Are we only here to feed the narcissists?

in steemit •  3 years ago

@dollarvigilante fan? Skip this post please.
This post requires an open, objective point of view before reading! You have been warned.

People like @dollarvigilante are a curse for this platform, but it requires to have an open, objective point of view. Don't get me wrong, the guy deserves all the credit for what he's accomplished in his lifespan to be clear.

But here's what he's doing wrong and why it could become the downfall of Steemit.

He only promotes or talk about steemit as 'something' to make a quick cash grab. Not one post has highlighted what steem is all about, the technical advantages, or the future it could be embrassing. I even dare to quote a line from his posts that almost made me puke

$15,000 later and it had caught my attention! Now, I
realize my popularity in the liberty and crypto space is what made the
post gain so much money in upvotes. But it was then that I began
really looking into Steem and Steemit.

So it took him 15k to have a look at Steem.
This means, if his post had failed, we would have never seen him again.

Every post contains **How i made XXXX $ in just XX hours time! ** Every post has **but i earn it, **
I'm not a one night success and how hard he worked to make those bucks.

Hold it right there and let me tell you something.

You are an overnight success on Steemit. Like said yourself, you didn't really cared about Steemit, you just heard of a thing where you could make some quick cash like you admited.

You did not work hard for the upvotes you got, all you did was post an article (Note: using a guide)

And yet, there you are, every single post rubbing into others users, community members, on how you got the big payout check in just a couple of hours, while some amongst them have been working for weeks to create for example a usefull tool, like steemstats.com, steemups.com, steemtools.com and many, many more.

Some of these guys only got 40-ish upvotes, yet everyone is using their tools they put their valuable time in.

Let's call it a form of sick narcissism. Rubbing it in people's faces. The big shot with the big dollars.

Let me tell you for a fact, the vast majorities input for this community outnumbers you by factor 1000.

Your only contribution so far, is making yourself look like a narcissist clown. Contribution that is. I'm not talking about the value you produce with your 'thousands' of followers. But here's what worries me about that one.

Are you promoting STEEM soley as a 'thing' where you can made huge amounts in short times? Is that how you want to promote Steemit? Is that how you lure people over here? To be honest with you, I'm not looking forward to have a flood of 'thousands' of people only thinking they can make some quick bucks.

This will decrease the true value of Steemit, getting rewarded for unique or contributing work.

But we need people like you afterall

Agreed. We need people with many followers to promote Steem for what it is.
NOT to have catchy titles, NOT to make them believe it's just as easy as you make it sound.

Stop promoting Steemit as the place to be for a quick cash grab and start promoting what it's really all about!

Now that would make your value also a contribution, an asset to this ecosystem.

Show you care about this community, support it with your 'wealth' instead of bragging about it. Support people who invest their time and resources to make this a better place and never really got a $ for it.

Create some super campaign with your 30k that you earned here the last 5 days. Do something.

But stop posting on how you made so much money, because it's a slap in the face for many users - and it promotes Steemit wrongfully.

This post is not written out of jealousy or envy. I'm doing very well on Steemit, and would like to explicitly mention that @dollarvigilante may even earn 1million as far as i'm concerned - he's doing a great job. I'm only expressing what i've picked up lately on several media and chatrooms.

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I've said it before: Steemit has a money mirage that constitutes its main unique selling proposition. What happens though is that it goes away, this mirage.
Yes, @dollarvigilante is making a ton of money in post rewards now, but if his 8th, 10th post is still "I made 15k in 12h", I wonder who's going to upvote him then? Not many I reckon. Same with the playmate, or anyone else. Moreover, they're gonna get #rekt for milking the steemers.
More and more VIP's will come to steemit and yes, many extraordinary posts that day are going to bite the dust being shadowed by that celebrity. It's the small price we have to pay to get Steemit to grow to the magnitude of FB, Reddit etc.

I know you're not upset or jealous about this. It's a valid point after all. I'm not upset either and I have a 5th of your steem and over twice the involvement from a quantitative pov (posts&comments). You're doing awesome work with the payment gateway.

In the end, it's got to happen. The exposure of @dollarvigilante's interview with @dan and @ned, the exposure the playmate created, and many others, are worth a few first posts that are well paid. After that, if they don't add real value, they won't get real value out of Steemit.

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many extraordinary posts that day are going to bite the dust being shadowed by that celebrity

Somewhat, but that is oversimplified and contributes to a zero-sum mentality. Yes it is true that the pool is literally zero-sum as long as the STEEM price doesn't change, but the effect is pretty modest. Currently the reward pool is about $100 000 per day. On the day he made $15K, approximately $85K went other posts. If you didn't earn, it is because your post didn't gain an audience and get votes. It is not because TDV took all the money.

In fact there is concrete proof of this. If I recall correctly, the very same day that TDV got $15K, the Playmate got $12K (sorry if not exact number). His success did not prevent her from also doing well nor did her success stop him from doing the same. And despite both of them getting historic payouts on the very same day, 73% of the reward pool was still available for other posts.

If your posts aren't getting rewarded, focus on marketing and promoting to develop an audience and improving the quality of the posts to increase conversions (how many people who see the posts vote for them). Pointing at someone else who is (in some vague sense) responsible for you not geting 15% of the reward pool rather than focusing on why you aren't getting a piece of the other 85% and what you can do to change that is doing yourself a disservice.

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That is correct @smooth, TDV's post didn't take all the money. The point was that if you hit your hard worked post in a day where a couple celebrities do theirs (or some new app comes on/gets updated), there are way less chances to get yours noticed. I'm not complaining. Used to when I was starting up on Steemit but not anymore. Perseverance is my motto now. Keep at it and you'll get noticed. Contribute (on steemit with posts, comments, curation, on steemit.chat helping people), grow an audience, and then you'll get noticed easier once you build your rep.

