves putting buy pressure on the token. If millions of STEEM were purchased so people could advertise on a platform that actually sees the potential in content and the eyes that come with it (good or bad content, doens't matter, just look at Youtube), literally everyone here makes money. No matter when you start, there's always a demand to purchase the token.

You're talking about a fucking contest...

Business owners and high profile content producers can create their own app that runs on this blockchain and combine it with the benefits of an SMT. I gave an example of how, here. That also creates a reason to buy STEEM and includes consumer money funneling in. Get your head out of the clouds.

As I look deeper, I'm thinking you want people to grow their businesses and earn fiat. They can do that everywhere else. They don't need this place for that. Businesses that want to thrive here will want to find ways to not only earn tokens, but see that value rise over time. You're proposing people go back to the old ways. I don't think this place is meant for that kind of business and those kind of businesses do nothing for this economy, especially if they're dependent on a bloody handout. They need to invest first, thinking that investment will grow as they grow their business. These things have to work together, not against each other.

This place does not exist in a vacuum separate from the rest of humanity. Yes, I am teaching people to go back to the "old ways," because those ways have gotten society to where they are today. The current way things work on here is fucked beyond belief and not likely to change any time soon.

You personally can have the best ideas in the world, but good luck implementing them. If you were somehow able to wave your magic wand and implement all the changes you think would make this place better, you'd have my full support. But I don't see that happening any time soon and it's not worth it to me or anyone else to campaign for it to happen. Why? Because we all have better things to do.

So the current situation being what it is, it seems like it couldn't hurt to have a little realism injected into this place when it comes to making actual money. Content is valued on other platforms like YouTube because it's popular and advertisers will pay to place ads there.

But this does not exist on here because the content is not very good. Sorry not sorry. If the content was good, it would get attention from off site. It would rank on Google. It would be shared on FB, in forums, and people would email links to each other like they did back in the day. But that doesn't seem to happen, hence the low-ish number of active users.

Plus, the fact that people are incentivized here to spam low effort content in hopes of being discovered by some curation team handing out welfare checks doesn't make things any better. I don't believe that encouraging people to buy into the hype that this place will solve society's problems by printing fake money and handing it out for people to write poetry and take pictures of their breakfast is healthy.

On the other hand, if you're able to properly educate them on creating a business that can teach them how to make money in the real world and not just the pseudo fake money crypto world, then you're teaching them a valuable skill that they can use to actually improve their lives and maybe even give a little back to society in the form of a valuable product or service.

I always said that people shouldn't use this site for income. Maybe people like you can write a post a day and make $10 each time. That's great. But $300/month isn't really that much money, and furthermore it's not likely that many people are willing to put in the time and effort necessary to network just to make that kind of money.

Instead, this site should just be used as a blogging platform where people essentially ignore the fact that there are post rewards. IMO that fucks everything up because it encourages people to "take a shit in the street," a la this post: https://steemit.com/steem/@trafalgar/help-fix-steem-s-economy

But again, it's not likely that anything I say or do is going to change that. Just like nothing you say or do will either. So the system being what it is now and not likely to change based on what either of us say or do, I say the intelligent thing to do is to take a look at the current situation and find the best solution assuming that things will stay the way they are.

I don't think that complaining or talking shit about how the system is being used based on what the rules are now is going to do anything. Create a new initiative that encourages the right kind of behavior, make it extremely obvious that a few people are being highly rewarded for doing something special, and I believe that you'll attract others who will say to themselves, "I could do that" - and then come here and do it.

So the current situation being what it is, it seems like it couldn't hurt to have a little realism injected into this place when it comes to making actual money. Content is valued on other platforms like YouTube because it's popular and advertisers will pay to place ads there.

Exactly. But the content there is given the chance to become popular. Here, the middleman stepped in to promote goddamn monkey posts. We can say this place is fucked but I like to point my finger at some of the individuals as well. The "promoters" here are sabotaging our chances at gaining the interest of advertisers and their billions. These guys want to make thousands while their business model puts selling pressure on the token at the same time.

But this does not exist on here because the content is not very good. Sorry not sorry.

There's far more junk on Youtube. Millions of videos sitting without views, millions of content producers sitting without a paycheck. There will always be junk. It's not all shit, just like here. Unfortunately here, the shit floats to the top, again, because of the promoters. Place one of these "promoters" in a real world promoter position and they'd be fired on the spot, nobody would want these acts at their venues.

Plus, the fact that people are incentivized here to spam low effort content in hopes of being discovered by some curation team handing out welfare checks doesn't make things any better. I don't believe that encouraging people to buy into the hype that this place will solve society's problems by printing fake money and handing it out for people to write poetry and take pictures of their breakfast is healthy.

They're actually not. Nobody is supporting shit content. Those people taking the shit content approach are usually the ones bitching about how unfair this place is instead of stepping up their game. All of the curators I know look for the quality. They sift through the shit, and they find the good stuff. I insist there is good stuff here, and it's rewarded, but it can't reach the top. When I vote, I'm trying to push the member up the ranks. All it takes is one jackass with a Facebook style status message and a bot to push what I tried to promote down into oblivion.

I always said that people shouldn't use this site for income. Maybe people like you can write a post a day and make $10 each time. That's great. But $300/month isn't really that much money, and furthermore it's not likely that many people are willing to put in the time and effort necessary to network just to make that kind of money.

