We are all cheering about the latest HardFork but are people using it correctly.

in steemit •  last year

This latest HadrFork has me cheering then feeling a bid lost, I am seeing so many people loving it and using it right then seeing others doing things I wouldn't dream of, maybe its just me being to touchy but if this isn't used properly we all lose out. At the minute using the new benefits we all have and being more careful about the posts we vote for and the % means we can give more to the posts we think deserve it whilst cutting back on posts that don't. Not that many don't but you get what I mean...I HOPE

I love what the HardFork has done for my vote, I feel more part of Steemit now, not that my vote is worth a lot its worth a hell of a lot more than it was.

A 100% vote from me will give you $3.69 where as before it was worth 14 cents
A 1% vote still gives you 4 cents
This is taken from Steemnow.com

I have seen a few things that have made me think maybe people are using this wrong, and maybe they are using for there own benefit. I am not naming names Just want to see what your thoughts were.

  1. How can someone vote with a 0% vote, I thought it was because they had ran out of power but when I checked they pretty well off with power. The lowest I can vote is 1%?

  2. Another member left a comment, they upvoted there comment giving them self $15, there comment was one line plus they never voted on my post, I went to check them out and every comment they made again not even a line they upvoted themselves $15 so 10 comments would give them a good daily rate. They had a whole load of comments they had made voted up. I left them a message but didn't get a reply.

Am I over-reacting or is there a problem with this. What's the point in voting others if we can make a good amount just voting for our own comments, why read a post and vote 0% surely its worth 1% even just for the effort.

I want us all to benefit from this Hardfork not just the select few again.

LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK


Thank you son-of-satire

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I do something similar with my comments. But the Hardfork will really motivate people to keep their Steem Power.

I do think this Hardfork makes things a little more difficult. As before I was upvoting at 100% pretty much everything on my Steemvoter bot. Now I've cut my Steemvoter bot down to like 5 people, and my curation will become more manual, and I will need to use the slider more.

I want to use the slider more so I can keep my voting power up.

But with this new Hardfork, it really gets back to what Steemit was originally thought of, as a way to pay ourselves for posting, and to earn a decent wage from it.

If you upvoted your self 10 times a day between blog posts and comments, you would be giving yourself about $30/day. And also really increasing your Steem Power.

Steem Power is much much more valuable now.

Yes, there are people who can upvote themselves with $50, $60, $70 upvotes.

But so what? Upvote yourself enough and over time you will be one of those with a $50 upvote.

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Its all about community if we all did that there would be No Steemit, reduce your voting power, I now vote with 30% allowing me to give more members better votes

Hey @karenb54, it does kind if sound like that person was being a bit selfish! On one hand I think people should be free to do whatever they want with their hard earned Steem Power. On the other hand I agree that this is supposed to be a community and if everybody only upvoted themselves Steemit would be pretty dumb. I try to upvote posts and comments of the blogs I read equal to my own so everyone benefits. I would never upvote a blog post with zero voting power and turn around and upvote myself to the tune of $15. Thanks for the interesting post and Steem on!

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Thank you, If we all did the same there would be no Steemit community, sad that people don't want to share more :(

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I hope there is not a lot of that going on.

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Me too, it would spoil Steemit

Well, here's a good upvote for you because you deserve it, and this post brings up an important issue.

Seems to me there is definitely some misuse going on at the moment... and whereas I could just dismiss it as "the inevitable greed of human nature," I also worry that it is going to hurt the overall community in the long run. That said, most of the witnesses don't seem terribly concerned... and they are the ones who (a) hold a lot of influence and (b) are invested in Steemit for the longer haul.

In a way, I do like the new voting power algorithm because it allows me (and people at "our" level) far more breadth of voting. If I see something truly amazing, I get to reward it accordingly with a 100% upvote, while I can still leave a "decent tip" for an OK post by voting at 5%. Similarly, I can now upvote lots of comments at 2-5%, acknowledging good community interaction without running out of voting power.

I remind myself that other people behaving badly is NOT an invitation for me to do the same... we can but "lead by example," or some version thereof.

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Nope I will not be following what they are doing, yes its greedy but in the end they will be the losers as members will catch on what they are doing and avoid them which is what I am doing, I won't vote on members posts when they act like this. And thank you so much :)

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When I see those shenanigans, I am starting to take a closer look at profiles... and if I detect ANY kind of "copy/paste comment spam," I'm seriously considering to start flagging stuff like that.