In this post @steve-walschot was bringing to discussion celebrities that do repetitive, similar posts, grabbing the attention on Steemit over the same idea over and over. I agree that we need to build our audience, but we can be easily shadowed by others who have a natural big audience. Yup, 73% was left. For 49.999 Steemians :)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining that I'm not getting rewards, that is not why I, and many other are on Steemit for as their main goal.

PS. Maybe I'm mistaking but the total amount of steem awarded in a day is 28,800 STEEM (?) which is about $ 56k at the current price. Not that it makes a big difference in what you said.

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The reward pool earns 2 STEEM per block, so that is 57 600 STEEM/day. A maximum of 25% of that goes to voters, but that is reduced in practice because authors vote for themselves (by default in the UI) and by the penalty for voting within the first 30 minutes. This might be slightly less than $100K now with the reduced STEEM price (though it was higher when TDV made his first post), but still reasonably close.

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Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying it.

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If you're ok with 2 posts receiving 27% of the daily award, an intro post and a playmate post, you're an idiot.

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You nailed it! Couldn't have said it better.

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What if those 2 accounts brought in 27% (or more) of the new Steemit users during that time?

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For crying out loud. Finally a post that bucks the trends, is openly critical and is getting some votes from whales. Color me surprised.

Hopefully this isn't a token post and we'll see dissenting views getting noticed by whales and others on the trending page as appropriate. I don't even necessarily agree with everything that is said, it's just the damn principle of the matter!

Reward people for spilling their heart sometimes, even if it isn't 100% what you agree with, it's healthy for Steemit for everyone to know they are heard and appreciated.

It's great that @steve-walschot has brought up this topic and that the community members like @anduweb can discuss things with him and give his perspective. This is the sort of discussion we need more of. We all don't have to agree, just don't be afraid to give an upvote to your "opponent" for a "good game"!

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I also like that people are able to disagree with one another without shouting profanities or belittling one another. It's really a platform that encourages debate. Not only about steemit, but multiple controversial issues.

While I tend to be more laid back and see things from both sides, I respect people that will speak their mind and be blunt and have a dialogue and that both @dollarvigilante and @steve-walschot can have their voices heard.

I think both users have the best interests of steemit in mind, but are approaching from differing viewpoints. If we were all unanimous in our beliefs, steemit would be an incredibly dull place.

I enjoy debating not just for the sake of arguing, but because someone respectfully bringing something to my attention has me actually seriously consider what they are saying instead of insulting me and making me immediately tune out what they wish to say and write them off.

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Can we get a woot woot?!

This is the community I desperately want to cultivate! Reduce the trolls, reduce the divisive rhetoric and hate. I know that is idealistic, but we have an opportunity to shape something that can at least be civil due to the incentives of being civil.

If we can strike a balance of being respectful of others while still being able to voice our opinions without censorship. My goodness, I think I just shed a tear!

We need diversity of opinion and the thick skin to let that diversity of opinion do its damage. The community will be the better for it as it tempers the culture here.

Guys, this Steemit idea can be huge if we cultivate the roots properly at the earliest stages.

Let's keep this moving in the right direction!! Following you three @bendjmiller222 , @steve-walschot and @anduweb . Excellent comments all of you!

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Amen! Woot woot!

First let me say a sincere thank you for your kind words and thoughtful response. I will certainly be following you.

We are 100% on the same page. The other important piece of moderating that needs to be addressed is the current flagging system.

There is no reason this post should have 3 flags. I'm proposing an idea that would force users to say why content was flagged and easily have a dialogue about it New Flagging Content Feedback System

I don't like that right now people can flag out of jealousy or disagreement.

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That's the dream. A censorship free network that can still self moderate.

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If the comment-section can keep this level of quality even with ever increasing number of accounts, steemit might be on to something.

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Nailed it.

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I made the exact same comment on another thread. So far I haven't seen a lot of trolls or trollish behavior. That alone is solid gold. For me, at any rate. Really didn't come here for an immediate payout, it just seemed like an interesting community just getting started, and that excited me.

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Exactly! To be honest, those who only come to make a quick buck are not really that valuable to steemit long-term. That is the entire reason that half of the awards are placed into steem power that can only be given out in weekly payment. People would gladly withdraw $1,000 if it was liquid, but may think about investing in the platform further if they only get weekly payments of $9.64 and it affects their voting power. It's an absolutely brilliant design.

And the reputation system aka "troll control" (I'll take credit for that name if nobody else used it yet) has silenced many users that were harming the user experience.

While only in beta, the minds and developers working in the background are leaps and bounds ahead of what we currently think of as a really great system that need a few tweaks.

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Finally a post that bucks the trends, is openly critical and is getting some votes from whales. Color me surprised

There have been numerous critical posts that have gotten votes from whales. It mostly depends on them being well-written and thoughtful.

The idea that critical posts don't get votes is dead wrong. A well-written and thoughtful critical post will get far more votes than a positive post that is of poor quality.

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@smooth is one of the whales I respect most. Always finding good content and making meaningful comments.

I do feel that positive comments get more upvotes, but that may simply be due to the fact that there are more positive comments than critical opposing comments.

With the reputation system in place I think people are being more careful not to offend do to the fact that you can flag content without giving reasons why you flagged it.

I think there would be more constructive criticism and respectful disagreements in the comments if people don't fear being flagged for their opinion.