It's not about being in the now. This is more for forward thinking people. The instant gratification crowd will not do well here. People thought I was a nutcase before this year. I saved my pennies, had another investment on the side because of these pennies, that investment grew and paid me a nice salary, all while I was still able to keep enough pennies here to make more pennies. On the surface, it won't look like much, today. Today doesn't matter. $300, on the surface. I can still take much of what I offer here and find ways to sell it for cash in the "outside world." Plenty of entrepreneurs out there work on building their businesses up before they splurge; pay themselves. Making sacrifices is part of the game. Instead of buying beer and a nice meal, I can buy my own top notch printer, something they use in printshops, and cut out the middleman completely, plus this place gave me the incentive to produce hundreds of images, so I'm already set up with a full catalog for the consumer. That's my world though, and there are plenty of others here who've produced material that could be put on paper and sold.

Anyway, we obviously both want to see this place become better. We both see wasted potential. If I could wave a magic wand, dude, I would, but I can't. If you had a look at any of these links I've shared throughout the conversation, follow the rabbit hole, you'd see I've been yelling at the clouds for almost a year. Whatever though, right?

I don't think that complaining or talking shit about how the system is being used based on what the rules are now is going to do anything. Create a new initiative that encourages the right kind of behavior, make it extremely obvious that a few people are being highly rewarded for doing something special, and I believe that you'll attract others who will say to themselves, "I could do that" - and then come here and do it.

This does happen but unfortunately, again, the good is buried under the shitty promoted posts at the top. The good is out of sight, out of mind. People would rather earn chump change. I've seen bloggers here do a fine job, but then they turn around and sell their vote to someone and that someone buries the bloggers work. That's how you sabotage your own business. That's like me putting my artwork on display in a window, then allowing someone to slip me a fiver so they can cover my windows with their shit posts. So I can easily say this platform is screwed, but I also like to look at the people who are screwing it and themselves. Of course the truth hurts and they probably fucking hate me for it. Oh well.

Have a good day.

either steemit will change to most of the changes explained by nonamaeslefttouse and stop some major flaws like bid bots and bot delegation soon - or this whole thing is toast and will be overtaken by developers of new BCs who get it.

You can't seriously say content here is as good as elsehwere. I can go down a Youtube wormhole and 6 hours later be like what the fuck happenned. That has NEVER happenend to me on Steemit. I come here to play the game and suck peoples dicks who have a score higher than me and hope for some upvotes and then I come back and check and collect my 0.11 cents. I come here to play the game and even that is no longer making sense. Maybe there is good content here and I just can't find it because the search function is a fucking joke or because trending and hot are fucking jokes but to me the content on here is not only not good with rare exceptions, its incredibly hard to find those rare gems.

I can say there's far more junk elsewhere, because that's the truth and that's what I said.

I can say there's good content here, because there is. So sorry that you had to do a bit of work to find what you like on a site that pays you to do it.

obviously were not comparing apples to apples but youtube intuitively knows what i want to watch, heck they even know stuff i want to watch that i didnt know i knew. medium is incredibly easy to find good content. the search function here and overall interface makes it painful trying to find good content.

i suppose junk is subjective. while i do think quality of content here is low generally speaking, i will say its probably my preference as well the type of content i like to consume isn't really here. there's too much of a focus here on crypto and steemit itself imho. ifthats your thing i can see how youd love it. dont get me wrong i enjoy crypto but right now itskinda boring and i like it in doses, i like to see some other content as well

Crypto is a small market and I agree, having too much here will turn away potential consumers. Much of the crypto crowd use bots, so they cram it down our throats and bury all of the other work. They're not concerned about things like long term thinking. If they can scrape a penny off the ground, they'll do it, even if it means that penny is holding up a wall.

On this platform, you're better off finding people instead of content. If you're into trees, nobody follows a tree, but if someone ads their personality to a post about trees, even something as bland as a post about trees can become interesting. People first, content second. If you enjoy someone's company, you'll probably enjoy their work. Also, some people have bad days, we all do. I'll still support someone if they felt like pushing out a shit post, especially if it's funny, for instance.

There's way too much steemit related content. I wrote about that the other day. I'm an artist and it seems most aren't interested in #actual-content these days. They're refusing to support it and paying attention to the steemit cheerleading warm fuzzy stuff that's outdated and pointless shortly after publishing, and also holds no value outside of the local community.

In this post, @yallapapi talks about pushing content out, to outside eyes. That's something I've done for over two years. We had a view counter at one point and some of my older posts were showing views in the thousands. They weren't advertisements. It was simply #actual-content getting passed around on other social media, by people who enjoyed it. That's the best way to attract genuine eyes to the platform without using ads. Just use interesting content and share it.

@nonameslefttouse
I like your ideas and this @phoneinf good guy...

/FF

Read this one. There I cover a few use case scenarios for big independent content producers and SMT's. Something Yallapapi here doesn't seem to get. No offense, @yallapapi.

Hey @nonameslefttouse
I was really zonked out on my sleeping pills (that I get from my DR) yesterday when I was writing a reply and reading @yallapapi , I was a bit frustrated, and I think the "dip" brings up a lot of toxicity, like radioactive cloudy mud from the bottom of a lake.

And sometimes I don't know if we know what we are actually saying. It's like a bunch of people who all wanna escape a horrible and toxic situation and we are all just jabbering away in a state of cognitive dissonance at something that feels like a group sitting at a table in some kind of virtual mental hospital...

Im thinking of some scene out of the "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", maybe... Man I love that movie...

Anyway I need to go back and read this post and what I wrote and your reply properly now, UGH...

/FF

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