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I have never flagged , but starting to think about it, I dislike greedy people

Let the next couple of weeks play out and then we can decide. We are still adjusting to the game.

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I agree but we all have to help each other :)

We need people with Steem power to help keep Steem going by helping others up.

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And not just themself Thank You :)

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Steem only likely "keeps going" as long as the payouts are paid out. Payout values are based on the value of STEEM, and it is solely dependent on the price of Bitcoin. Three days ago I was thinking Bitcoin and Ethereum were "the big 2" but after I saw what the computerized trading wizards did to ETH on Th I have little doubt it will be dumped like shit through a goose when this fast money scheme comes to an abrupt end. So now it's just bitcoin that needs to be tracked. As bitcoin goes, so goes the price of every crypto. The windup? The bitcoin exchange services need to find a way to assure an open market as bitcoin is easily the most highly manipulated asset in the world right now. I'd personally be selling every coin I owned here now while volumes have slowed down to a crawl. The whales aren't in control this weekend. Not yet anyway. That gives the "ave Joe" a chance to at least get a sell order executed. If I had any STEEM I'd be converting to dollars by whatever means necessary too. I don't have to be concerned about it as I have none however. :-)

http://bitcointicker.co

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so you are saying that steem will shut down eventually?

couldn't agree more , we need to use our vote wisely and correctly. Thank you for this great advice @karenb54 <3

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Your welcome and Thank you :)

Great, follow me and upvote some of my posts if you like them! It's mostly music stuff

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I will be poppinf over soon :)

Thanks for this post. I'm a noob and hope to learn as much as I can and I think it's really important to keep people aware of things to be aware of on steemit. I hope things like this can get resolved to keep up the successful community

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Thank you I hope so too or we all lose out :)

Steemit has returned some power to the community and this is a step in the right direction. With greater powers, comes greater responsibilities. You can see the everyone is now more careful with their votes instead as mass voting. This will ensure the right people are rewarded in the long run. Ultimately, we want the best for this place because it is truly a true for everyone ... minnow or whales. It is just a great community! Love it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Just upvoted and followed you. :)

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Thank you, we all have to look after each other on here not just think about ourselfs :)

It seems like views and votes are down across the board! I could be wrong though about this as I have a limited sample size and may not have given it enough time.

It is likely this can be abused as in the case you mentioned above. I am not sure what the remedy is for this problem though

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I agree my votes are way down, I think members are scared to vote now incase they lose all there power :)

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Just use the slider peeps! I am curious to see what the average and median voting percentages are for active users!

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I am using 30% of mine which still gives out $1.07 better than 14 cents :)

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That's a whole lot better than 14 cents. I feel like before my 100% upvote was like $.04-.05, but now it is like $.90.. I would have imagined it would have only been around $.20

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Any improvement is good for the community as long as its used for the community , Thank you :)

That's totally what I've been saying, finally someone that feels the same way.
I even made a post about it if you wanna take a look...

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Thank you, I'll take a look now :)

Spot on @Karenb, I saw the same thing and thought it was a pretty sneaky idea! I mentioned it to another Steemian and he just shrugged; but for me it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Yes, and the amount for his one liner replies is $15.75

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Very sad when this is happening and not fair when us who haven't got as much are spreading it around and not keeping it to ourselfs. Its not right

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No accounting for people.... is there?

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Nope, sad really

Thank you for sharing! I agree with what you said. I think we have to get more for votes to make us feel really part of the steemit

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Thank you :)

Excellent work dear friend @ karenb54 as always very interesting your opinion, as I tell you, I am voting with a 30% with a modification and now start cooperating with people who support me daily with 100% of my vote and a Reesteemit, I know it's not much but it's a way to thank the epoyo for my work
have a beautiful day

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Thank you, Its great you are doing this, you have found what works for you hopefully I am not to far behind you, still trying to help everybody with the little I have :)

Very astute observations! In the end, I don't think it will be too much of a problem. A person can vote themselves full power everyday all day and their voting power will drop like a rock. Call it the brakes! Then they give themselves less and less ... so it's probably best for everyone to dial it down both on themselves and others, and reserve those big votes for the important posts and comments!

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Exactly, hope they learn a lesson to share more :)

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When their full vote gets pennies, they will start being more careful. I admit, I got a little upvote happy the first day or two!

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Yeah me too, I felt rich, I soon came crashing down lol

I think the saying, "With great power comes great responsibility," applies here. I don't follow or upvote others to see what I get in return but because I really enjoy their posts and musings. If we forget to enjoy ourselves on this platform we will see it more as a job than anything else. And I agree with you, let us all benefit from Hardfork!
It'll make everyone happy in the long run, and happiness is what life should be about like I just wrote in my blog.
Happy Friday friend!