I have proposed a flagging system with feedback that would force users to say why they have flagged content. New Flagging System With Feedback

I'd love to have some of the whales and dolphins comment, regradless of whether or not they wish to upvote it. I think the feature will add so much long-term value, that short term upvotes and dollars while appreciated and helpful will pale in comparison to the what is in store down the road.

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There have been numerous critical posts that have gotten votes from (a few) whales. It mostly depends on them being well-written and thoughtful.

I respectfully disagree. For the time I've been here which is merely a month, I have scanned the trending page every day desperately looking for others, like myself, that, unlike myself, had the influence to break in to the trending levels. While surely there are some posts that will get some votes from some whales, until recently, it is rare to see something critical make a significant reward. Numerous is an exaggeration.

And as far as well-written and thoughtful, I dare say that the recent posts with critical commentary are barely more than rants that hit the right nerve because many users are simply fed up with being ignored, insulted and marginalized for daring to have different opinions.

I do agree that a well-written and thoughtful critical post can get far more votes than a positive one that is poor quality. It is far more likely that a post that is positive, of the same quality as a critical post, will get rewarded by more whales.

Getting merely the votes of 100 non-whales isn't the difficulty, because they don't dictate the direction of the platform nearly to the same level of the whales. It's getting enough whales to upvote so that it gets to trend and get seen by more users.

Anyway, we can agree to disagree on this matter. What we can agree upon, I assume, and applaud is that there is vibrant discussion going on in the comments and it's been overwhelmingly civil. This bodes well for the platform and gives those of us that are not here to earn a living some hope for the future of Steemit.

We are sailing in the right direction.

And thanks for having these discussions over the last few weeks. I value your opinion on these matters whether we agree or disagree in whole or in part.

Cheers

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I make sure I always surround myself with good, down to earth, fun, real people, who always keep me grounded.
I can't get along with narcissists, men who think they are better than others. Bright red colour enters my brain and boils up when I meet " Show-Off's ". I had to learn how to calm down and shut up, knowing it is not my duty to confront them. Let them find out alone where life will take them with a repulsive attitude.
https://steemit.com/money/@mammasitta/why-did-i-stop-following-trends-on-steemit-and-rather-focus-on-topics-i-am-interested-in-looking-for-real-people

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that's what the world should be all about

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I agree with this post (though I am likely considered a baby beluga). It is an important point to be made. I do not disagree with @dollarvigilante deserving his first few k on here for posting that he is here, but making 3 meta versions of the same thing does take it a bit far.

In his defense though...this platform is ADDICTING. If you earn anything above the average on here you will be kind of foaming at the mouth hoping it happens again. So when he earned 15k like that it was likely kind of heroine-like. :P

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Excellent points fuzzy.

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And if others were to make even 20 dollars on a post, that is motivating as well. Very motivating. So instead of people piling on and padding his payout, they should be limiting that and voting for their fellow 2 and 5 dollar payout users.

If out of 15k , 5k went to dollarvigilante and 10k was spread to 500 users, that would have done much more good overall for the system. Dolla' gets more than enough motivation to keep doing what he's doing, and a lot of the base users get some reward for their time. Of course this is only if their content is upvote worthy. Not at all suggesting that people should get rewarded for crap.

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I've been on Steemit for just a little bit now, but it sure seems like discussion is open. Maybe I'm just so late to the party that I'm noticing the end of the trend you're talking about, like when I show up to a party just as everyone is leaving... QQ

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+1 on that

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Just imagine, in the real world this money is changing hands with no one ever seeing or knowing. These are interviews and content that would've generated revenue that isn't publicized. We should be celebrating that we're finally behind the curtain. I'm with @anduweb, if they do not perform, they will not continue to receive upvotes and value out of Steemit. And if they do, my popcorn stands at the ready. This is a wild ride.

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Exactly! Great post

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if they do not perform, they will not continue to receive upvotes and value out of Steemit.

However, we've seen time and time again posts that get handsomely rewarded for saying the same thing again and again. While it's not likely that he will get the 15k payout on a single post again, since he has now been hooked by the whales and followers luring him in to try and promote the site, he will still continue to get a nice reward, because some here think that his content is what will make them money.

It would be nice to know which users actually bring in the most new users that will actually stay with Steemit for a decent amount of time.

Will it be those that promote getting rich quick to people that will almost certainly not get rich quick, or will it be users that find content creators that are going to form the backbone of what makes something like this work.

Personally, I see someone getting 15k for a post and think that is like a pile on when you're playing football. Lots of people upvoting and rewarding past the point of reason. Meanwhile the share of the daily pie isn't going to the other users that certainly deserve the rewards siphoned off by the "big winners" of the day.

And yes, no matter what happens this is going to be a wild ride!

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These are valid concerns. I'm glad we get to ride together to see how ti turns out :)

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Agreed. This post does touch on an important subject for any product or service: public perception.

If the top trending posts are all about celebrities saying, "Oh, hi. I'm here to see if I can really make money," then they're rewarded by all of their followers blindly upvoting their post, they don't really have any added incentive to produce actual value. We get it - you have a big following. We get it - you can make a lot of money by posting about a sneeze from earlier in the day. The point here is to use that influence to add value to the platform, not to gloat about how easy it was to make a bunch of money.

I get the importance of a large following, but I also know that really good content is being drowned - and the "whales" aren't really helping with that.

