More About the Promoted Posts and the New Voting Slider Feature

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More Tests of the Promoted Posts Feature

As I've already said the Promoted page is not working well apparently, based on my tests so far it seems that it is not working as intended as not a lot of people other than maybe some whales and users that also promote their posts check it let alone visit posts and vote or comment for them. I had my concerns initially, but my tests so far have confirmed that it is not helping much new authors to find more readers and to make their good content more discoverable... you can pretty much just score a Whale vote and that is what you will get.

I'm already starting to see that the amounts of SBD spent to promote Posts has dropped significantly as people see that even spending a lot does not work much. So at the moment you can get in the top 20 page of promoted posts with as much as just $10 SBD, but the more important question is if it is worth doing it... maybe if you are looking to increase your post reward you can try it. Remember that your posts still needs to be a good quality one or at least you need to be lucky to score a vote thanks to a clever title, interesting photo etc.

I wasn't planning to do more Promotion post test, but yesterday I have decided to give it one last try for now at least when one of my posts was selected by the @robinhoodwhale initiative, the posts in question is this one 5 Weeks on Steemit, Some Stats and Random Thoughts. This has quickly raised the reward of the post to about $10 SBD, but the more important thing was that there were instantly like about 100 more new votes. Some votes were from people like @charlieshrem or @dollarvigilante, yet there were no new comments and that left the idea that these people that voted did it just to support the RHW initiative and not because they actually read the post and maybe wanted to join the discussion. I have shared some thoughts about the RHW in the post's comments, so I'm not going to be repeating myself again here.


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Getting so many new votes, total of 142 and the post having already 15 comments published I have decided to give one more try and Promote the post to see if that alone will be enough to attract more readers that may be interested in joining the conversation (I was talking about the Promoted feature in that post as well). I have spent a bit over $20 SBD for the promotion even though the post was just at less than $10 SBD reward as I wanted it to be in the first 20 Promoted posts in general in order for more people to see it. So now, already 18 hours later after Promoting the post there is not much of a difference, it is a 150 votes and 17 comments, but pretty much nothing new going on for almost a day already. The only notable difference is that the post is at close to $60 SBD reward now thanks to a vote from @dantheman himself... my first vote from him, though he has dropped a comment or two under some of my earlier posts already.

So yes, the Promoted page might be helpful to whales to discover and vote for promising good content that they may have missed otherwise, but it is not helping the authors with more than just increasing the reward of the post... as I have already mentioned most authors that are not here for the rewards will not be that happy with the fact that they don't get more user attention and interaction from that feature. It is up to you if you want to decide to use it, but as I've said not much point for people that don't write here for the money or because of the money... It is good that at least the prices are starting to get to a more normal level (that was probably one of the issues preventing the Promoted page from being useful), so in a while I may give it yet another try, but for now I'll probably just focus on writing good and interesting posts.


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More About the New Voting Slider

Yesterday was a day with a lot of discussions regarding the new features to be brought to Steem and the announcement of the new Steem 0.14.0 Release Candidate scheduled to be available in a week. There are some new interesting features getting introduced, as well as what sparkled a bit of controversy - a change in how the voting works. This change could affect the more active curators as well as the people that like to vote for good comments as well as posts and can result in people generally voting for even less posts per day with new and not yet established users that make good and interesting content highly likely to suffer more from that change. It is apparently intended to discourage automated voting from bots that are being used just to game the system and earn curation rewards, but bots can also be useful and good if properly written to help (I'm already trying to do something for that with a bot I'm working on). What I know is that a person that goes through a lot of posts every day and votes for many will most certainly be discouraged by the new voting "limits".

While the new Steem 0.14.0 RC is not yet available and the changes and new things it will bring are not yet available, yesterday some new changes and features were introduced on Steemit.com. One of them being the Feed tab that is now moved to the Home link and also being the page you get when you open Steemit if you are logged in. Nice thing to do instead of seeing the trending page, but a bit confusing for people that were not sure what is going on initially until they figured things out. More importantly if you do not Follow anyone yet your home page being an empty one is probably not the best thing to have, so something probably needs to be done for that.

The other interesting addition, available to some users only, was the release of the Voting Power slider for people with over 310 SP (1M Vests)... this should be what previously only Whales had available. Normal users with less SP still have the same old voting button only. This new feature has probably been introduced to regular users with more Steem Power in preparation for the upcoming voting changes with the Steem 0.14.0 RC. The problem I have discovered however is that apparently the Slider does not work properly under IE11 essentially making users of that browser unable to vote at the moment (if they see the slider). When you click the regular vote button you see the slider, can change the percentage, but when you click to vote nothing actually happens. This is some sort of functionality bug under IE11 and it not the first issue I'm seeing that Steemit has with that browser.

Now, before you say who is still using IE11... well there are quite a lot of people actually, like maybe 5-6% of the total user base for most sites is probably on IE11. So a website such as Steemit that is targeting a very wide audience should not be releasing new features that are not properly tested and confirmed to be functional that instead are breaking one fo the most important functions - the voting. Sure, I can use another browser as I'm already using Chrome and FireFox for other things, but IE11 has been dedicated only for Steemit.com for me. I seriously doubt that a lot of regular users that have been used to working with IE11 for example would be willing to just switch their browser and what they are familiar with to another one just because they cannot use Steemit properly... I expect that many are more likely to actually stop using the service than to change their habits and try to learn a new browser. So please fix the voting problem under IE11 and please do test new features for proper operation under IE11 as well!


