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Is it okay to just be agnostic and not claim to be 100% sure, and lean towards not wanting to put [manmade injection] into your body?
I wish less people tried to act like experts and pressure people into using these things, when they don't actually have any idea one way or the other.
(I don't mean you. Clearly you have a lot of knowledge.)
It reminds me of shooting down a bad 9-11 conspiracy theory or something. That particular theory can be wrong, but it doesn't mean you should have confidence that it happened like the official line says.
I feel like it's hard to be really sure that's there's nothing at all problematic. Whereas trusting nature's design and that it didn't leave us to scramble to make special potions.. seems intuitive to me
@lesshorrible beat me to most of this, and has put it wonderfully. I will add that yes it is absolutely okay to be unsure about vaccination. In fact a healthy skepticism and holding a healthcare system accountable is essential to its workings.
I never see the healthcare systems job as forcing people to do something that they don't want to do, if people lose trust in the system, or any of its interventions, then I want to look at what the system can change to make it better. I criticise the system a lot, there's so much we could do better.
Always do what feels right for you, but also make sure to get a a full range of the opinions out there.
Thank you for such an honest comment! :-)
There are side effects but they are rare. It is very unlikely that you will be reminded that you ever got an injection, but you will be immune (in absolutely most cases). In most cases I would suggest you trust nature’s design, our bodies are amazingly complex and still function better than most lawn mowers. However, nature also made bacteria who are great at infecting and overcoming immune systems. Vaccines are effective against many bacterial, and some viruses. A vaccine is not abolishing nature’s design by the way. Vaccination gives our body’s immune system a “clue” so that it can detect pathogenic markers (certain proteins, surface-sugar markers, cell membrane fragments) as soon as they managed to get across the primary barrier. These vaccines are great and scientifically shown to be effective. However, vaccines are being improved, making them safer and more effective. There is a vaccination concept using harmless bacteria that could be used to vaccinate against HIV. Vaccines could even stop bacteria in our nose by using bacteria that are already present. This is no magic, but using nature’s design.
Cheers!
HIV vaccination sounds great and makes a lot of sense.
It kind of feels like it shouldn't be an aspect of life that being sexually actively comes with a risk and needing to put on latex and all this annoying stuff :p
Like, we should be able to just play around like rabbits do.
I had never thought about the idea of a vaccination for that kind of thing, but it certainly seems intuitive to me.
Thanks for your answer.
Where people lose me and what doesn't seem intuitive to me is in the realm of "your baby is doomed (you're a bad parent etc) if you don't give them this"
Using vaccines when you choose to to make things better makes a lot of sense.
Well that HIV vaccine is still very far in the future, still very interesting.
No I got you! There’s a lot of weird tips out there, for health, wellbeing, etc. The problem is that most of these are private decisions, while refusing to get a vaccination could put others at risk. You can decide to do whatever you want as long as you are not harming others with that decision. That’s my stance.
Thank you for your reply and the kind upvote on my previous reply. Cheers!
This is a wonderful response, thank you!
Really late reply but I am 100% in the line of thinking that being critical of anything really is the best way for any individual to make any decision about anything.
Look at the data, look at the interpretations, look at both sides of the coin and then decide for ourselves...
After doing so, if any individual comes to a conclusion, they can sleep soundly knowing they are comfortable with it and looked at the possibilities.
Cheers!
better late than never! I agree with that.
I'm not of the mind to tell people that they're wrong, if they look at the data and decide for themselves or for their kids what they should do.
And, I want the same in return.
Hahaha, exactly...
Good philosophy (on telling people they are wrong), we are mostly all adults here so respect is important! I like your post from yesterday too!
Cheers!
Ya. Sometimes I get the vibe from the pro-vaccine people that they actually want the government to force people to use vaccines, whether or not they want to. Or a softer version, they say it's child endangerment and that you're a bad parent.
Not allowed to disagree and make your own choice, basically.
But it's nice to see there are others, like in this thread, who are trying to educate and persuade and not force their view.
I don't like anyone being forced to do anything! Hahaha. But that being said, as mentioned before, doing research and coming to our own conclusions is a good thing.
Maybe polio is really bad news and should be considered for most people, but a flu shot is not really necessary? Not sure!
I have seen people with polio in Africa and it is pretty scary. Clearly these people are still living but with a difficult condition. But I have also had the flu and I am still here... thus do I need a flu shot every year?
right! I agree with all that. Being skeptical or not wanting to use them doesn't mean you reject all possibility of them being useful in certain scenarios.
and being useful in those scenarios doesn't mean flu vaccine etc is necessarily needed