Here's something that can add value to the platform in many different ways. Let's get more stuff like this and less "Look how much I made yesterday!"

https://steemit.com/anarchism/@ats-david/enriching-lives-through-the-power-of-steemit

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Jeff Berwick has been providing value before he ever joined Steemit. Check out the dollar vigilante and anarchast youtube channels. Sure, he's new and brings a large following, which is overall good for Steemit, and he prolly will not continue to make $15k on each post. But as long as he keeps doing what he's always done before Steemit, he'll continue to earn. His first initial posts are due to the shock of the overall earnings, and responses to the hoopla. However, as someone who has been discussing anarchy, capitalism and finance for years on his own podcasts and as a guest on many news channels and podcasts, I wouldn't cut him short. The only thing he has working against him on Steemit, is not everyone will identify with his topics.

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I wanted to share a video that Jeff posted on his YouTube channel where he interviews the founders of Steemit.

Also, Jeff knows the value of Steemit and respects it. He also knows what attracts people. Google had shitty looking ads in the beginning, but you knew not to bitch because it worked. What the technology freedom revolution isnt teaching is how to make money, and it's been a downfall of the industry for a long time. People like Jeff know how to make money. He never came on here to tell you how to run Steemit. He came on Steemit because Steemit allows him to be rewarded by being himself. He never lied about what he typed.
Anyway, Jeff is marketing Steemit. Let him. He knows how to market.
And if there is a section of Steemit capitalists, let the exist, Steemit allows for that.

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I'm sure he'll earn on steemit and immediately reinvest money earned into Bitcoin, gold, and silver.

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yeah...people with sufficient funds ho ant to change the world....should help create noahs ark...

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He won't be converting it into USD that's for sure

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And this comment my friend adds real value, Which is why you've been paid so handsomely for it.
So,

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hahaha. Thanks man. I've always tried to share my opinions and add value around steemit + promoting it. All earnings from that comment will go into Power Up anyways.

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Very good points! People around here seem totally oblivious to the fact that mainstream exposure is going to bring a bunch of stuff into Steem that we haven't seen yet: advertising, political propaganda/campaigning, and like the OP pointed out, narcissists. Every time I bring this up, I get a response something to the effect of "I hope we can keep that stuff out!"

But the reality is that we need all of it! Advertising and politics will bring much-needed money and finally silence the "ponzi" criticisms, and as @anduweb points out, the narcissists will bring their worshippers along as they go through their massive and spectacular flame-outs.

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I feel that steemit rewards people at the beginning for their effort and then slowly forces you to create better content and try new things.

Early success (even just the .09 cents from @stellabelle) when I started was the only reason I stayed. It made me want to become a better writer and create content that would engage, entertain, and make people question their beliefs. #secret-writer was the first postthat really made me believe in myself after I saw the amount of positive comments and knew this was a community that welcomes raw and honest work.

Much of Instagram and Facebook (while I use both) is sugar coated and made to look like everyone is having the time of their lives. Here, there is much less judgement and I have been able to share my feelings without fearing someone will troll or respond in hate.

Early success is vital and everyone does have the ability to make great posts and make money at the beginning.

Being creative is really the only way for continued success and I feel @dollarvigilante has the marketing skills to bring people up alongside him since he is new and can help new people. As long as he will share his time with people from whales to minnows, I think he will be a great asset.

We are all constantly changing here from our very first post (if you stay the same, you will move in reverse). While not every post will be a home run, you can build up your brand and make a pretty consistent amount if people feel you put out great content each time.
A great example is @stellabelle always busts her ass and look at her results, they are consistently well liked.

Sustainable success won't happen without sustained effort.

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@bendjmiller222 "Sustainable success won't happen without sustained effort."

Is that quote your's or someone else's? I love it.

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As far as I know, that is a quote that is attributed to me. I didn't search it out on google, so i'd guess someone has said it before. I'd love to trademark it if it is available 😊😊

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There definitely is a difference between your first post and latest post on Steem! I sure there is more diversity of writing and opinion because a site about itself will only survive so long.

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I couldn't said it better myself and god knows I tried.

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I feel like it's the same with @anduweb, my first view @dollarvigilante surprised he can reach 15k within 12 hours and he first made the post and strangely again he just gives sites that he love ya I knew it was hers but I personally terjekut with the results he has achieved. whether he has a team in steemit or what is more interesting from him? perhaps only God and he knows :)

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I think one larger concern is that the more these posts are rewarded with STEEM and Steem Based Dollars, the more dolphins are created out of the very individuals who have no vested interest in promoting "valuable" content. In essence this is becoming a negative feedback loop in very short order if things do not change soon and that could become disastrous to the long term viability of STEEM.

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I like for a guy like dollar vigilante to have a lot of Steem power. I imagine he will upvote interesting comments and posts that fit his philosophy. He will become the anarchist curator to keep those post going. One way to to think about the dollar value of post isshoukd i give this guy more equity stake in voting and more incentive to support network.

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*"embracing" not embrassing

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It is true, the market adjusts itself. Profits are always decreasing logarithmically, in any industry, business or investment you make.

Every product/service has a lifespan, and if not innovated, it loses it's value via value erosion.

You have got me all wrong. If you think I am bragging about $30k, you don't know me. What I am, is a marketing expert. Headlines like what I put up got TONS of interest in Steemit. And, I mean tons. My FB feed is all Steemit now... 5 days ago there was none. People like to hear the 'get rich quick' story, so I bring them in with that... and then hit them with all the other reasons you should be on here... including in my post today where I said you should be on Steemit even if there was no $ involved. I have quickly become the biggest promoter of Steemit... I was on national radio in the US for nearly two hours talking about what an amazing platform this is. Do you really think I have been a net negative for Steemit? If so, you clearly don't understand marketing. Or maybe you do understand marketing as you've made some pretty good money by just bashing me...

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There you go again, full of yourself and being narcissistic.

