Content discovery! Steemit vs Reddit. (just a rant)
This post try to compare Steemit.com (condenser) to Reddit.com only as it relates to sort functions and search.
Steemit.com posts sorting :
Promoted is very poorly understood or used even by long time steemians "New" is barely usable with about 1 post every 2 seconds, So that leave us with Hot and Trending.
Steemit comments sorting :
Trending? Where is "top"?
"Age"... does not work and sort selection doesn't change
For those who don't know, the Steemit logo hide a secret link that send you to a feed of everything the people you follow post or resteem. It is currently most sane way to discover content.
Reddit with Enhancement suite addon.
Search...
Multi subjects (tags) feeds.
Sample of my current feed,
Do you think I care in the slightest what's on the global reddit trending page? almost no one that's logged in get to see it anyway.
There are hundreds of ways to improve content discovery but since Steemit.com has been at this same stage for the last two years I think it's futile to suggest them any, no matter how obvious or simple to implement it is.
The Trending page is a complete mess right now, has been for a while, but it wouldn't be such a big deal if there had been more thought/work put into offering different ways to discover content.
The conclusion of this post is that I would really like to help support development of competing general use Steem front-end. Please contact me if you're working on something.
Sorry for such a depressing post, I'll make another one to show all of the great content filtering that other front-end offers soon. (there is hope, but elsewhere)
Some example :
https://steemline.markus-kottlaender.de/
http://www.steemreports.com/spruce/#/feed (try clicking on a tag)
http://www.steemsearch.com/ (thanks to @mikepm74)
This is key right here. They really are not worried about doing anything other than minor cosmetic changes to the UI. Since anyone with the tools to do so can create a new UI for the Steem blockchain, I think they are leaving it up to the users to create something that works better.
I imagine there are Devs out there who could create a VERY usable interface given the proper motivation. Perhaps your offer to support the efforts is the push someone needs!
It isn't really what you are looking for, but have you checked out steemsearch.com? It gives you a lot of utility in searching for content, but you still have to kind of know what you are looking for. It was created by @markangeltrueman.
I have no stake in steemsearch, just pointing out a tool I have found most useful in my content discovery. :-)
I get what you're talking about. At first it could be pretty frustrating to get on the good wave of Steemit but there are tools.
For me personally - I like using Steem Buddy to find out accounts with similar interests. Once you follow enough interesting accounts, your news feed gets the magic you're looking for.
That's a great tip. Thanks for that
Just started using steemsearch, thanks for the recommendation.
I think it is OK to keep Steemit as simple as possible to allow for as many users as possible. 3rd party tools will be able to achieve any specific sorting or searching that anybody might need.
Thanks for mentioning SteemSearch Mike, it is much appreciated, as is the continued support. I've got 3 days free to work on some more features starting from tomorrow so i'll see what i can come up with.
I ma new on steemit.please guide me and vote me @cristi
Hey again @transisto
One of the things I find the most lacking here on Steemit is the search function. Taking you to a completely different page branded by Google just can't be.
You see, I'm a college professor, I teach Marketing at a University and I promote Steemit to my students, who jump at the opportunity to work here and share the community with the rest of us.
One of the first things they ask is: Professor, how do we find each other?
I explain that it is easilly done through the search function.
Do you know what most of them come asking?
Professor, that sends us to a Google page.
I mean, they don't even bother to check the results because the page changed so abruptly.
Not only that but we all know, as we are Internet Users, that usually searches with that kind of bar SUCK TONS!!
Huge turnoff, not intuitive, marketing fail and something that just has to be worked upon.
Anyway, I almost wrote a post here myself, in fact I think I will approach this topic on my blog soon, it annoys me a lot.
Cheers! Keep up the good work.
Upvoted.
I am new on steem world. Please guide me follow me and upvote me.@cristi
try steemsearch.com. It's pretty new and im working hard on it so if you have any feature requests or ideas then let me know in steem chat #steemsearch
I am with you @spiritualmax.
Plus even when you do it, the results do not come up.
Half the time I will put in a @username and get something totally off the wall especially if the person is relatively new.
I end up digging through my following list to find the people.
Finding new content on here is mostly chance. There's no good method to find something new unless you know what you're looking for.
Implementation underway at hivemind repository ... https://github.com/steemit/condenser/wiki/Community-Spec-%5BDRAFT%5D
Yep, I've been asking for things like following a tag or "favourite tag" buttons since like 2 years :s
I have no programming skills whatsoever but I support what you state here completely.
This site is just one big steam it seems. I only recently got a hold of my feed since I went bonkers upon signing up and followed everyone under the sun.
That said, I have reduced it a great deal of late so that it is manageable. Outside of that though, it is hopeless. I sift through the taglines but most of them are mislabeled (some seem to think that every post has to do with STEEM).
I wasnt here two years ago but with a reported 20K authors, this place is becoming a mess. Even when I am seeking something on a particular subject, the google search bar gives me a bunch of garbage unrelated to what I seek.
Since we are ranting, one feature that really irritates me is that using other apps like Zappl, snapshot, and Dtube puts those posts in my blog category. I dont necessarily want a bunch of zaps in my blogs. The developers over the state that it is a steemit issue.
Rant over....
I think that since authors don't get rewarded for old content, they do not update it and fail to bring in long term inbound links which would float the best material to the top.
To be fair, they are right, they can't control what steemit displays.
you are very right about this,, I dont know anything about programming as well but the points are very clear to me now.
personally I like seeing all of what a member does on the ecosystem. As the flagship site, Steemit needs to implement an interface feature which allows members to filter out what they don't want to see from the ecosystem thus giving members a choice. But, that would be like making the Trending page more relevant or implementing a real search feature.. wishful thinking at this point.
