Are you ready for a 20% decrease in Author Rewards?

in steem •  5 months ago  (edited)

@blocktrades has recently started developing a Worker Proposal System with the main goal of allowing users to pitch ideas for developing Steem-based projects in exchange for funding. Then through a stake-based voting system the community can decide which projects get funded and which don't.

Sounds awesome right?

Decentralizing and incentivizing anything from blockchain development, dapps, games, funding marketing campaigns, to paying for professional advertising material and anything else that is geared towards betterment of the Steem blockchain, sounds like a great idea as Stinc is grossly incompetent to provide anything other than empty promises while delivering nothing or the bare minimum, for years on end.


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Where will the money come from?

Goal is to take 1% of the current inflation and to not, by any circumstance create additional inflation. At least that's the current general consensus.

Now this is where the plot thickens. Stinc will most likely provide a substantial donation to kickstart the Worker Proposals. A part of the funding will come from user donations but that's not going to be nearly enough for long term sustainability and viability of the WPS. Nor will it be enough to fund any serious work. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to undermine Steemians generosity, I'm just trying to be rational here. Development, especially of blockchain projects costs a lot.

So, where will we get the money from?

Our plan is to reduce the amount of inflation paid to author rewards from ~52% down to ~41% and redirect this amount to the worker proposal funding account -@blocktrades

52% is how much % of the entire inflation is directed towards our rewards. So, in fact that 52% is 100% of our rewards. Meaning, that if this goes through, all author rewards will decrease by a whooping 20%!

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That was my exact reaction when I first read about it and it's probably how most of you are feeling about it now.

Taking such a huge cut out of everyone's payouts could wreak havoc amongst the community members, drive content creators away and overall reduce the quality of content that's being put out on the block. The only benefit I see from this way of funding is that bidbots would quite possibly die. If not completely, then partially for sure as most users wouldn't bother wasting their hard earned STEEM to lose at least 20% if not more, of their initial investment on promotion.

@blocktrades is currently doing stake-based voting to decide how to fund the Worker Proposals. Be sure to cast your vote on the comment which you think offers the best solution.

What's interesting about this is that most of the top 20 witnesses voted for the option that takes 20% from authors which is concerning as it shows how they approve that most of the burden falls on the shoulders of content creators.

Of course they support this way of raising funds as most of them have already accumulated a shit-ton of Steem and they don't post very often. They would, by no circumstance want to take a cut in their paycheck, nor do they want other high-stake users to take a hit, but they do want everyone else to pay.

All while they are earning insane amounts of Steem for their position as a consensus witness. I propose that we cut their earnings by at least 20%! If they don't like that, there will always be other witnesses willing to take their position. It's as simple as that.

It seems that Steem world is NOT much different than the real world where the 0.1% elite, in our case witnesses, want to preserve their wealth and amount even more on the expense of the 99.9% which are in our case content creators.

Yellow are the current consensus witnesses all of whom I'll remove my vote from and will award it to deserving low ranking witnesses. If you know any, feel free to make a suggestion in the comments down below!

Alternative solutions

#1. Take a little bit (proportional to their % of inflation) from every aspect - curation, witnesses (only top 20 as they already earn too much), authors and interest
#2. Declined payouts - normally get burned but can be used to fund the Woerker Proposals instead
#3. Funnel a portion of the current inflation to the Worker Proposals in form of upvotes - weekly post which the entire community upvotes
#4. Highly incentivized donation process (donation leaderboard) = rewards for top donators?
#5 Stinc monthly donation - after the initial seed funding is spent, they should provide a baseline of support in form of monthly donations
#6 Stinc delegation - at least 2 million Steem Power to fund projects and ideas that will work for upvotes

#7. "NUCLEAR OPTION": Add new inflation!

#2, #3 , #4 , and #5 alone can't amount to the goal of 1% of the inflation and will only be viable if combined with #1.

My point is that we shouldn't resort to taking such a massive slice of the pie from authors as it could potentially destroy this place, but rather take a little bit from everyone and combine that with one or multiple other alternative means of collecting funds.

This will result in much happier authors and will probably even amount to more than the targeted 1% of the inflation.