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Thank you, we all have to look after each other or there will be no Steemit :)

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Exactly! :)

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Thank you :)

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You are welcome always!

Love your thoughts. Those that upvote themselves out of greed - if they are making a name for themselves based on that kind of action, I shall stay away as far as I can. I don't understand Steemit well enough - but I would have thought that here were safe guards in place, codified in code, that would prevent such abuse? Perhaps #steemitsupport has a view?

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We will see once his power starts to drop, when he ha no followers to back him up

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Yep - small gain - long loss...

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New mantra. Think before you vote

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Even twice... :) Also motivating, in my case anyway, to get to 500 SP + so I can assign a percentage to my vote. I do see many quality submissions and love to encourage more people by upvoting their comments.... [Sigh]

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I love to see people doing well and helping were I can :)

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PEOPLE who are secure always do! 😎

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We just care :)

I gave you a full upvote. I have been contemplating the same questions, and my vote is very similar to yours.

I have always been a fan of the ability to upvote your own comments. If you can upvote your comment, it will appear higher up in the comment section, even with a few cents. It might get more traction there. I believe that this is a legitimate use of Steem Power.

However,

Today I saw a comment with a self-vote of $100. Was this the best use of the rewards pool? No, I dont think it was. I would much rather see 10x 10% votes at $10 each go to minnows who have put out good content but are struggling getting views.

But really, where would that $100 have ended up before the hardfork? Likely, it would have went to a few whales, instead of going to just one whale...

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Very true but were would the community need if we ask did this, there would be no need to interact

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I do see your point, and this issue has always been there. Whales and large dolphins could always self-fund a good enough living where they do not need to interact. The hard fork has just pushed that ability down the ladder.

We could definately see less interaction, and sadly, there is some evidence that we are seeing less viewership as well. That could certainly be due to people who are just self-funding and no longer curating others..

It certainly will be interesting to see how this plays out over time..

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There are a lot less votes, members being cautious, hopefully that will ease of soon

I understand your sentiment about it being better for the community, but like you said it would seem that some do not seem to be using their "power" to help other.....just my $0.02 as a minnow

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Every little helps plus keeping the community active, without that Steemit wouldn't be the same

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that is true

Opportunities form great people, follow me and I follow you thanks

voting theirselves and ignoring others will make them lose many active followers
but they still not considering that today's newbies will become highly powered later and when this happen, it will not be good for the people who ignored them early
who agrees with me?

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I do, helping yourself is not helping the community :)

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sure
I learned an important rule
give the community, the community will give you more
just respecting readers' minds will make them respect you back

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Exactly, its all about respect :)

I still wait for my voting power to recover to 100% to know how much it gives:)

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Go to steemnow.com it will show you

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Oh, thanks! I'll check out:)

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It shows how much is it with my current voting power, far away from 100%:) Seems like I'll have to wait anyway, on a voting diet:(

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You best have a few days off voting, I try and stick to 30% just depends what I am reading :)

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It's damn hard not to upvote:) But I keep trying making it a few untill my power recovers:)

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I think I heard it takes 5 days to fully recover :)

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Oh, too bad:) Well, I'll give myself 10, with a few upvotes anyway:)

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Keep yourself busy writing posts, we should be able to earn more power

It seems that it should be made impossible to vote on your own comments.

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I agree, It needs sorting out

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I also need to tone down the amount of votes I give. Apparently I only have about 35% of voting power left.... which makes it 0.01 per vote. whoops.
Didn't understand that concept until now.

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Is there also a focus on posts that are flooding the wrong topics by using unrelevant tags to their posts?

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There's a lot of wrong stuff going on, hoping it will settle down once people get used to using there voting power

Nice i like it, also you can check my new photo works @pikto, thank you !

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Thank you :)

I too made a post on self comments upvoting.

No one bothered.

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We ca say we tried when it all goes wrong :)

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Yes we did !
:)

This post has been ranked within the top 50 most undervalued posts in the second half of Jun 23. We estimate that this post is undervalued by $58.72 as compared to a scenario in which every voter had an equal say.

See the full rankings and details in The Daily Tribune: Jun 23 - Part II. You can also read about some of our methodology, data analysis and technical details in our initial post.

