On Steem and Abuse
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7 years ago in #abuse by drakos (70)
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Thanks for sharing this @drakos! I'm new to steemit and I didn't realize so many issues are plaguing steemit. I really enjoy being a participant in this platform and I would definitely love to help with tackling these issues whether it be flagging spam or delegating Steem Power. How do we go about delegating Steem Power?
I recommend the VESSEL wallet, it's the easiest way to manage your accounts and delegations.
https://steemit.com/steem-project/@jesta/vessel-006-steem-power-delegation
Hy,
Just reached this post and downloaded vessel.
I suppose i have to use steemit account with the steemit passwords and active keys? Is that safe there?
Hope you understand my caution when is about pass and other sensitive data for steemit account.
There were other apps that requested that and haven't tried them because of that.
I use for the moment esteem with just posting.
Thanks
VESSEL is safe, the wallet is installed locally on your computer. Use the Active Key.
Ok, thanks.
I voted also for your witness. Hope you guys will can grow a healthier community here.
Cheers
Awesome, thanks! I looked into it a bit, now I just need to download it.
It's a very good tool. I use myself, as do many other Steemians I know.
Attacking self up-voters isn't stopping abuse, it's a marxist witch hunt for self-serving individuals to use to increase their standing (and try to get witness) underpinned by total lack of understanding of both Steemit and game theory.
Real efforts against actual abuse would be directed at things like Trending and BookingTeam, spam reposts, plagiariam, etc. For which I repeatedly receive no support for, and for which the same people involved in these witch-hunt "smackdown kitty" bot garbage projects downvoted me for trying to stop.
https://steemit.com/curation/@lexiconical/make-flagging-great-again-on-self-up-voting-and-a-suggestion-for-improving-curation-on-steemit
https://steemit.com/curation/@lexiconical/exposing-advertiser-circle-jerks-in-trending-reward-pool-rape-and-bookingteam-com
These awful flagging projects are also often associated with ranting lunatics like loki/elfspice, a self admitted angry drunk going through withdrawal, who attacks everyone and is as toxic as nuclear waste.
Fuck these communist apparatchiks that think they are the self-appointed Steemit police to run flagging bots.
I think it's time we push Steemit Inc to do something about all those illegal activities. Comment spamming is not illegal, but child pornography, scaming and copyrighted material are, and we should have a way to get rid of those from the network.
If it comes to censorship to a blockchain, then let it be. Steemit already has a somewhat bad reputation out there, we don't need to make it worse.
We have similar views on this topic. The spam and abuse needs to stop, and stopping it starts with all of us.
Here's my blog post from yesterday, with some similar remarks .. if you're interested.
Who will police this abuse? Here's my hunch and actually, recommendation: given the nature and direction of this new social media I believe it must police itself! By that I mean, these decentralized platforms are like our neighborhood. And neighbors must ban together, form neighborhood watch programs and ultimately take care of business - or business will leave. With decentralization comes freedom, with freedom comes power and (as we all now know thanks to Ben Parker) with great power comes great responsibility. Let's exercise that freedom / ability to respond and flag abusers down.
That seems the case, for now. However, I would like to see Steemit take a more pro-active role in this, because they have some mega-whales with lots of SP that could be put to good use, instead of delegating ridiculous SP to a few select users (I won't point fingers here, it's not the scope of this post, but some people know who I'm talking about). If Steemit put their minds to it, and take some responsibility, it would make things easier for everyone.
It's an interesting point. As someone new to steemit I've yet to learn how the algorithms work and how current incentive structure play out. If you have any info or posts on this that would be great. Thanks again
@Drakos I loved your informative post. Could you please tell me what is wrong with upvoting your own comments? After all, you upvote yourself when you post your blog. I agree there needs to be guidelines but I find it hard to understand a flag and run opposed to a reason for a flag like the bot smackdown.kitty. Appreciate your thoughts since you brought up that it is wrong to upvote yourself.
Upvoting posts and comments is allowed by the system. Self-upvoting is a debated issue. Technically there's nothing wrong with it. I do upvote all my posts (15-20 cents worth), almost everyone does that, but I rarely upvote my comments (I think I did that twice so far when I thought my comment was important). That being said, there are people with lots of SP that often upvote their comments. About two weeks ago, one whale upvoted his two-lined comment to almost $600!!! That sparked some very heated exchange. Other people use bots to upvote their comments, which many consider it abusive.
I have seen the bots used to upvote replies often. My latest post tonight has a perfect example of how it is done.
The guy probably automates a reply to posts over x amount, and then he also automates the bot upvotes to his reply.
It is definitely abuse imnsho.
Policing this platform as it grows is going to be a huge challenge. Foe example, I've had triggered snowflake @preparedwombat harrass, stalk, and down vote me just because he got upset with a few of my factually correct, but politically incorrect posts.
Yeh, that's another thing with some whales. If they disagree with someone, they have the power to do some serious damage. It's a slippery slope.
thank you for your informative post. I am keeping it so I can use the links for later. I had thought, after @stellabelle's article that @joanaltres is actually philanthropic - because she lives in a poor country and hopes to help others in those countries make money that they could never make - I did pay her brother for his service once and it did nothing for my post. The other dude 420 it seemed like the accounts were baseless... I decided to give up on all the bots to upvote and just accept low numbers - when I joined last year my posts were much more valueable. I want to let go of my need for money... the other day I wrote a post and this kid posted HIS article in my comments - this seems to be a new thing - I dropped him in steemcleaners and then let him know he was in for an asswhoopin - but then he just posted a bunch more pictures and comments about HIS work in my comments - so I had to flag him and mute him - his article was 100% plagiarized - the cheetahbot had already bitch-slapped him... a few weeks ago someone PAID ME to go look at their post. It seems like a flood of polluted water just flowed into our steem pool - I just hope the tide takes it out, however the idea that "dilution is the solution to polution" is not going to last forever anywhere. As we polute our planet and steemit - eventually we might have to become moral...not holding my breath.
Now Im depressed :/ I think there should be the police...lets face it..the idea of people takin care of themselves is grand. But thats what it is to me...and idea.. a hope. And I think posts should be delited in the 7 days period and acc too. If you wanna kill out the weed you have to take the roots out. But who and how and maybe and when...ugh. Don't know enough.
Thanks for this info. Very important. I try to do what I can. Still learning and trying to discern the scamsters.