As for the NUCLEAR OPTION which everyone is dreading

Let me just say that your concerns about it are completely unjustified and that it may just be the best possible source of funding which won't affect Steemians as much as decrease in payouts, interest and witness rewards will.

Think about it.

Even with 5% additional inflation, do you really think that we can't make Steem worth 5% more in a year? With a budget of 15 million STEEM + whatever Stinc donates, which is speculated to be around 5 million liquid STEEM, if we can't make STEEM worth 5% more in a year then fuck it, we may as well do nothing about it and let the current inflation eat up our stake.

But of course, don't take my word for it. I'm just a random guy on Steem.

Let me know what you think and let's discuss this in the comments!

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You know, if you want to create drama, kindly start with real facts.

@blocktrades has made a proposal to Steemit Inc about a Worker Proposal System -- that is a fact

Steemit Inc has reached a handshake agreement with @blocktrades to implement this WPS and to fund it via a reduction in the Author Rewards rate -- That is a fact

Not bad, you got two details correct. Then you go downhill from there.

the @steemalliance is NOT a foundation. The Working Group volunteering their time within the @steemalliance has been tasked with creating a system to receive proposals from the community for how a future foundation would look and operate.

@blocktrades is in no way involved with the Steem Alliance work.

the Steem Alliance is then tasked to create a voting system through which the community will be able to choose the proposal they feel best represents the needs of the community

A future foundation is likely to receive seed funding from Steemit Inc. What a future foundations focus and actions will consist of will be directed by the proposal that gains support from the community.

You may well have a valid argument on how the WPS is going to be funded but you really kill your credibility when you can't get the basic facts correct.

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I was by no means trying to create drama but rather voice my concerns and see what the community thinks about it.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here with the same misconception about the poorly explained SteemAlliance which is referenced to as either a foundation or a future foundation in every post I read about it.

While it may not be a foundation right now, is it wrong to assume it will be one in the future? If so, is everyone who stated that SA is a foundation/future foundation delusional or what?

Yesterday @Ned put out a call for nominations to form a community foundation to help with the funding and development of The Steem Blockchain. @steemalliance

Not only does your average Steemian have no clue about what SA is about but the more concerning aspect is that very few of them were involved in the voting process, which makes no freakin' sense whatsoever. We could have had a stake-weighted poll in form of a trending post or something but no, we had to take it to discord....

the Steem Alliance is then tasked to create a voting system through which the community will be able to choose the proposal they feel best represents the needs of the community

That's exactly what WP is supposed to do.

How does this not make SteemAlliance's task to create a voting system completely redundant?

Or am I missing out on something again?

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you are missing out on all the update posts since this first one you reference.
Clear updates are on the Steem Alliance's account and are pinned to the top of people's FEED on steemit, by Steemit.
there is plenty of notice on voting, on meetings, on the process. In fact, I noticed you missed again another meeting where more information was discussed. Follow Steemitalliance and read more.
almost all of what you are writing is flat out wrong information.

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You are losing me here @bluefinstudios. The only reason I cited that post was the simple fact it referred to SA as a foundation. There are plenty other posts referring to SA as a foundation out there but this was the first one that came up in my search.

You said it's going to be a foundation in the future, which is ok. I care not if it's one now or if it will become one in two months or a year. Not a single fuck was given by myself here.

The only thing I care about is the simple question both of you failed to answer which I will kindly (because you weren't rude) ask again.

Why do SA elected members have to create a voting system that is supposed to solve the same exact problem the WPS solves? Is stake-based voting not a good enough option or what?

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we are done talking. Once you became an ass in how you spoke to other members of Steemit Commmunity, you lost the ability to be treated as an equal.

After you apologize for being a misogynist, we can talk over facts.

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You're missing out on plenty since it appears your sum total of understanding is the original post that was put out without bothering to follow the posts the group has taken a lot of time and effort to prepare in an effort to improve communication on something that is literally being constructed from the ground up.

Good thing you aren't wanting to create drama through spreading FUD..

I've never seen anything delivered fully formed. Especially something new and never done before.

