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RE: Epic Reward Pool Rapist @Grumpycat Unveils Fascist Roadmap
I was planning on doing a post about this. Buying votes its like self calling you blogger of the year. To browse trending amd find content just like this contentjunkie's post, and to read the post and ask yourself "why does this has so many big votes"?
You check the voters and voilá, top 6 voters are bidbots.
This sickens me, sub par content getting 300+ in rewards and for what? A sub tier rant?
"This sickens me, sub par content getting 300+"
Do you get sickened when you see an ad at the top of a Google result? I bet not. Your envy is what sickens you. You can purchase votes too if you wish to promote an article. Don't let envy make you twisted and bitter.
"Buying votes its like self calling you blogger of the year."
No, it's not like that at all. It's exactly like advertising, you know paying for exposure.
Yes!!! You are a commercial on television. I just hit fast forward. It's a dying business model.
Those minnows buying votes aren't getting exposure! It's a scam! You're simply regurgitating their narrative as if you're the PR manager.
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I read your comments here and I like how you think, seems like we are on the same boat. Started following just for the sake of reading your content. Happy new year.
I'd much rather be busy working on my own things today. After watching these people battle it out for so long about who's version of doing things the wrong way is the best way to do things the wrong way, I guess I had had enough.
Happy new year to you as well.
Well this is definitely a good thing to come out of it, Eric is awesome:)
Aw, two of my top favorite people on steemit meeting for the first time, makes the bad stuff going on not matter so much.
(My first day really back :)
Do you really want this place to be pay to play? Steem has so much potential and this type of thinking is what is preventing it from being actualized. I'm a bit of an idealist really. Something romantic about a platform where, in theory, everybody has an equal voice and authors are rewarded on the basis of QUALITY! If you create quality, you will be rewarded. Sounds good in theory but where did we go wrong?
I, for one, have said it once and said it again that I have ABSOLUTELY no scruple with a 0 SP user making a hundred dollar reward if they produced something exceptional.
But the problem here is you have a slew of scammers that are getting rewarded through employing "advertising" services for nothing exceptional. It's a damn shame but it is quite reassuring to see more people that think like I do being more vocal about this issue.
What if you could pay a "service" to give likes to your Facebook post? Perhaps, there is and I wonder how you would feel about that. These tricks are used to confer to the material an artificial quality, perhaps a semblance of quality or popularity but, more often than not, it's just hype. We have reduced a potentially much more inspired blogging community to a sick sort of cash grab for those that whore themselves to (deceptive) marketing tools.
In the process of creating something that will help through incentivization of good flags and have started a no self voted promotion service. These things may help but to effect significant change in the current design would require a change of heart from the top down.
But how does one convince the one that has the gold egg-laying chicken to give it up for the greater good and therein lies the problem. If one bid bot stops, they are going to go to another.
If the community were to get behind an antibidbot (one that targets posts stilted up on paid upvotes), then there may be hope yet. There are also a less drastic approach I am considering and that is we create a new Steem front end that specifically filters out self voted and bid botted posts. They can play in their own echo chamber. We don't have to play ball. We just need o collectively opt out of supporting them and I believe things will change.
@br0, I'll keep on keeping on. If we all work together, we can change this place for the better. I'll do what I can
Don´t take it personally man, I´ve seen your content and it is good, but this post is highly overvalued. And not overvalued by organic votes (which then the community is the one deciding it adds value to the platform) but by bidbot votes.
Yeah, I get sickened by toutube adds not letting me watch a video, i get sickened by google shoving up my face a plane ticket to a place I googled, I get sickened by Facebook telling me to like something based on my conversation key words. So yeah, I get sickened by paid content on steemit, which is supposed to be free of all the centralized agenda from mayor websites.
I don´t feel envious, this comment as I said is not personal, If i wanted I could use bidbots on every post of mine and get them not to 300 but to 600, but i dont do it because if the community is not ovoting them high enough, perhaps it does not deserve to be up there, dont you think?
I know you don´t use them a lot (bidbots) and I´m actually not against using once in a while on e of them to give some visibility to the content or the message you are trying to get through, but to use 6 of them and get it to 300? Damn, you could use one and get it to 80 and this comment wouldn´t even be here.
If you want to advertise or pay for exposure, that is why the "promoted" tab is there, to pay for exposure. Bidbots (for good or bad, I´m not the one to tell) are just a way of rigging the system.
Promoted doesnt work. Because you know< promoted content should be on the same feed like ordinary one, but Steemit Inc. never heard about it.
And so we have bidbots.
The bidbots and purchased delegation are being used my many people to take advantage of the SBD bonanza at the moment. I am not saying it's happening in this case but I know of other people that are doing this.
It's a slap in the face to all of us who worked hard to get to the level we're at. We were all competing honestly at one point. It wasn't perfect, but majority of us sure tried our best.
This vote buying nonsense is bringing my property value down. Think about it. Look how much I had to work to get what I have. Now, are they trying to tell me it means nothing? Sure looks like it.
Pathetic at best.
Have a look at minds.com, they're issuing a crypto token soon... now this is a classic social network, and there's moderators. It drew lots of people from facebook because it lacks political censorship (if you don't want to read Nazi or Commie posts, just switch off "open content", if you don't want porn switch off "explicit" - you get 50 points an hour just for being there, and you can use them to boost your posts. You can also buy these points - there's quite a few artists on the network and there's other users who will send you points whenever they appreciate your posts.
I'm loyal to this place. I came here to help build it. I stay here so people can see how the place can work as intended. It was working great for many people until these middlemen walked in. We don't need them. As soon as people wake up and realize the potential of this place when it's functioning as it was designed, not even the sky is the limit.