You're doing a good job on getting people in - like said in my article - so no bashing involved here. Just advice why many people agree that you need to change the attitude since you act as a rolemodel for many new users that will be dissapointed when they don't get payed the big dollars like you did.

We share many life experiences, i'm a self made man myself. But, i stay humble. Always welcome to have a little chat by the way :-)

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@dollarvigilante last Post about getting rich in Steemit had a clickbait Title but tons of very useful Information in it. And it was very clear about to not get dissapoited when you dont make much Money with your first Posts.

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Well but really.

What you are saying is in my eyes a bit ...

let me try to find an analogy.

DollarV playes Lotto and wins 7.000.000 USD
Now DV makes a big social media campagin, that he won the lottery and everybody should play Lotto.
Ok, so everybody starts playing, NOBODY wins.
So in this Lotto Analogy, the people still keep playing because they know, the chance to win are not so high.

If people come to Steemit and think that everybody can make a killing just joining and posting that he just had a smoke and a bagel and spilled coffee on his jeans, well than i have to say, these people are just stupid, because nothing in life is free, and these kind of people will never make it on any platform anyway.

So i say, get everybody in, the ones not making it, will be washed out again. but that's fine !

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"Can we all just get along" - This meme is certainly returning with a vengeance at this time ô¿ô
Let's try and keep the "wealth" aspect on the back burner for a while. Facebook went public at ~$30.00 and dropped to ~ $17.00 in the months that followed. Everyone bashed FB at the lows and proclaimed it to be doomed. Meanwhile FB climbed back up past the IPO price, the Winklevoss twins settled with FB / Zuckerberg .... and did what?? Bought the schitt out of bitcoin!!! Ain't Karma grand? Oh, yeah, FB is close to an all time high right now......

Question? If Donald Trump came here to steemit and did a somewhat epic intro and Tweeted it to the world identifying steemit, how much $USD would that post make? How many people of ALL ilks would join this community? Personally I think Jeff Berwick is a pretty awesome gutsy guy. But he would be a smallfry if Jay leno / Jimmy Fallon / Bernie Sanders / Ron Paul / Steven Hawking showed up here ~~

Soooo have we got the "big bucks to the newcomers" syndrome out of our system? 'Cause I have a feeling some mega rich posters are going to make some serious coin in the near future ~~

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i love this discussion .. :) I've upvoted your posts before @dollarvigilante as well i've voted your posts @steve-walschot. IMO you both are bringing much value into our system anyone of you in his own unique way.

  • One brings value in terms of PR and Marketing
  • Another brings value into with developing skills
  • and a 3rd person is able to write just amazing stories

At the end of this day .. we are all here to achieving the same, don't we? Do make a good living from what we are liking to do most and to work on issues this world is facing together, like censorship, surveillance, just to name a few.

If we are able to give us our hands and moving forward as an alliance to make STEEM
what it is to supposed to be ...STEEM will be able get really successful!


What have you done for Steemit? I upvoted this post btw. :P

just take a look at steves blog when u get time to - he is working on a payment solution to integrate SBD payments easily at your site, wordpress blog and so on. IMO really a project u should watching tough.

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I think these kinds of discussion shape the platform and the users. its a win-win.
Many users realize through the discussions, that we are at the tipping point of building the future of Social Media here !

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Well said. These are healthy discussions for the benefit of the system.

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Yes, is it not refreshing in this day and age?

We can have discussions without worrying about triggering people and, god forbid, offending them.

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Well said

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OH , How do I enjoy such healthy discussions helping to shape this community. My comment follows . my down-vote as well and why

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Man, did I wake up to something this morning. Didn't think the comments discussion would pick it up like this and it's awesome. Love it when they do!!

@dollarvigilante: i completely understand where you're coming from. Besides /sex/, money is the best bait nowadays. You discovered Steemit and now you do the next natural move every steemian does: doing your thing to tell others about it. Nothing wrong with that. Everyone who's jealous on your earnings should do everything you did pre-Steemit before complaining that they didn't get 15k on their introduseyourself post.
Also, Steve wasn't bashing you. He really wasn't. He just put out an opinion that might be going through the minds of many people around here. Nothing wrong with that. Tackling this stuff, being open, transparent and collaborative helps us grow as a community.
Jeff, I thing you're also going through the first week process of every newcomer to Steemit:
You're over-hyped about the possibilities on Steemit and trying to use this momentum to get more people on and get more attention. That's normal. I remember my first week. Had 10h of sleep altogether haha.
I do hope you'll learn from others' experience and jump over the Quitting part. All your work and experience before you found out about Steemit is great and it's great you're here. Keep contributing, promoting Steemit, bringing even more people and we'll all grow together.
I remember something Dan said in one of the first interviews about Steemit:

One of the goals of Steemit is to be a place where valuable content can bring a constant revenue for authors and contributors.

So everyone will 'port' their blogs, shows, art, music etc. to Steemit and keep them here only. That is the ultimate goal I think. Independence. And we're gradually growing towards it.

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What have you done for Steemit? I upvoted this post btw. :P

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If you look through his profile you can see that he is developing for Steemit as well! Steempay.io is what he is working on. :)

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Now don't be mean now. He's using your name By make some money too. None the less your bringing many new talent. Your success travels with you. So again big fan keep it up.

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Both sides with interesting arguments here.

I guess time will tell, keep posting the good content @dollarvigilante :-)

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...marketing expert...biggest promoter...national radio...not narcissist...

(This is sarcasm)

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Or maybe you do understand marketing as you've made some pretty good money by just bashing me...