At NO point was there ever a post put out connecting the proposed Worker Proposal System to the Steem Alliance and a NO point has there been any posts connecting @blocktrades with the Steem Alliance but you managed to attempt to connect both for dramatic effect.

So, once again, let me be very very clear

-- The Worker Proposal System DOES NOT have anything to do with the Steem Alliance.
-- The Steem Alliance IS NOT being funded by anything coming from the rewards pool.
-- @blocktrades IS NOT part of the Working Group

Clear enough explanation for you?

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Dear @shadowspub, the question I asked is not the one you answered in such an unnecessarily rude manner which makes me think about at what point of your menstrual cycle or menopause are you currently.

Would you please calm your tits? Thank you!

So, I'll ask again. Why do SA elected members have to create a voting system that is supposed to solve the same exact problem the WPS solves? Is stake-based voting not a good enough option or what?

A worker proposal system allows Steem users to publicly propose work that they are willing to do in exchange for pay. Steem users can then vote on these proposals in almost the same way they vote for witnesses (stake weighted votes, but voters can vote for as many proposals as they want). The proposals that get a sufficient amount of vote weight get funded from a special Steem account controlled by the blockchain.

the Steem Alliance is then tasked to create a voting system through which the community will be able to choose the proposal they feel best represents the needs of the community

Once again, not to be perceived incorrectly again, I'm not saying they have anything to do with each other but I'm rather asking you: "How does WPS not make what SA elected members are trying to do redundant?

Is that clear enough for you or should I hire a lawyer to put it to words in a more easily understandable fashion and mail you a letter?

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well well... it seems that this little outburst of yours has laid bare the problem here.

seems your genetics have you developmentally trapped in the neanderthal era resulting in an intellectual capacity which renders you incapable of distinguishing between the truth and the FUD you create to seek attention.

My condolences for too much being expected of you.

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Damn, I would have responded with a "FO and go back to your cave" type of response if I was in your place.

But I wouldn't dare say that in public anywhere, people could think that I am too direct for my own good.

You did well.

Cheers.

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@runicar

Dear @shadowspub, the question I asked is not the one you answered in such an unnecessarily rude manner which makes me think about at what point of your menstrual cycle or menopause are you currently.

Would you please calm your tits? Thank you!

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REALLY?

This is how you chose to argue your point?

Your behavior is very unbecoming and says a lot about your character.

Everyone is entitled to express their opinion.

You might want to read up on how to express yours in a civil way so your words will be taken seriously.

As of right now you have lost all my respect. Not that it really matters in the end. You had your say and showed your true colors. You are the one that has to live with that.

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"Calm your tits?"

Okay--so why don't you buy some tightie whities that actually fit, because evidently the ones you're wearing have your nuts in a bind. I've heard that can lead to all kinds of problems, like infertility and impotence. Oh wait...I think now we have some insight into your problem....

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If you could stop wanking long enough for some blood to reach your brain and maybe read blocktrades posts about his project and then read the posts from the SteemAlliance workgroup... Many of your questions will be answered.

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What an interesting thread to wake up to.

Jeeeez, now this escalated quickly! From trying to voice my mind about what might be causing @shadowspub lack of clear judgment necessary to answer a couple simple questions in a meaningful way rather than resorting to a passive-aggressive tantrum, to being called sexist and now having a full fleet of Voldemort women punching out all sorts of highly creative insults on m expense. Wow! I'm impressed.

Talk about double standards.... Or maybe we shouldn't tap into that, not to be considered sexist, oh boy!

This is more than entertaining, carry on!

Wait, what? Did I just become a troll? Because I find these comments of yours quite amusing. Hmmm.... Expressing valid concerns vs hollow, rage-fuelled insults on an expense of someone they have no clue about. Ah, it seems that I'm not the troll here after all. Sheesh!

It's funny how pointing out the simple fact that such cycles which greatly affect a women's hormonal balance, short or long term, could quite possibly be detrimental to their reasoning and could easily explain for @shadowspub lack of ability to answer a couple very simple and blunt questions in response to her explanation of the SA, is considered sexist.

