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RE: A little credit goes a long way (UX/UI Visual Steemit Re-Design project)
Was there a reason given for not providing attribution on the subsequent posts? I don't see your request as unreasonable, given that they're what sugarsteem is based on for the most part, even with the changes, so I'm not understanding the reason for refusing attribution on each post.
It seems, though, that this is all stemming from the fact that you had other things to do and weren't going to be able to continuously work on things. Was that made clear upfront when you offered your services, that you had some other things coming up that would take you away from the project for a while?
I'm not sure what all others are going to think or say. Hopefully some discussion will result here.
this was a voluntary project, so its whatever anyone volunteers their time. i made it clear i wanted to keep working on the project because i enjoyed doing something for the steemit community. the other designer basically wanted to move the project faster and not wait until my schedule calmed down after a few weeks, which is fine - i am and never would be against that. but to move on, take my file, make small tweaks and then not even acknowledge my name in the post as a part of making that work - that just seemed ludicrous to me. The user profile page, and my blog/feed pages were not very "inventive" on the visual design part. but the home screen especially - i created some of those entirely new features on my own (UX + visual design), and built and designed it. so when my work is taken and the built upon, i just would like to be mentioned that its part of my original work. To me, it is like taking a van gogh Starry Night painting, changing the colors, photoshopping it to the move the moon around, and then saying "this is entirely my work, since I made these new changes". But it still has Van Gogh's work, and i think it is a disservice to not credit all authors involved - no matter if those changes were made 1 day later or 1 year later or 100 years later.
In the art world, if an artist paints a picture that a photographer took, they need the permission of that photographer, otherwise they can sue them. Even if they changed things and didnt paint it exactly, and changed some details (the colors, the clothes, etc).
The other designer finally edited the post to say earlier iterations were done by me, which is not exaclty correct for that homepage as I did the entire visual design (they changed the color scheme and made some additions, but it still looks EXACTLY like the page i designed and the file i gave them). I requested that the future designs be changed so it does not resemble my work at all, since they refuse to add my name that i worked on the design.
I did learn a valuable lesson here. I will never again share my editable files with anyone, as that is part of the recipes for a culmination of 7 years of higher education and 8 years professional experience.
As I said before, I don't see the reason why attribution is being withheld. I don't think it's an unreasonable thing at all for it to be there, especially as you've stated it in a reply to someone else. You have been a part of the project, you did quite a bit work and it is the simplest and easiest of things to continue to cite that work.
Your page looks exactly like my wireframe. Lol
I was thinking that too. And while if she is telling the truth, my heart is with her. However, I also am not so quick to judge the other guy a criminal with intent either. Yes, hopefully, some dialog can come of this.
When I started my comment, yours hadn't posted yet, so I didn't see it until after mine posted. You pretty much went over everything I did and more, and I probably wouldn't have left it had I seen it.
I frequently comment on the other guy's posts, and he's been nice enough when replying. I haven't offered much advice though, and probably wouldn't. UX/UI isn't something I know much about, though I do have some experience with design in general.
I do feel for her. I think she did good work, and I think attribution is as about as small and ask as you can get. I'm not sure how much changes being made affect that because the basic design exists. If he ended up overhauling all of that, well, that could be different.
At any rate, I'd hate to see this project stall anymore than it already has because of a lack of consistent help, which is tough since so much of what's happening here is in the development stages without, from what I can tell, any substantial funding.
No interest in stalling! This IS MY PROJECT. I asked for someone to assist in skinning the already process ven and vetted UI i created! Lol i will NOT have someone take credit for any evolution in my wireframes. That’s so rediculous lol
I wondered if you might provide the other side to this. Although, I don't know that I need to be in the middle of the conversation. :) So, for my part, I was seeking understanding. I tend to do that when something isn't making sense.