You call it bashing, and I call it venting frustration and you are the poster boy and lightning rod for that frustration. You are someone we can both love, and love to hate. I don't think you are a net negative at all, and I'm sure many others don't feel that way either. You are the hot topic of discussion so naturally you're going to get some heat for what they think you are doing that isn't positive for Steemit.

You're doing a fine job overall, in my opinion, and due to your influence I think many of us want you to be able to do it even better. So you get some bashing/venting sent your way * shrug * Comes with the territory doesn't it?

Anyway, I'm glad you're aboard and look forward to more of your posts. Hopefully with less - not demanding none - of the braggadocio that makes the site look like a 'get rich quick' scam.

Thanks for listening

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I did read your post today...... Kind of why I responded about how you are marketing the same way steemit has been marketing

Regardless of my view on the marketing, it is hypocritical you get called out for doing the same thing everyone else has.

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Hi, in my opinion I think @dollarvigilante is right, I would define it as Affiliate marketing and @dollarvigilante is in this case acting as an Affiliate attracting a lot of customers to this platform, which for me is very good.

I don't think he is promoting Steemit in the way that you describe as "quick cash".
Steemit is growing and its growth is crucial to its success. He can promote Steemit however way he wants, he has a lot of experience in cryptocurrencies from before, who are we to question his ways of promoting a platform?

While I agree with you that I wouldn't want a mass of users just trying to make a quick buck, trust me that most won't. Most of those users are easily see-through and won't get too much attention.

That is not the case about him though. He is offering his fanbase a gateway to Steemit and help. Doesn't mean just cause one or two of his posts are about how much he made, that that's all he will be talking about forever. And about his users, I'm sure there are all kinds of people, just like everywhere in the world.

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Good stuff!

He is bringing in more if his fanbase..and they bring in theirs. It's not all AnCaps either. Good content from different people.

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I question everything and I question anyone who flaunts money and writes stupid nonsense like that and call it talent, I don't care if you got a million dollars, that's the stuff imbeciles are made from.

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Well written post, but i disagree. i have some friends who joined after seeing that i made 5K with one post.

Even he is writing about the cash, the fastest way to get people in, is to play the greed card.

He will bring 10x more users to the platform, than saying "yeah its so great, technically its better than XYZ" nobody cares.

So for Steemit, its better at this moment, that everybody has $$ in his eyes, than and there is a gold rush, as there is a thing called conversion rate.

Lets say he brings in 50.000 Users. maybe 3000 will stay.
that's still better than bringing in 10000 users and only 1000 will stay.

And you cant blaim him for branding himself for the person he is. that's how he got successful, and he shouldn't change himself.

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Yep yep. ;)

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;)
just to make everybody feel better.. i am in cryto since 2012 and i never heard of the dollarvigilante before...
dunno, i was maybe to busy setting up a miner farm ;)

anyway. both of you are good in getting the masses to move.

you OP with your populist post and DV with him, just being him ;)

i think, we need 10 more DVs, so the masses come into the platform. i explain to everybody, listen, i spend 7 days trying, than i got my first 5K post. after that i struggled for a while, but i had small hits with 200$ or 120$ etc. (today https://steemit.com/food/@knozaki2015/britafilters-hacked-read-the-whole-hacking-story-steemit-exclusive this one is up to 1000$)

So my take is, the people come in greedy, and they stay because of the awesome concept of Steemit.
If they leave, its fine because the ones leaving, would not have stayed in the first-place, even if we told them to come to Steemit because of its great content or technology or whatever.

So stop your little chicken fight you too, you are both right ;)

I agree with you Steve. I can see it from both viewpoints actually. I think what is required of dollarvigilante is more depth, more humility. Many of us, myself included, give others Steem dollars on a daily basis. I am doing a daily service for minnows who have no traction or cannot post their intimate stories on their own blog. I pay people every day for their secrets. Meanwhile, I'm sort of old news in Steemit as far as the whales are concerned. This is to be expected actually since they heap money on those with tremendous followings. But it's also short-sighted because the workhorses continue working, day in day out, and they are the true backbone of Steemit. When this happens, it's time to move into the next phase of strategy. I would like to see dollarvigilante's ideas of how he can transfer his wealth to others and what that system would look like. The whales transfer their wealth to others daily. I do too. This is an expected thing of whales, to transfer energy, wealth and reputation to others, in a constant way. That's being part of a healthy ecosystem. Just raking in easy cash and telling people they can do the same is not sustainable.

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Just raking in easy cash and telling people they can do the same is not sustainable.

The point is, he's telling people that they can do the same only if they are ready to follow his entire path. You cannot expect to take the upsides without going through the downsides first. For me, this is the essence of @dollarvigilante 's message and I find it very uplifting.

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I am glad you decided to write a long comment! Bravo, totally in agreement, we are not here to hate on other's people success we are to push for everyone's success, for everyone who spend time and energy on steemit, for steemit, each with his own talents, experience, expertise...

We're in it together and we should not forget. From minnows to whales.

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@stellabelle I was looking for your comment! :) I agree to agree with you. I am still waiting for Jeff to give back some of his "hard-earned" cash.

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I am still waiting for Jeff to give back some of his "hard-earned" cash.

What's wrong with you people? It's his reward, not yours. He owes you nothing. If you keep perpetuating attitudes like these, everyone will lose and Steem will indeed crash.

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steemit will crash if people come here just for the "cash". It's more than a platform to earn money.

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Indeed. Also to realize that value is subjective and these pissing contests that have started are going to get worse.

Some will come for the 'cash'. Some will succeed. Some will leave. The platform will remain. The value will remain subjective.

Pissing. Contests.