But what's even funnier about this situation, is how a hoard of hyenas ganged up and jumped on the thread to try to insult me with their well thought of strings of letters, without a single one of them or anyone else for that matter, answering the questions asked.

Nevertheless, I sincerely apologize if my point of view about my conception of basic biology came out as sexist and even more sorry if I hurt your feelings @shadowspub. Hope you can find it in your heart to forgive my poor choice of words.

Now to give everyone a personal reply so they don't feel left out:
@snook you are right, it really does not matter.
@rhondak your comment made me chuckle, sincerely. Very creative, one up!
@jackmiller I have addressed your concerns about sexism somewhere above. Nothing else to say to you other than you too could have answered my q about redundancy.
@whatsup another highly creative hyena, could argue that your comment is even funnier than @rhondak but they both come in pretty close - claps slowly - congratz!
@guiltyparties you are the only person who I truly have respect for in this thread and you are right, I'm not like that and would never talk like that to a lady. I had no cool left to allow @shadowspub to push me around while not answering my questions (the most frustrating part being the arrogant ending of her rage-fueled frenzy) and only trying to portray me as the Evil Drama Queen with the single intention of creating FUD while in fact I was just trying to have a discussion with the community about a possible reduction in author rewards.

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Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say.

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Valid concerns are always appreciated, but one must actually attempt to inform themselves of the facts before attacking others for "not explaining it well enough."

How did it become sexist? The fact that you even ask that makes me wonder if you are even capable of comprehending clear facts even if they were presented to you.. but since I am a glutton for punishment and the current chair of the Steem Alliance group.. I will try my best to explain.. even though it seems many have already tried.

  • The blocktrades worker proposal system has absolutely no ties to the Steem Alliance foundation, which could be seen by simply reading about each but I understand the confusion.

  • The Steem Alliance is a group attempting to help oversee a community built foundation system with the goal of it to be the combined “face of the chain”, working alongside additional groups (like the blocktrades worker proposal) as well as Steemit Inc. to better the Steem platform as a whole. The main goal is to help push Steem into the mainstream arena with focus on marketing, upkeep of Steemit,com, development of steemd, outreach and Steem events. Funding would need to be fundraising/profit based but also with large seed from Steemit Inc. itself.

  • The actual structure of the foundation hasn't been decided yet, as it's up to the community. We are still working on the process of how to gather proposals for this. Once proposals (for the structure of how the foundation will be set up) are gathered, an election will be put on (by the working group) to get a community consensus on how they want the foundation to work.

  • Next step would be to then start building the foundation itself.

How is Blocktrades Worker Proposal going to work? No idea, as I am not a part of it.

How with the foundation be funded? - "through donations, fundraising and possibly a profit based model." Which structure that is chosen by the community might change this up a bit, but we will have to wait and see on that.

How will the worker proposal system and the foundation the Steem alliance is helping to build work together? - No idea as we don't have a foundation yet, or a worker proposal system.


So it seems most of your questions are really directed at the worker proposal system but I wanted to try to clear up any lingering confusion about the Steem Alliance and the community foundation it is trying to help build.

If you have any specifically about the foundation, I will do my best to answer.. but when you act like an ass and state "facts" while not actually even attempting to look for actual facts.. its a bit hard to have an adult conversation, but I am not entirely sure you wanted to have one in the first place.

So I guess this comment is more for users who come across this blog and are concerned as there are no facts in sight. Hopefully the above will help with that.

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As far as worrying or minding about what you think is all a thing about mind over matter.

I no longer mind, because you no longer matter.

OUT.

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lol....

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@runicar

If you can please read up on what all is happening, prior to jumping to conclusions and making accusations, it would help.

I would also recommend that you speak to people with a little more respect and not resort to outright sexist comments.

Furthermore to end what I have to say here, the thread so far although not in the chirpiest of tones was not rude in any way until you wrote:

which makes me think about at what point of your menstrual cycle or menopause are you currently.

If people disagree with you and state facts that contradict what you initially thought was the case, that is not "rude" it is simply telling it as it is.

Cheers.

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That's not how you talk to a lady. Come on man, you're a good guy, you know better.