I am new on steemit please guide me folloe me and vote me
I am a full stack developer and will help any projects that need web develoment help.
It's really nice to see you volunteer for such a job of helping.
Yes, I agree with you.
Any type of project ?
Please tell me what you want to do and I will help. I mostly do microsoft technologies for middlware and backend but well versed with botstrap jquery reactivejs steemjs and similar UI stuff. www.artnet.com is one of the websites that I have worked on in the past.
I've been an avid daily user of reddit for many years. I really enjoy reddit. I can't wait to see what Steem communities will do for Steem. It's difficult to know if Steemit does have their priority at the right place but we still have to give them the benefice of the doubt at least that's my opinion. They have a lot to chew on. The are not only developing the leading hedge of blockchain tech but also it's leading front-end and that's 2 major achievement with almost no precedent if at all.
Also reddit as gazillion more authors and also gazillion more professional one paid per companies. I really hope and think Steem will get there with time and effort.
Take care my Transisto! Have fun!
And, all the social aspects they are incorporating into it. It's really uncharted territory.
I have been on and off reddit for over 10years. When I first started reddit everything was lumped together on the front page and there were no subreddits. Those were the days of “vote up if, vote down if”. It was just blue text on a white background. It was better back then. Now they’re shady as fuck with their shadow bans and if you say anything about their liberal socialist agenda you get banned, assuming you can post in the first place with their karma limits. Point is, when you first start a website you just want things to work. Reddit worked back then. Now it’s just one infested armpit of censorship if you don’t toe the communist agenda. I’ll never go back there. I’d rsther be here as long as there’s free speech.
And you can find anything through the google search. Just put whatever you’re searching for in the google search, including peoples names.
" their liberal socialist agenda" "if you don’t toe the communist agenda"
I feel like you can't define any of those
There are only a select number of subreddits where you can say any right wing opinion without being harassed and downvoted. You can state left wing opinions pretty much everywhere without fear. That's a big problem because it makes the site unpleasant to use for anyone with right wing beliefs, including free speech.
That is not what I asked. Liberals are right of center, they are just another form of capitalist.
"That's a big problem because it makes the site unpleasant to use for anyone with right wing beliefs, including free speech."
free speech has historically been more left wing than right, fascism comes to mind for one.
liberals are not left and I think you mean progressiveism, which is just the "happy face" of tyranny. Either way 20 million die of poverty a year and the answer is the destruction of capitalism.
It’s historical revisionism to suggest fascism is right wing. Giovanni Gentile was the father of fascism and he was very left wing. Fascism is fundamentally about collectivism, not individualism or freedom. That’s synonymous with left wing politics and socialism.
I’m not OP and I wouldn’t refer to the left as liberal. Liberalism is fundamentally a right wing ideology which dates back to the Enlightenment.
Capitalism has brought 1 billion people out of poverty in the last 20 years. Socialism and communism has killed 100 million at least in the past century. It should be clear which side has better ideas.
If you honestly believe capitalism is a bad thing it’s a wonder you’re on this site at all. Capitalism is mans greatest invention and it will continue to bring millions out of poverty every month.
they wouldn't be in poverty if it weren't for capitalist imperialism.
" Capitalism is mans greatest invention"
yeah, and atomic bombs and climate change are next
its historical revisionism to ignore the fact that fascism is completely right wing lmao. Hitler slaughtered socialists and communists and privatised multiple national industries for a reason
What was right wing about Hitler? He was all about collectivism, his party was the national socialist party, he socialised education and welfare and blamed the wealthy capitalist Jews for all of the country’s problems. Replace the word Jew with top 1% and it sounds a lot like another socialist, Bernie Sanders.
The socialist historians have lied to millions to try and distance Hitler from their corrosive ideology.
"What was right wing about Hitler? He was all about collectivism, "
oh so that must be why he privatised nation industry.
oh no wait, you're just delusional
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives
remember that one time hitler slaughtered every socialist in his party?
Fascism is an Italian term that means “groupism” or “collectivism.” The fasci in Italy were groups of political activists who got their name from the fasces of ancient Rome—the bundles of rods carried by the lictors to symbolize the unified strength of the Romans. The core meaning of the term fascism is that people are stronger in groups than they are as individuals.
You're right, that sounds sooooo much like right wingers.
the right wing is based on private ownership of the means of production and a market system built out of that.
The Nazis supported private ownership and markets.
and it seems like you missed this
It feels like the early days of Facebook and 3rd-Party Facebook Apps.
And I am beginning to think that the current way the search and discover function works is what makes Steemit so focused on just getting upvotes without genuine readership.
Only the trending and hot sections are given attention to, although there might be other rich content buried forever.
I also believe that there are a lot of us out here who would enjoy being suggested articles to which is in line with our interests. If there will be some algo for this, more Steemians will be motivated to post for things they are passionate about, knowing that there are eager readers to whom their content will be served.
Anyway, there is definitely a huge room for improvement given the age of the platform.
Yes, finding material on Steemit.com can be one of the most frustrating things imaginable. At least for me. However, in the time I've been here, I haven't really seen the interface change with exception of appearance.
I think they are waiting for a user or users to come up and produce something better for them. However, I am not the person with the type of knowledge to do that. So... Here is to hoping someone else does!
Yes, I really dont understand how this is going on for so long. Also I am not a developer, but I would think that the main priority of the core team right now would be to fix the basic search and listing functionality, as well as adding private messaging.
I WANT to promote steemit to my friends, but showing them the site in it's current form is a joke!
Compare this to DTUBE which is being privately developed, and in my opinion has become the LEADING value for steem.
I mean in the 5 months I have been here, what really has even changed? We got a new logo? Cmon devs!!!