Leveraging Steem clones for lower development costs

in #steem6 years ago

There are quite a few Steem clones out there these days which are all essentially the same as Steem in the early days with various tweaks. For example, smoke.io has 50/50 curation and has recently introduced an advertising model. While some people see these platforms as competition for Steem, it actually depends on how one looks at it from a development perspective as essentially, each can trial various aspects to try and improve distribution or empower their community that Steem cannot at this time.

For users who missed out on Steem's beginning or squandered the opportunity, they might actually find new homes that are more suitable to them on other platforms, is this a bad thing for Steem, I don't think so but, it is interesting. Over the last few months I have read of people going over to these platforms yet, here they are still on Steem too.

What is going to be very, very interesting later is that these Steem clones don't actually move very far away from Steem in many aspects which may mean that a development application designed for Steem could be implemented on any one of the clones with minor tweaks. This could mean that the better the clones do, the better the applications are able to do also as they will have access to some very distributed communities that are potentially plug and play for their app. This will be the same with the interfaces that could essentially leverage their Steem development and provide service to many communities.

Here are a couple of the clones:

One thing that I do find interesting from many of the users who move over to other platforms is that (especially for the older users) they like the simplicity of the system, they like that whaleshares feels like 'old Steem'. What people forget is that old Steem changed under various community pressures over time so expecting these clones to stay the same as they are now is an interesting approach considering that history predicts otherwise.

What is good is that how these platforms develop is going to have continually new learning from the past and from each other. Much of Steem's development was at the front of the industry which meant it hadn't been tried in this way before. This obviously means that there is a high chance for error or less than productive development but, the lessons from the past need not be repeated over and over.

This is also something that users of these systems should take into account as if they leave Steem to join one of the others and act in the same way they have been on Steem, the chance of them ending up in the same place as they are here is high. A lot of users aren't interested in the inner workings of the technology here but, the developers of the other platforms are and will likely follow a similar development tract into the future, albeit somewhat tweaked.

If you have a look at the Trending page of Whaleshares for example, you will see many familiar names and, in the development teams, witnesses and most other areas. How different are they when all the same users are there across all of those platforms, many sharing the same content, this happens on smoke also to some degree except, due to it being niche content, much less.

What this means is that all of these various platforms are both decentralization forms of Steem and, the community itself. Some of these will onboard new users who have never heard of Steem , and since they all have their own tokens, they kind of work like interface SMTs already. I am not a developer but this seems like an opportunity, as like the users who are cross-posting content, it will be possible to cross-application develop. Perhaps in this way the applications can reduce their funding requirements as most of the development is already done.

This may be a negative for Steem (I don't think so) but as far as the decentralization of Steem and the concept of content rewarding platforms go, this is a positive step forward. What would be interesting to see although maybe not possible, is how much overlap between the communities there really is. I do see familiar names that appear on every new platform that pops up. I wonder how many of them will take the opportunity to stake themselves in to 'early Steem' and how many are there just to cash out continually like they have done here. For many of the highly staked on Steem, they are also highly staked on some of the other platforms too, many at a higher percentage than they are on Steem.

Again, I don't know how easy or hard it is to develop across these platforms but it is something to think about for developers as essentially they can gain access to many communities and potentially set up one platform with multiple sign ins that will direct users to various skins and algorithms depending on their sign in point.

Just some quick thoughts before they slip from my head due to the medication fog.

Taraz
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Hey Taraz. Some are just hedging their bets I suppose. Can you post the same article duplicated on the other sites then? So one Steem article can cover all the platforms. I just don't have the time to do what I do here anywhere else though.

I find it a bit silly to cross-post, somewhat of a money grab. but for app developers maybe a way to lower their costs by providing service to more users across more platforms.

It's a very common practice to maximize audience, I think it's a big cynical to view it only as a money grab. Where I personally would draw the line though, and I've said this directly to people who already cross post across the established brands is that if you don't engage with comment on the platform then you really are just here for the few cents.

I should have added a caveat to mention this and was going to in reply to @papacrusher below. If they engage accross their audiences well they deserve reward but of not, it is like people dropping abd spamming DM links. Maximization of audience is essential.

On a side note, you might be able to shed some light on cross steem platform development. Possible?

Sure but it depends what you mean by that, what are you thinking of?

What if @dtube had multiple logins for the clones that could rebrand for localization and consistency as well as tweak algorithms to suit the particular platform it is used on. It could then be potentially embedded and branded based on platform while still feeding various types of beneficiaries back to dtube.

I don't see why not, but perhaps a delegation rides on the use of a single platform. I certainly do not think that the masters of large "official" delegations are above imposing such restrictions, either openly or by subtlety.

That is why I asked. Didn't make sense cross posting. Get it as it makes sense for developers.

People are free to do as they please I think but I personally wouldn't cross-post which means I don't have the time. If it comes to building a community, essentially dropping links across multiple platforms doesn't seem like a good way to build.

I agree. Doing a half baked job will not be good for anyone. Hope you are feeling better by the weekend and results are better next week.

I have been heavily active on Weku for exactly the reason you mentioned above about missing the early days of Steem and the benefits of being an early adopter.

I know that the real-world value is not there, but there is something so sublimely satisfying about seeing large numbers as rewards for your work. In time, if it grows in value I will be well-placed in order to earn from this platform. It is like I have a "do over" by missing the early days of Steem.

I cross-post on both platforms and I love the opportunity to get as much exposure for my writing as possible.

I added a related response to @personz above.

I would like to see the payouts here in Steem, not dollars personally. The numbers might not be big but, why estimate fiat value?

I just finished reading your response. For me it is no different than a news article written for a local paper getting picked up by the AP, BBC, etc. It is still my creative property regardless of where and how I publish it.