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Na hrvatski cu opet i malo falivat gramatku da je teze prevest jer znam dosta ljudi iz te grupe tako da ih ne uvridin.
Taj alliance ti je ka neka "community" grupa di se glasalo za ljude koji ce donosit neke odluke o necemu. 1 account/1glas ..
O cemu ce se donosit odluke nezna se. Ali o "necemu."
Ja sam prica sa ljudima koji su to zapoceli i moj je stav bio da je to glupost i trosenje vrimena ali eto Ned se pojavio pa se to pokrenilo nekako.
Uvik se ponavlja ista blesava mantra: "The community needs to come together,"
(Ako si gledao GITAK: "Volim te riči šta lipo zvuče, a ništa ne znače")
Sad je izabrana ta neka radna skupina i ta njihova okupljanja izgledaju, majke mi, ko sjednica vlade.
Stvar je u tome sta u toj grupi ima par kvalitetnih ljudi i cini mi se da je cili taj steem alliance napravljen, i Ned im obecao par tisuca dolara, da se ta ekipa, pardon my French, skine Nedu i whejlovima sa kurca.
Sad su oni u toj grupici i rade replike jedni drugima, fino vode raspravice, imaju fini poslovnik, vode zapisnik.. itd.
Izabrali su cak i Jandrokovica. haha. (ozbiljno)
Stvar je u tome sta bez stake holdera nemos nikakvu znacajnu odluku donit i alliance ce izgubit vaznost vjerovatno kroz mjesec dva jer malog covika zaboli za neke blockchain politicare ako oni sami nemogu nesto zaradit.
Oni ocekuju da cemo se mi vrtit oko njih dok oni skupljaju poene i osjecaju se vazno. Pokusa sam bit "prijatelj" sa tim ljudima ali to ti je sve naklapanje o nicemu oko nicega cili jebeni dan. Dobri su jedino za stvaranje grupa i pricanju o stvaranju novih.
Ali eto.. Zele dobro i benigni su vecinom.
Ovo sto Blocktrades radi nema stvarno nikakve veze sa tim.

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Zvuci sumljivo u najmanju ruku ali ako ista naprave bolji su od neda koji sa stincom, 50 miliona dolara kesa i 14 ljudi iza sebe nije napravio apsolutno nista. Odnosno napravio je nesto sto bi utopian devovi napravili besplatno u roku od par mjeseci.

Bas me zanima sta ce to tocno raditi i kako/koliko novaca ce prikupiti.

Pardon my French... hahhahah urlam

Another alternative solution is to use the portion of early upvotes that is being returned into the reward pool and forwarding it into the fund instead.

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Yes! I keep forgetting about that over and over again. However big or small that amount is, it would be a more than welcome addition.

I voted for what I believe will bring the most value to our chain, not to preserve my "elite wealth". Don't try and spin this for drama, we're all in this together.

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You believe that taking 20% off everyone who posts on here (most of whom earn dust) really brings value this chain? Shiet. How is that going to help when we already can't reward our content creators enough for their time? Let alone with a 20% decrease.

How can you make such claims when not a single thing has been done yet? I'm not completely against the idea but ffs, do something with Stinc funds first to prove it's even worth while and then try to tap into author rewards but not freakin' 20%! Take a little from every aspect of the inflation instead. As for the witnesses, the non-consensus ones already earn to little so we should not take anything from them, but the top 20 can easily bare a 20-30% decrease.

not to preserve my "elite wealth"

So you will be donating most of your witness earnings to the foundation?

I'm not trying to spin this for drama. I don't have to, it's dramatic enough on its own and the actions of people who support this way of funding with speaks volumes about them.

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'How can you make such claims when not a single thing has been done yet?'

Exactly! In the "real" world a salary increase or bonus or other kind of incentive is given AFTER we've accomplished a project or job to a good end and or succes.

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Absolutely right! Results is the name of the game. First results, than rewards. And not the other way around.

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Apparently, Bernie disagrees. haha..

