Steem Business Loans: Better projects and content in a larger market of middle class users

in #steemit7 years ago (edited)

Continuing on from The Steemit Loans to help highly invested, community oriented dolphins reach the middle-class, I will look at another perspective as to why this would be a good thing.

Currently, Steemit supports a range of projects with very large delegations but there is a major issue with this in my opinion as a large delegation is a point of weakness and prone to misuse. These issues have come up several times already and will continue to arise.

The problem that I see is that the project works like a lottery where large prizes are on offer but very few can actually get them. There are also risks that those who get rewarded are not necessarily so far from the project team, self-upvoting for exposure and over rewarded curation returns for doing very little among other things. This keeps the delegation value relatively centralised but the idea is to distribute it, isn't it?

Plus, there is very little incentive for the project to even be good as all it needs to do is attract people, which it can because of the large upvote prizes it has on offer.

What should actually be happening instead of projects being able to offer large upvotes is that the projects attract large upvoters, which in turn attracts users and higher quality content from them.

As an example, I will use @Dmania, which receives 500,000 in delegation from Steemit for their meme project. This gives them a current 100% vote of about $180 which I think we can agree, is significant. But, Should a meme being taken from the internet and reposted here be getting $80-120 from a @dmania vote? This is the issue with the large delegation as there is no incentive to spend time sharing value deeply into the community or, even caring about the content it upvotes as it gets paid either way. There is no downside for them.

But, without the delegation, the project is likely to struggle as it will be unable to attract users with large prize rewards and, there aren't currently enough big voters interested in upvoting memes. At what point can the business (who's owners can earn a great deal) stand on its two feet without delegation? There is not even an incentive for it to do so as there is the ability to artificially keep it alive. It is definitely not a free market system.

This is why a large middle class needs to exist and instead of Steemit giving mammoth support to projects, they should split the support between projects so they survive and creating a middle class who can support the projects if they choose. This is vital for a project to build itself to be able to stand alone as it tests it in the actual market place with real customers.

My vote is worth about 10 dollars (with my paid delegation of 25k about 40,000SP) but, no matter how funny a stolen meme (or any meme) is, am I willing to give it a 100% upvote? No, I am not. Someone else might be though. But, let's say the average it gets is 50% from a group of interested dolphins. To get about the same amount as a 40% @dmania vote, it would take about 15-20 middle-class voters. That battle tests the posts. There is unlikely to be too many memes in trending now is there?

But, with many more middle class voters, some percentage of them will be interested in upvoting memes and they will pick and choose on what they find worthy. There will be lower voting reward peaks but, the spread will be much, much wider. When there are highly rewarded content, they will much more likely have earned the value.

However, with a thriving middle class, it won't just be memes that get upvoted as there will be a much larger voter base with a lot wider interest areas. They will be able to support projects in a much more free market orientated way which will mean that there is a massive incentive for the project owners to offer quality service and the user base they have to offer quality content.

They would also be able to fundamentally change the trending section as they will have the power in numbers and diversity of interests to spread into the farthest reaches of the community. Half the posts in Trending currently seem to be projects self-upvoted using Steemit delegation.

Many people would like to see true free markets operate in the real world but here the projects are getting so much support that it is impossible to get even close to free as they do not even need a market at all to survive. There are many projects that don't have delegation and are struggling but people use consistently and would support more if they could.

Creating a healthy middle class invested in the future (and fast) would make an enormous difference to the way content flows through the platform and incentivizes the projects to be much better and develop faster. I don't expect this idea to get support though as, it is all too much work to make products that a market is actually willing to pay a lot for and, working for a lot of small amounts is just too hard it seems.

In my opinion, projects should get support to build a foundation and begin growth but, that support should be withdrawn once the project is either able to stand or, unable to survive. How many projects currently getting support from Steemit can continue unabated if the delegation is withdrawn today?

The problem is that without a middle class, the projects will ALWAYS have to rely on the subsidies Steemit provides in delegation. This means that instead of building the middle class to support the businesses, the middle class will remain largely non-existent whilst the projects reap massive gains without necessarily providing a service that would survive a free market.

Without the middle class, the spread of Steem remains narrower, the support for varied content stays narrow, the willingness for outside project teams (great for the Steem) to test the waters is lower as there is no market for them to survive as they are unlikely to get delegation (subsidy) and the community does not have a high number of interested and invested Steem holders who are looking out for the well-being of the platforms and projects.

Essentially, for the longevity of the platform, it is imperitive that middle class happens and soon. Even with the SMT's coming, with a large middle class, they will be able to support many more projects and really drive the possibilities and create a marketplace where quality and utility of project trumps the size of subsidy a project receives.

All Steemit needs to do is help as many diverse, invested, long-term, proven community developers reach the middle classes as possible. They will do the rest and support many, many more in the process.

Taraz
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A large middle class doesn’t attract new (interface/app) developers though.

The knowledge that developers who build a thriving community can get a significant delegation from the guardians, makes it easier for them to believe in the potential of possibly growing a larger and thriving middle class of users.

This fits in with the concept that Steemit’s UX is poor by design.

For Steem Inc, who are massively vested because of the huge amount of Steem they hold, the growth hacking curve is just faster if they target larger amounts of delegations to specific geolocations (previous 5x 500k delegations by Ned) or to new, already thriving projects.

Those are low hanging fruits, easy wins. They lead to much higher visibility.

And hopefully... eventually, they will also cascade in a much needed larger middle class. Hopefully.

And hopefully... eventually, they will also cascade in a much needed larger middle class. Hopefully.

How long is too long to develop this?

Another 12 to 18 months of growth hacking focus would make sense (spoken with my startupper cap on).

That said though, I’m happy that Steem Inc does understand the need for many interfaces to the blockchain because the longer I’m here, the less I think they have what it will need to take the steem ecosystem to the next level.