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I must admit I don't check the "promoted" tab. I stick to "hot" and "active", both of which require actual interaction in order to get featured.

Give it a few weeks, the price of the promoted articles might start to come down drastically, and things might change then.

I'll be givingit another try at a later time to see if things will change for the postivie and it actually becoming a useful feature...

what about this ...

some of the reward of the post, should go to the commenters on that post ... and the authors gets to decide who gets how % by upvoting the comments ...

just my $0.02 SD ;-)

well, just a small part, 10% or so and ... if the author doesn't vote for any comments ... it's wasted

as in ... I'm just thinking out loud, it's just that it bothers me that many authors don't upvote any comments, while they do reply ...

but ok, never mind, it's just a small annoyance

This could work, however imaging being a popular author getting hundreds of comments under each post... it would take A LOT of time to go through all of them and decide by voting on each and every of them how much they should get. With the latest changes about voting power right on the second post you will most likely run out of voting power and then what...

Commenting and voting should just be separate as they are now, you cannot force people to leave a comment in order to be eligible to get a curation reward... and leaving a comment should not mean that you actually approve or like what is written by the author of the post.

in fact ... the voting slider might solve this, now that people can give smaller votes, they might give more of them, right?

I'm doing 1% votes for now, I'm saving up ... I went a bit wild the last couple of days, I was down to 24%, so now I'm waiting for it to refill, on 47% now

I'm curious to see what happens when I do vote 100%, while 100% full ...

Yes, the slider can help... but votign with the slider actually takes more time, especially if you want to give a different value for each and every post. I don't think many users will atually be willing to take the extra time required for doing that.

well, when you set it on 100%, you can basically vote 5 times, right?

while when you set it on 10%, you can basically vote 50 times, right?

so, people will set it according the amount of votes they tend to do daily,I guess ... because that's what I'll be doing

I think I'll set it at 10% default, use that 90% of the time, because I vote a lot, but when I do see some post that I want to give a little boost ... that's when I'll use the 100%, or ... now that I think of it ... my own post, haha!

Thx for the info

thx for the screenshots/details! ~

It seems that the Wallet menu has changed.
I want to transfer Steem Dollars to Steem Power but it's not immediately clear NOW how that is done. I did so a while back and it was easy to understand. Not now.

Haven't used that feature for a while as it takes 1 week for the conversion, I prefer to go through an exchange as it is much faster...

Thanks man, I was looking for the exact number of SP needed for the slider. Do you maybe have a source for that number?

Yes, @ned did give us the number in another post discussing the new slider yesterday.

I believe it's 1 million vests or about 300 SP

The excat number is 1M Vests which currently translates to about 310-311 SP.

Thanks for your analysis cryptos (following you now),
it seems to me that there is a very long tail of promoted content that don't break even which explain the drop. Needless to say that when something new appears it is normal to see a spike. Economically, for the ecosystem, it is still a nice feature, as it gives to the SBD one more direct usage within the platform.

Yes, the SBD used for promotion of posts getting burned is a plus, but if it is not helping writers to reach a broader audience then they will just stop using the feature...

Thanks for making the effort and sharing all your learnings of the promote feature and the new vote functionality. @leavemealone spent 199 SBD to make it to the top of the promote list today. I remember on the first day 78 SBD was enough to get this spot. The second place required only 48 SBD. Let's see how this week-end plays out, but yeah I assume most of the people here will not go to the promote section deliberately unless as you stated they have a vested interest.
@steempowerwhale 🐳
🌞 upvoting your lifetime dreams!

I'm starting to really regret that the Promoted page has replaced the Payout Time one... now it is even harder to discover good older content that you might have missed when t waspublished and the Payout Time page was helping more than apparently the Promoted is doing so far.

My latest post is right under yours in the image above. It's up to $14 now but I put $20 SBD on to promote it. Just to break even I would need a payout of nearly $60. It was interesting to me though that my $20 promotion was so close to the top of the feed. Yesterday I put $18 on a post to promote it and it was about 30 posts deep on the promoted feed. People are obviously not getting the results they are hoping for. That said, my $18 promotion may have led to the $225 payout on that post. So I guess you win some and you lose some. But that's not factoring in the new followers I may have received through this latest promotion. I've burned or powered up all my SBD now, so won't be much post promotion on the next one.

As I have explained what I'm currenly seeing is mostly a few Whale votes on promoted posts and that goes of course only if they see the post as a good one, so these votes are not guaranteed. Maybe just a few "random" additional votes, but not much changing in terms of followers or even comments in the post. So I'm assuming not much people actually read the Promoted posts... still wanting a post views counter added to Steemit ;)

Ah, yes. A post views counter would be great.

Thanks for explaining the glitch with IE11. I plan to add it to the list of glitches in the next edition of the Steemit Wish List. Could you please keep track of this issue and let me know once it is fixed, so I can remove it from the SWL once it has been addressed?

Unless I totally give up on IE11 for Steemit I'll need to keep track of it as I cannot vote until they fix it... so I have to switch browsers just to vote, not sure how long I'll be willing to do that before giving up on IE :)

Hehe. One other suggestion is to open a GitHub issue for it.

Steemit should really adopt another way for users to report issues and bugs apart from using GitHub, it might be fine for programmers, but there are a lot of regular people here that may find an issue and want to report it in an easier and more importantly familiar way.

Good point. I'll add that to the wish list too 😀

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