I actually think this would have an opposite effect. Instead the "wealthy preserving wealth" this would lead to those that "abuse" the system the most and those that earn most from inflation to pay for the benefit of the STEEM blockchain.
It would be very interesting to see what the payout and inflation distribution looks like right now.

Folks that earn something like a dollar per post wont be as effected as the folks like chbartist or haejin.

This could actually be beneficial to the authors since it could potentially return proof of brain (if done right) since it would eliminate bots and vote selling from the equation due to reduce demand for bot votes. Something to think about.

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Apparently so. I would love to hear his thoughts on this.

This doesn't touch those who earn from inflation.

I bet that chbartist and haejin are in the top :D

Sorry but I fail to realize how would this return proof of brain.

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Bot/upvote selling automation would be gone or severely reduced returning proof of brain. Circle jerks that currently exist would take a 20% cut (as will everyone else) taking a part of their "abuse" earnings and using it to benefit everyone.
Those looking to only earn passively will find that curation is the preferable profit maximizing option, now that bot use is reduced, instead of upvoting yourself 10 times a day since that takes effort and can be countered much easier by other steemians with flags. (Not everyone has Rancho SP)
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etc.. Thats where i see this going. How ever you twist it, its a much better situation then what we have now.

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interesting view from 2 points, and i think you really don't think it like that, but you just did not look at it from that side.

Folks that earn something like a dollar per post wont be as effected as the folks like chbartist or haejin

put it in the business or state perspective. you have people that earn 20.000$ a month to people that earn 200$ per month. you cut from all of them 20%. who will feel it more?

it would eliminate bots and vote selling

punishing everyone to solve a problem of few.

also interesting question is, how many whales are needed to push who will get the funding?

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Wer not talking livelihoods here. Wer talking a dollar a day. And youre comparing apples and oranges when you try to compare government with DPOS blockchains.

... Solving the problem of everyone.

...."How many whales or witnesses" is a technical question that will probably be solved once we get there.

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i was just trying to show that small acc will suffer the most. and we can agree that progress and development of small acc is slow to non. if there is a cut of 20%, development will be slow to non - 20%. question is, do we need new people here, now and do we need them to stay. and will this help in short or long run. And is steem a social network.

"punishing everyone to solve a problem of few" miswrite here. it is everyone's problem but not everyone is the problem, and the solution is to punish everyone because of that "few". but maybe that is the only way to solve that. i don't have enough knowledge about that. never tried to game the system, maybe i am just stupid like that :D

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I dont think small accounts will suffer the most.. hehe. I dont think small accounts will suffer at all. Im a small account and i wont feel the change one bit.
The largest earners that take the most from the reward pool+upvote sellers/bot delegators will suffer most.

"punishing everyone to solve a problem of few".
I dont agree with the word "Punish" but if i would concede and call it a punishment i would say that youre punishing the most those that invested the most and those that are abusing the system the most.

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maybe you are right.
i will still earn my nothings - 20% :D
off to do some night work as steem will not pay for my food :D

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you have people that earn 20.000$ a month to people that earn 200$ per month. you cut from all of them 20%. who will feel it more?

Of course that those who would take the bigger hit here are the ones earning 20k but consider that there are 100k of those earning 200$ compared to 100 who earn 20k.

So who earns less in the end? From an individual perspective, of course it's the 20k peeps but collectively it's the small fishes who lose the most by a magnitude of 10x.

The real question is: "Is it a smarter move to take a direct hit strait away in form of a 20% reduction of author rewards across the board or should we rather let the additional inflation dilute our stake over time?"

how many whales are needed to push who will get the funding?

Quite frankly, one.

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you missed my point or i missed yours. thing is that small acc will suffer more (or feel the cut more) even it is less steem (money). progress of small acc will be slower at least for 20%, and the progress of them is really slow as it is.

maybe the smartest thing is to not take from anything (don't HF it) until there is a proof that i will be beneficiary. blocktrades are a high stake holder and they have much more interest to see steem moving forward, and i think that there are enough of high stake holders that could to a test run (how much would that sistem make steem better) and if all that work makse steem jump 10-15 places up and does good for the price, then i will have no problem with cutting the peace from everybody

First off: @steemalliance, based on my current knowledge, has nothing directly to do with the worker proposals.