Luckily, right now, we have a solid set of witnesses. Let’s hope that can be maintained and we can shift focus, pressure, to those who actually make the ecosystem happen and function.

Thanks for the extra insight @fknmayhem this is really helpful. And great essay @tarazp. I have nothing to contribute to this conversation but I'm loving it.

I’m happy that Steem Inc does understand the need for many interfaces to the blockchain

I think that this is why they are working much more heavily on the back-end so then a motivated third-party can create something truly beautiful on the front. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who does it but, doing it is necessary.

Yeah, I was just writing about memes the other day... there seem to be more and more of them.

I don't have anything against memes, but they are-- in my opinion-- "thin" content. And especially if they were not created originally to post here, but are merely reposts from the web. As upvotables, I doubt I would give a meme more than about a 10c upvote, EVER. But I'm a writer, and memes are popular.

You're right, though... we need a bigger "middle class" here, especially to support those many who have great ideas for something to add to the community, but it it NOT a whole free standing app for thousands. I find myself increasingly regretful that financial woes in the fall forced me to cash out about 6000SP. Oh well.

It isn't just the memes though, it is everything. With a decent middle-class, the memes would survive, as would all the other niche markets that they found interesting. Not as many massive peaks but a lot of spread.

Thanks for your complement

Completely agree about spreading the wealth a little. Seems way to much centralized power is granted to simple projects that should either be able to work, or not.

If a boost to get started is needed and they feel 500k SP is a wise delegation to get the ball rolling great. But maybe it should roll back 10% per month starting in month 3 with 0 delegation remaining by the end of a year. Or maybe 20% a month and none after the end of month 7. Something with a clear expiration date so the project needs to either sink or swim allow for new projects to be funded.

Plus honestly wouldn't the blockchain be better served with 5 delegations of 100k vs 1 of 500k? This would allow 5 projects to prove their worth and if one takes off and in some way needs more delegation then consider the larger amount.

Heck wouldn't we be better off with awards to minnows who prove they are producing quality content with 500-1,000 SP for a few months to give them the opportunity to continue growth at a quicker pace. Yes this would take some work to actually review accounts, but in the end we could promote some quality posters to having the slider bar and give them some power with expected guidelines about how to use the free delegation.

Long term gaining thousands of power users is much better for the longevity of Steem then having a small group of success stories IMO.

Plus honestly wouldn't the blockchain be better served with 5 delegations of 100k vs 1 of 500k? This would allow 5 projects to prove their worth and if one takes off and in some way needs more delegation then consider the larger amount.

Yes.

Heck wouldn't we be better off with awards to minnows who prove they are producing quality content with 500-1,000 SP for a few months to give them the opportunity to continue growth at a quicker pace. Yes this would take some work to actually review accounts, but in the end we could promote some quality posters to having the slider bar and give them some power with expected guidelines about how to use the free delegation.

Yes. I think this is what would happen if the right middleclass wwere supported anyway as they will find and help minnows grow. I do this already at my own expense, having steemit back me to both grow and expand the circle would be awesome. I think I have proven myself ( and there are many others too) that I am not going to scam or sell votes or only vote on myself.

Steemit Inc could even do SP leases for Dolphins and below as a discounted rate. Allow for up to XXXX SP to be leased at say 400SP per Steem. Then burn 1/2 Steem that is paid to help control inflation while using the other 1/2 to fund other projects. This would help solve a few issues IMO.

First demand for paid upvotes would decrease as it would be more beneficial to rent SP then to pay for votes.

Second it would reduce demand for SBD as the demand for paid votes would decrease. This would help allow SBD to fall closer to the $1 peg rate.

Third it would allow minnows that are willing to invest into their accounts to have a more even footing in gaining exposure.

Forth the economics of holding SP would be altered greatly. Instead of being a printing press for investors they would need to be holding because they believe in and want to improve Steemit community vs just caring about their pocketbooks.

Just a thought, but it would be a major shakeup in the platform.

They are some interesting points I think. I wonder if people read? :)

Seriously doubt that anyone will see this as it's buried in comments, but feel free to use anything you think is useful for a future post.

Hello,@tarazkp i appreciate you steem delegation business ideals in helping community development and also in helping steemians grow. I am in a group on discord which is basically for Nigerians newbies. A whale delegated some sp for the group,so nice of him,and i wish others could also be like him, the group welcomes everyone. The issue now is more people come in day by day, and we need more sp in other to curate their post. With this you can get through to the discord group https://discord.gg/NWAkKfn .Thank you for having us all on mind to enable us grow.

I've often wondered about Dmania and thought about making an account with them. I see so many memes doing well that it kind of bothers me when a post I spend 2 hours on doesn't do well.

On the one hand, I know that it's easier to just look at a funny meme and upvote it.

At the very least it's interesting.

Great post....... really gave me a lot to think about.

They randomly vote on posts under some guideline. as far as I know, there is no manual curator there.

In that case it's worth it to post a few memes now and then.

Wow, I have never thought I would read such an in depth post that was talking about memes and their value, lol. I realize you were just using that as an example, though. Great article either way, Tara :)

I get what you're saying, pursuing memes is easy money (maybe too easy)..
But there needs to be a slightly lighter and humorous side to steemit and @dmania does it.
But I also agree that a 80$ vote for a meme is too much although I love watching meme posts

It is not that the content is valueless, but it is over-valued via the way it is curated.

It is over-valued, that's for sure

steemit is amazing.. and your post is informative. upvote and resteemit done

Excellent Post We always look forward to new from you

I'm not too familiar with all the projects that get large delegations, but I do think the concept of delegation is pretty cool if it can be used to create a more stable platform long term. What bothers me more are all the bots...
Thanks for your post ..............

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