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It's more than a platform to earn money.

Exactly. So we just need to accept the fact that some people will earn much more than others and get over it.

Steem is not meant to be fair in terms of effort. It can only be fair in terms of mindset: only people who appreciate the opportunity to be rewarded will succeed here. Those who demand rewards or are constantly upset about Steem being unfair or rigged, will fail.

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@innuendo Jeff can earn $1b as far I am concerned. I couldn't care less. He said he is going to upvote any of his fans that join steemit. Dunno if he did that. I don't have to keep up with Jeff. but flashing cash like he did and using a title of article that is totally misleading, I can't accept that. It's like the spam email that I receive each day. "Would you like make $3000 in one day"

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Hello Stellabelle,
great post and i think you nailed it.

i started giving 10% of my earnings out (https://steemit.com/giveback/@knozaki2015/paging-all-fellow-steemians-let-s-give-back-part-of-our-earnings-to-make-steemit-better)

i would love if we could have a chat, are you on steemit chat?

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Thx!

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i just upvoted @stellabelle for the first time

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I agree wholeheartedly, @stellabelle. I would love for my project to be picked up by some whales. Any idea how that could happen? I'm just a minnow, but I have big plans.

https://steemit.com/anarchism/@ats-david/enriching-lives-through-the-power-of-steemit

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@stellabelle I was a bit turned off by his latest post of holding cash, etc etc. There were good tidbits of creating good posts, so I did give an upvote. But I don't think that type of marketing is sustainable long-term My take is that Steemit is a place for conversation, and a place to connect. Anyone who sees it only as a way to make money will probably get frustrated as rewards level out for them. I talk about this in my post: https://steemit.com/steemit/@professorx/a-penny-for-your-thoughts-are-upvotes-worth-usd-01

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Anyone who sees it only as a way to make money will probably get frustrated as rewards level out for them

But that's perfect for all those who are here who see Steemit as a place for conversation and a place to connect first. Let nature weed itself out and the Steem drop under half a Dollar. They'll come back later. Meanwhile, we figure out how this thing works and build a community.

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@stellabelle thank you for supporting minnows its awesome of you

I make a post and make good $$ because I'm semi-famous.
I'll make one when I tell you how I made $$ fast. [ this one makes $$ too]
I'll make another: don't hate me because YOU are a loser. just write better [ smiling all the way to the bank]
I'll make another: how do have my success! a GUIDE! [ selling like hot cakes]
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how I wrote a book with my first 4 posts on steemit: only 9.99$ on amazon.
ugh!!

But ok, is that on him or on us for voting?

[ i honestly like dollarvigillante and I don't think he's bad for steemit in any way. I'm just wondering if that's a good trend to establish here...]

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This. People like his posts because they think the payouts will blow up for curator rewards, and they do. While he may be providing excellent content on national radio or on youtube debates, his articles thus far are strictly money grabs. But whatever brings more people to the site is ok in my eyes.

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Within reason. Just bringing warm bodies isn't enough.

California was originally an unpopulated and largely unknown territory. It really only took off when gold was discovered in the foothills of the Sierra. It was the gold rush of 1849, where people migrated by the thousands to strike it rich. A few did, but most did not.

However, an odd thing occurred. People liked the area, weather, opportunities, and community. So they stayed.

Today, California is one of the most progressive, innovative, powerful, and incredible places in the world. All because people came out to "strike it rich."

So Steemit, could be the next California. Early settlers come to make their fortune, but most will realize it is not to be. Then stay to be part of the community and gain different benefits and maybe a new place to call home.

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HISTORY!!!

Flagged because this is redundant Steemit circlejerk. I support the idea and I even ended up downvoting @dollarvigilante's latest post, but capitalizing on Steemit circlejerk with these posts is wrong. Let's upvote all the great content that brings new value to Steemit (and I can assure you there is a lot of it) and not dozens of posts that talk about nothing but Steemit (positive and negative) every single day.

Hey man great post! Ok, now let's take this for what is it worth.

TDV is powering up his rewards, a big part of it, because he believes in the huge potential of the platform. So, it's not a money grab.

TDV is educating himself on the platform so he can promote steemit through his media interactions. Right now, the story is his success in such a short time on the platform. That's the reality of it. Let's just roll with it and see how it unfolds.

So,lets support TDV as he sets out on this journey.

Are you promoting STEEM soley as a 'thing' where you can make huge amounts in short times?

I think you completely misunderstood @dollarvigilante 's message. He said just the opposite.

All he said is this:

  • Steem is great as it allows you to leverage your existing reputation.
  • On Steem you cannot expect to make big money quickly, unless you already have a reputation (and reputation is earned through hard work).

So no, he's not promoting Steem soley as a 'thing' where you can make huge amounts in short times. He never said anything like that. This is just how you interpret his message.

Your interpretation of @dollarvigilante 's message is flawed, not the message itself.

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I don't begrudge anyone's success on here but I have to say that history shows us that there are plenty of people who work hard and don't end up successful as well as many successful people who didn't work hard. They do correlate sometimes though.

Yeap, just the other day I was thinking that it would be bad for steemit if only celebrities were getting good rewards, then again its up to us (the users) to vote for whoever we want, if we all vote for celebrities then that is what we are gonna get...

I said it before and I'm gonna keep saying it until people get the message. Shit content is not being voted for because people like shit content. Shit content is being voted for because the INCENTIVE for voting is BROKEN. People are "sport voting", not voting out of sincerity. It's polarising. It causes a figure-of-8 feedback loop. Dollarvigilante could literally post a photo of his shit, and it would be upvoted to oblivion. The solution is also very simple. Voting for someone with a track record should reap less rewards than voting for someone unproven.