Now I realize I sound like an idiot. Idiots also said the car would replace the horse. Idiots said the internet is NOT just a fad. Idiots said everyone would do their shopping online. They were always idiots, until everyone realized the potential.
Something like that.
I have almost 90k followers on Google and I've done "social" since five years now... so this is not exactly the first platform I'm looking at. It didn't feel right from the first day, and I'm not even talking about the people you have in mind - I didn't realize they even existed. No, my impression was just one of empty shelves with dreary designs, and without any atmosphere. It does not compare well, it's clutzily made and lacking the intricacies and qualities other networks possess.
The only attraction of steemit is in fact the monetary gains system, the network is as such a glove that fits the steem coin and gives it a semblance of meaning, which is not unclever from a marketing point of view. On the other hand, it will of course attract a certain kind of people - to put it bluntly, the sort who hope to financially gain from it. Is that hard to understand or in any way surprising ? It is obviously exactly what the originators wanted it to be, as much as the human condition must have been the will of an omnipotent creator ;)
If you think you belong here, then that is obviously the case.
Sure, maybe to you, and other people who have "done 'social' since five years" the only draw to steemit is the money, and there is a reason why people like that burn out here, because it is all about the money. But for the REAL users this platform is great. I can find content creators, support their efforts, have an actual dialog with them, curate through their comments to make the best rise to the top (good luck with that on youtube or facebook), etc. I have yet to see a single social platform that gives that much control to not just the runners of the community, but to the members as well.
Not only that, but if any group of people wish to share whatever opinions they have, it is not censor-able in any way (aside from filtering and flagging but that is beside the point). I am hard pressed to find cons aside from all the spam comments that never get up-voted anyway with their "I vote u vote me resteem follow". but have you seen the spam on youtube or others?
Spam be spamming since before spam was spam.
I only came here for some special content and so I had a prolonged but entirely unambitioned look, for the reasons I listed. You see, I earn my money indirectly, from assuring that certain things and people get placed well on search engines.
I see steemit much in the same category as youtube, which I also sometimes visit for special content. I had a look at facebook in 2012 but decided against joining it - Google is handling spam very nicely, there's no trouble at all and marketing still works if you know what you're doing... regarding youtube, many creators have recently left it because it had started to censor politically and/or demonetize ad-unfriendly content (a very flexible term that also excludes some art). These people have all flooded into other networks, mostly minds.
It's unsurprising that you find no flaws when you really don't seem to have all that much to compare.
Sorry for insulting your home turf - some people feel comfortable on a construction site - I'm not envious, that's all.
Okay, I was offering you an out to better elaborate how minds allows so much more community control (especially when they seem to have a scatalogical disorder on their newsfeed for most newbies) But I suppose you would rather assume you hurt an entrenched "steemer" (forgive the pun).
You haven't spent much time in youtube comments if you think google does a good job at eliminating spammy comments or curating the best to the top, go sift through some comments on a trending video, it swings all over the place with the majority adding no value to the topic at hand.
I wish you no ill will and hope you have a great 2018 wherever you choose to spend it, I hope you can "keep done your social for year"!
I didn't talk about trenches, I merely used the term "turf" which is less reminiscent of a shooting war ;)
I'm not talking about youtube at all, I'm talking about Google Plus.
Why would I be interested in community control at minds ? It exists, but telling the truth, I never had any trouble circumventing control, also I have my own methods to control the people I deal or refuse to deal with. As to minds, it could be better - it's any bit as much in beta as this is.
However, the things you guys are complaining about are happening here and nowhere else.
What if you just blocked people like grumpycat ? Wait...
It's not me having trouble here so far and I think I might be able to circumnavigate it, but how would I know ? I could also imagine eventually feeling pressure here because the place is what it is.
All networks have to shake out twists, Google Plus had them and by now they managed to have a platform that is configurable to a high degree and entirely allows free movement and speech sufficiently to be entirely different from facebook, for those who can handle it (this is always important to understand, you will find it's the same everywhere - no matter who controls or doesn't control whatever)
Google uses our content while we use Google to spread it, which is obviously something nobody else can do. Upon googling your alias, @nonameslefttouse, I find that you joined quite a few networks that I never cared to join. Remarkable. Did it help ?
Art is actually one of the things most easy to market on social media, I'll be glad to help.
They stopped shooting rockets outside, it's past two in the night.
Excuse me till next evening or so.
Search engines?
Google my name.
I have never heard of minds.com. I'm going to go check it out right now. Thank you jojof!
If you are familiar with fb you may find a video useful I recently made, comparing minds.com's mechanisms with those of the big terrible facebook we all once loved.
https://steemit.com/facebook/@paradigmprospect/why-minds-com-is-what-facebook-promised-to-be-or-a-brief-video-introduction
Minds and Steemit in my view serve two different purposes, I feel they complement each other instead of replacing each other.
Ok I'll check out your video.. Thanks :-)
Really good to see someone else fighting the good fight. You keep it up now. I've opted out of bid bots and self-voting for some time but it really ticks me off to see others just zipping past me using their "tools". It's quite disheartening but I know people like us aren't going to stop anytime soon. We need a real witness. One that runs on the platform of not making self-voting easy and one that vows to fight this bid-buying bullshit. They'd have my vote in a second.
"Think about it. Look how much I had to work to get what I have."
LOL and yet yesterday you tried to chastise me for pointing out how you were taking it personally. Looks like I was right. Thanks for proving that point.
Is there something wrong with taking this personally?
You come here here to point out scammers. You use a scam to point out the scammers. Meanwhile, you've been scamming the entire time.
I personally don't like scammers.
So what. Deal with it.