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Well of course everyone can do with their vote as they want but it seems to me that if this is all someone does then they are not likely to get follows or votes from people like you or me for that matter. Then the only votes they get are their own votes. U can actually get MORE money out of uprooting others than by uprooting your own posts simply because you can get support from a lot of other people by interacting and supporting to an exponential rate of which accumulates over time.
So just remember karma is real. People that help and support will at some point get that help and support in return. People who are just self absorbed will not have friends or supporters.

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Very true, they will lose followers and respect, Thank you for visiting :)

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Exactly~
The truth always prevails~*~

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It does, just hope I get to see it lol

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Hope and dedication are powerful!

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They are indeed :)

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I am a newbie (well, older account but very recently decided to be active) so I still have a hard time wondering what everyone is talking about, but I guess I'll find out soon with enough time spent here.
Whatever it seems to be, I've arrived at a time where most people seem happy with how voting works. I have no idea how to control my votes and continue to vote whenever I like things (but now will be more careful).

Thanks for your post!

As a newbie I don't have the option of giving a % of a vote. A vote from me is a vote. Sometimes it increases the vote of the person I have given it to, but there's no change in their bank balance. Not my choice, and I don't know how that works. On fork day though, some of my votes were worth the grand total of 3 steem cents. Woo hoo! It's peanuts to many, but as an improvement on 0 or 1 cent I felt like I'd been promoted :)

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It will change as you grow just keep doing wharf your doing :)

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I felt the same way , most of my upvotes was a 0% to others and when my votes was worth a little over that I got happy :) @embracingchaos :) Hang in there ::))

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Thanks @westerngurl! Actually, I'm quite happy in my little minnow pool :) Gives me time to chill and just look around.

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You are Welcome my new friend @embracingchaos :)) Welcome to Steemit :) Love the way you think ::))

I Finally got around to this one :)) Thank you for Sharing :) I am still learning about all this but You always give Great Information , Thank you Bunches ::)))

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Thank you @westerngurl :)

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You're Welcome @Karen54 :)

You are not overreaction my friend :)) There is something fishy about that . That makes no sense to be able to get rich off yourself . I agree there is no point to read any others Hard Work , Which may deserve more then what yours does, but here you are getting rich off your own crap while someone who put a lot of hard work and lots of time into there's gets Zipp

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I read one of his wouldn't waste my time reading anymore, he will start losing followers, His fault for being greedy :)

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I agree :) When steem chat allows . I will like to talk more about it in private :))

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Ok i will test it when I get up :)

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Sounds good :) Have a great sleep :))

I don't understand the 15 dollar upvote on your own comment. I will make an exception for someone who is the foundation of steemit or someone who invested a lot in steem and has a tremendous amount of SP. I won't say that they are taking advantage because that path may be lucrative to some and is one way for steemit to grow. This whole situation has to be seen in a business model framework as well. The more your initial investment the more payout in the end.
This is disturbing to me only in the sense that newbies like me have a very difficult time reconciling their efforts and getting paid infractions of cents while there are posts from some routinely generating over a 1000 dollars.
That form of distribution is present in every aspect of life. The ones at the top don't necessarily do the best work but they understand and manipulate the laws of power. I am sure the system will be refined but it will always favor some more than others. I think that if a comment generates over a certain amount, it should be automatically associated with an upvote for the post.

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I still think voting your self up every comment is just being greedy, some of his comments were less than 4 words, that isn't worth £15 that's just greedy. I would rather vote for a load of people and make new friends :)

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You are right. I upvoted myself on the previous post just so that you get a kick out of o.oo4. I agree and thus if your comment is worth that much you must share it with the content you comment on .

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I don't mind anyone earning a few cents extra but €15 per comment, that is just plain greed

You make some very good points, it could seem very discouraging and counterproductive to what Steemit is supposed to accomplish. I am still a newbie, and maybe a little overly optimistic, but I think that over time, the person who only upvotes their one line comments will plateau. The person who reads the posts of others, leaves well thought out comments, and creates meaningful posts will continue to grow, and grow exponentially instead of flat lining. Not to mention how much more they will have gained in non-monetary terms.

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They will soon start losing followers as they will see how greedy he is. Keep doing what your doing making new connections you will soon be up there riding high :)

This must be the other side of the coin! It's sad people are just taking its share without thinking in the grow of the community. also notice my upvotes are worthing less this week, maybe due to the value of steem now.

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Yeah I can see mine reducing too, hope it doesn't continue

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Me too!! Probably tomorrow or after it will be better as it is recovering today!

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I notice it does go up and down, hopefully we are on the up tomorrow :)

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Hope so!! :))