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It's not letting me vote for this twice. I think I should follow @condra.

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I much prefer Steemit be a platform of a bunch of new fucking nobody's than a handful of people who have got rich off of false illusions (in the sense that certain things are made to appear easily obtainable if only do you XYZ like I did) and the gullible. Otherwise, this is going to turn into one big fucking sheep fest around here in my opinion.

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Jeff Berwicks post had a really great quality... I enjoyed reading it... And I am one of the 0.18 cents earners... I think he deserves it for the article and double the amount for his immense help in opening the mind of a lot of people who think Steem is a scam.

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Dollarvigilante could literally post a photo of his shit, and it would be upvoted to oblivion

I get what you're saying, but you can't honestly believe the line above. Surely you have more faith in the Steemit userbase?

Personally I'm certain that if Jeff, Stellabelle, Dan, Ned or anyone else posted a literal shitpost it would not be met with hundreds of upvotes. It may be upvoted by a few minnow Steemophants ... or scatophile's though. ;)

And again, I get the point you're making, but I disagree vehemently.

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Hey tuck. Thanks for your comment. I phrased that sentence with a fairly firm tongue in my cheek, a bit of poetic license. My point is simply that people are voting for what they think will do well, rather than what they sincerely appreciate. I think the overall system is working quite well, but could do with some tweaking to discourage this sort of "sport voting."

Stop upvoting stupid shit.

I've wrote in this hack's posts without much results, this platform is dead full of zombies trying to grab some quick money and apparently he's the new pope. Look at his last post, flaunting money like he's a rockstar or a gangster and people clapping and upvoting, giving him more money. Apparently we are now living in a world that completely support these kind of behaviors and think of them as "winning at life".

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lol that "flaunting of money" is the bolivar.... what he is holding in his hands is worth like 5 USD...

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Of course, you can hold 15k with one hand, it doesn't have the same impact!

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heh, lol, didn't realize that it was worth that little :)

I'm glad that you also pointed out bullshit behind this guy's post. I thought that I was the only one. Sadly, I'm not a whale so almost no one pays attention to my posts.
I wrote this criticism of him yesterday:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@logic/truckloads-of-pseudo-anarchist-bollox-my-response-to-dollarvigilante-post-called-if-you-get-angry-others-are-making-money-on

I'd like to add to this conversation if I may...

I certainly understand @steve-walschot point in regards to the image being portrayed by @dollarvigilante.

I also understand the value that @dollarvigilante brings to the Steem table in terms of his huge following, and the "ego" that accompanies his succes.
Deep down I truly respect and appreciate him doing this for the Steem community!

That being said, I would certainly recommend that if @dollarvigilante wants to show the Steem community, in good faith, a continuing commitment to this platform and not being viewed as just a "get rich quick scheme"; then it may be wise to power up and convert the majority of those earnings into Steem Power.
I honestly think that's what @stellabella and others were eluding at when asking him to "use your earnings to help spread the wealth to other "less fortunate" users who create good content."

Nobody has brought up the Powering Up aspect into this discussion (unless I've glanced over it?) so I guesss I'll be the asshole to bring it up :)

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I believe in the interview he did with Dan & Ned (or perhaps it was in the comments section) he stated that he has Powered Up the majority of his earnings after cashing out a small portion to verify it worked as stated.

This post perfectly sums up the transformation I went through over the last weeks.
I, too, was blinded by the cash and promises of fast and easy internet money.
But after spending time in the community, getting to the intricate details of the currency and platform, and realizing the potential of it all, I did a 180 and am now a staunch advocate of Steemit.

Don't care anymore if my posts do well or not, as long as I can contribute to make this a better place, I'm happy.

Doing things like the event this Saturday really gets my blood pumping, and showing others how a platform like Steemit can change society as we know it, is what gets me in front of my computer each day.

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That's the spirit, man!

More long term believers instead of promoting a get rich quick scheme. Telling you it's going to backfire as much as it promotes. There are other ways to get where we need to go.

Slow and steady wins the race!!

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I find it interesting that you joined for reasons of fast/easy money, yet you stayed here for other reasons. It's actually kind of cool that that type of recruitment can work. Thanks for sharing.

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It was not the actual reason I joined though. I've always had a passion for tech and crypto. So it was logical for me to sign up here.
What I meant to say was that my first posts were more about 'chasing the money' than actually providing value.

Only one word here Steemians...

AMAZING!

This has to be the best debate in a comment section ever :-)
Reading trough it all, many good things have been said so far.

There is no right or wrong, only good debaters!

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Yes! Right. and i belive we see more of this great bebates on steemit.

That wasn't first and most likely not last example of a big payout to the professional blog writer or any other media pro. We all need to accept the fact that steemit is still in beta. At this time founders + big investors are focusing on speading the news about platform to attract popular in media people.
Most of us started to blog on steemit...practice made master! keep up what you do and all will be good in the long run.
"want better... do better" "want more...do more"
Be yourself, love youself, respect others, Steem and let other to Steem!

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The first was fine. People seem to have drawn the line at the third post about the first post.

I'd like to promote The Free Thought Project as an example of an organization that is here for the right reasons. Their introduceyourself took nearly 10 hours to get noticed, because they didn't promote themselves or boast about their 1.25 MILLION Facebook likes as much as humbly explain why they have a lot of hope for the platform as an uncensored platform for independent media.

I'd encourage everyone to check them out and show them some love, because they are exactly what we need around here.

https://steemit.com/journalism/@tftproject/the-free-thought-project-news-and-journalism-joins-steemit