I think the fiat estimation goes to show how reliant we still are on traditional banking institutions. Anyone onboarding who is not familiar with cryptos and their amazing potential need a point of reference in regards to rewards for their endeavors and fiat is what they most associate value with.

Excellent article by the way. I am always amazed by your capacity to mentally dissect and process information.

It is still my creative property regardless of where and how I publish it.

Yes, and it is up to the community to reward it or not, I don't see an issue with it. On something like smoke though which is a niche content platform, those posting irrelevant material might get some negative community response.

I think the fiat estimation goes to show how reliant we still are on traditional banking institutions.

This is why I would prefer the estimation in Steem because while people need the reference, it essentially forces them to do their own digging which brings its own reward.

Excellent article by the way. I am always amazed by your capacity to mentally dissect and process information.

Thanks, I am struggling a little mentally today :D

[...] is this a bad thing for Steem [...]

It may be a bad thing for Steem, exactly Steem, in the sense that it may decrease usership and so on, but it's not a bad thing for the idea of Steem. I have yet to hear a convincing argument as to why Steem as it stands today is the best version of the idea of Steem there can be. In fact 20 hardforks kinda proves that point.

I've never understood maximalism, except in the case where the alternative is genuinely worse.

I see all ideas as a work in progress, as well as all development. The idea of Steem is decent and seeing it propagate in different forms is likely a good thing all up.

What if Steem became the investment platform that drove development of applications that could service a host of other interfaces. An incubator of sorts.

Technically that is what it has done for the other platforms already. The Steem blockchain code is battle tested, and though I would not call it "hardened" it's definitely production worthy and it works. So any new chain using the code inherits all of that, essentially using what has come before as investment in their new tweak (if it even is a tweak, some are simply someone else controlling things from what I can gather).

Although I think you mean it more explicitly, and in that case I think that can definitely work too, as long as people here are not too precious about Steem maximalism. Some definitely are, but many whales are pragmatic above those kinds of thoughts. It could work, do you have any particular structures in mind?

I considering myself a STEEM loyalist, but my curiosity has lead to check out other platforms. I’m friends with some of the WhaleShares devs, from as far back as when WLS was just a BitShares token without a front end. I haven’t tried Smoke.io because I don’t smoke, and that seems to be a big part of the appeal. I also experimented with Sola, which I left as the Sola community seemed to value memes and reblogs more than original content [...I also got banned for a week for posting a model in lingerie. Heavens!], and most recently, @onosocial, which has been a unique approach to a DAC, and I liked that there was access to an international community [...2/3’s of the platform is Chinese]. Also, I have to admit that a fully baked iPhone app was nice, but I’ve recently made the decision to leave on principle of how their super partners team was let go. Long story, but in conclusion, in all my dabbling and looking in to other decentralized communities, Steemit remains the most rewarding and thought-through. Posting on any of these platforms takes take, which is a commodity I have little to spare, and it always comes back to me realizing it makes more sense to write thoughtful, sincere Steemit posts over several sprint posts on all the other DAC’s.

I’m friends with some of the WhaleShares devs, from as far back as when WLS was just a BitShares token without a front end.

I think this is natural isn't it? There are only so many people aware of these types of platforms and many of them are going to overlap.

I haven’t tried Smoke.io because I don’t smoke, and that seems to be a big part of the appeal.

I don't either but bought in at the pre-ico. I am glad I did though as it is interesting to see it develop and I like the 50/50 curation.

Posting on any of these platforms takes take, which is a commodity I have little to spare, and it always comes back to me realizing it makes more sense to write thoughtful, sincere Steemit posts over several sprint posts on all the other DAC’s.

I think this is a big part of it for me too. While some of my content could cross, I prefer to tailor for audience and with all of the rest of life going on, time is a resource I have precious little to spare.

Thanks for taking the time to comment well :)

You used the word "interesting" quite a lot, I was about to ask but then you said that you were still in mediction fog :)

I'm already cross-posting a lot (well to six places if I'm posting something everywhere), I didn't really want to expand it to across steem platforms though I have a few friends inviting me to join whaleshares. If they offered something different enough I'd probably be more interested, I find cross posting pretty exhausting though so am pretty fussy about new accounts XD

I hope all the dapps and clones do bounce off each other a lot and steal/borrow good ideas from each other while maintaining their own little spins, keeps everything interesting (XD) and everything could move along pretty quick then :)

I know, I do but I do find a lot of things interesting because I am quite curious :D I should use a thesaurus more.

Depending on how one cross-posts matters I think as engagement is still a thing I figure (less so at the moment). When it comes to the clones (besides smoke and scorum that are niche content based) they all seem to hold pretty much the same.

The engagement is a large part of the reason why the cross posting is exhausting 😆 not so much on my posts, on other people’s as I gad about a bit anywhere I hang out.

Ps I figured you would have used different words/phrases for “interesting” if you weren’t in medication fog, I’m a terrible person that teases a lot 😆

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In my eyes that’s just business and competition. It’s like saying why are you using facebook and Instagram, they are practically the same. Let the major players innovate and the let the best man win until something better comes along. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I wish Facebook had not bought Instagram.

Last month I was looking for alternatives, and I was surprised of how similar these other platforms are, they are an exact copy ... the presentation of everything is the same, even the wallet ... at least they would have placed a different design, disguise that they are a copy, hahaha.

some of them 'like bearshares' haven't even changed the splash page pictures :D

jajaja yeah... I came to think that they were steemit extensions because they really have the same facade.

Learnings will always be leveraged across the spectrum of competitors playing the space like any other industry so ultimately it will good for the development of a viable and sustainable platform. However, I can’t believe that they will achieve true decentralization given the amount of stake and distribution that actually takes to achieve and the well known challenges of doing so.

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