It’s like when someone in a group does 10% of the work for a class project and then calls themselves equals! This is total bs! I will NOT be working with her ever again. Fucking delusional
i never claimed to have equal parts in the entire process of SugarSteem. You did a lot of UX/UI before I joined in. I never said "give me 50% credit for the work I did". If you would like to write "@itinerantartist did 10% of the work" - that would have been fine with me (petty if you ask me, but FINE). I wanted validation for my work which is clearly still embedded in the designs. You are using boxes I drew, custom buttons and symbols I drew, and even features I ideated ("Featured Steemians"). If you do not use those things, then you no longer need to acknowledge that I worked on them. I hope to see your future iterations not using any of my graphics, as I said last week I do not want any of my designs in the project's future iterations and I do not want to be a part of a one person team.
She was credited on the iterations she did the work on. She didn’t on future iterations so i omitted her. Ita not like there is a permanent credit on every post for eternity. That’s so stupid
when you are clearly using my custom design elements and the organization of those elements done by me, not to mention features I created and visuals I made - then YES, you should credit that post. In the future iterations, if those are not used, no need to credit for eternity.
Sorry i won’t abide by your childish rules. This is my creation. Reread design series wireframes if you are confused
i dont think he ever had criminal intent. but i do believe he is disillusioned with what it means to give credit to people who worked on a project, especially if it is work with their design/artist/creative identity all over the project.
Last month a steemit user shared a border to help format posts, and when I used that border she created in my post, I credited it to her. And that was a small thing. The Sugar Steem project used my entire design in a post and refused to even mention my name. That is why it is a problem. If it happened to anyone, it should be a problem. Giving credit takes no effort, and is this case is nothing more than a "thank you for your hard work that I am using and building off of".
You reskinned a wireframe that looks identical. Lol are you joking
homepage hardly looks identical. profile page, yes. the homepage was a much more transformational design
One thing I am curious about - what would be telling the truth in this case? Or that you are unsure what is the truth? I do not want to accuse the other designer of malicious intent - only to express that he was refusing credit.
If the truth that you are unsure of is whether or not I did the work, I pasted the images in the post to prove the work in mine in my file.
I dont think there are any potential lies involved in this situation from either party, just a severe disagreement where they dont think they ever need to mention my name alongside the work I helped create/influence. I am not arguing that he didnt do work - he did. A lot. As did I.
Yeah, no offense. You tagged me. I don't know either of you. You told your side of the story here but I don't know or trust either of you. So you could making this up and taking the screenshots above. Understand, 3rd parties don't know what's going on. And people just don't trust whoever says whatever. I can go on my blog as say you both stole it from me. Great story. No proof of anything. And I'm sure some people would believe me. Further, you've not provided any evidence of conversations, chats, dialogs, agreements, emails, or proofs that your side of the story has any validity. So I'm just apt to stay out of your argument. I only chimed in with food for though to help you and others understand that there is a moral subjective issue and a legal issue. You were calling for bias, for people to take sides per se, but the unemotional literal fact is you just told a story of what you want us to believe happenned. But you neither of you have provided evidence. You're basically saying you made that. Which we can establish considering you were credited once. Beyond that the actual terms of your agreement could be anything. And he may have every actual right to do what he did— fortunately or unfortunately.
i fully understand. he was never claiming i didnt do the work - just that that work was irrelvalent to credit me anymore - i guess that is the main argument and where you disagree. i have many emails exchanged where i can prove i sent him the above images i made and his comments, the iterations i did, and him requesting the file. but i didnt want to post that bc i feared it would cause an all out war. if i blocked the name (although its silly because they can surely see it if sugarsteem is tagged), i suppose i could post it. if i post it here, the people following this post can see it...if i make an entirely new post i feel it wil definitely enrage him (he has a much more powerful account and whale friends - so i was worried about this). i would love to what advice you can offer me on that - you definitely have a level head and i appreciate all the advices and perspective!
These are just of when i emailed the first visual design to them. This was two months ago and before it was even called "sugarsteem"
I asked for someone to assist on skinning my wireframes. I’ve had 3 iterations of skinning. You never created the UI. Are you joking? Lol
3 posts is ignoring the fact that it included 12 screens, which each took hours to build. stop trying to diminish the work of others. if you read all my comments, i never once lessened the work that you did. YOU DID WORK. I DID WORK. stop diminishing those who helped you.
Well said!