Now, before you throw around accusations, it would be great if you would give people at least time to explain their decisions. Especially since the vote on the comment was a simple first vote and nothing official. While I do understand the anxiety a 20% reduction of author rewards would cause, I wouldn't call this extreme or anything that would threaten the future for Steem. If you're here for 1$, I bet you might not go away for 80 cents.

But in any case - I understand the concerns and I'm actually writing a post about this topic right now. Should be up today/tomorrow.

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I thought it was made exclusively to more easily pick the projects the foundation support over the ones it wont. If that's not the case what is it made for then and who will fund the proposals? Confused af.

However you put it to words and try to reason your decision, it won't change how I feel about it, nor does it change what I wrote.

I wouldn't call this extreme or anything that would threaten the future for Steem.

Of course you wouldn't as you don't depend upon author rewards to keep you afloat but try to tell that to someone that does. Try to tell that to the content creators and see how they feel about it. It's bad enough that we expect people to produce top notch content for a couple dollars and it will be even worse when those rewards decrease by 20%.

Effort-reward ratio here is shit already and it's apparent in the content the average Steemian is putting out. Wouldn't you agree? If the same was increased, I bet that more people would come and the average post would be of a better quality or at least the person behind it would put in more effort into it. Don't you agree?

Anyhow, I'm looking forward to seeing what you have to say about this as I might have missed out on something important.

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You're able to live from these author rewards because people decide to keep STEEM - and not sell it. STEEM could very well get to below 5 cent if enough stakeholders decided STEEM isn't a good enough investment. Authors are usually the ones with the least risk in the system. You could power down all your STEEMPOWER and still make nearly as much as author.

The same is not the case with curation rewards as well as the interest. Both require STEEM as STEEMPOWER, which is a massive risk towards the crypto market as a whole and to Steem as currency.

Witnesses are securing the blockchain and as @ned recently said on State Of Steem - reducing those rewards lowers the threshold of possible attacks. I'm sure that all of the witnesses are honest and trustworthy, but as you saw with dlive and jerry - people can lie in your face and you wouldn't see it. If witnesses aren't happy with their pay, they might be able to be used for attacking purposes. In order to prevent this, the pay must be reasonable. And if you believe Steem is paying too much to witnesses, take a look at EOS BPs - they're getting paid 2x as much as Steem in simple terms of tokens and 10x as much in terms of USD value (https://eostracker.io/producers). Especially backup BP on EOS are receiving more as BP witnesses on Steem. If you wanted to have a competition-friendly pay for witnesses on Steem, you'd need at least the 2x - 3x as what you have right now, meaning a 20-30% inflation instead of 10% (or 11.1% as we have right now)

Also, witnesses have the risk of having to run infrastructure, regardless of the price. Many backup witnesses are already in the negative, depending if they run backup & seed/other nodes.


With all of that said, I don't want content creators to feel out of place - I want content creators to be rewarded for their work and a high STEEM price is important for that; which is why I believe a WP system is important. But acting as if something is being taken away, while having a lot less risk than many other people in this ecosystem doesn't feel very grateful to me. Again, where else do you get paid for creating content?

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I wasn't referring to myself when mentioning users who rely on their Steem earnings which is apparent from the simple fact that I haven't cashed out any of the Steem I earned for over a year and I was not cashing out before that (except a little in the bull run) which IS NOT something you can say about the consensus witnesses and high SP stakeholders.

The same thing could happen to the price of Steem if enough authors decided to power down and leave.

@ned is a fool, citing him on anything is pointless. Just because it goes in the favor of your argument, doesn't make it right. I would beg to differ. If any of the consensus witnesses tried to pull off something like that they would quickly lose the punpkin vote and get kicked out of the top 20 and would easily be replaced with genuine people.

Remind me please how big is the paycheck for being a top 20 witness. 1.8k SP a week?

Comparing Steem to EOS is ridiculous and doesn't make for a valid argument because EOS has a market cap 26x larger than Steem.

Punch that into the calculator and see how much witnesses would be earning if market caps were the same and then try to make the same argument if you can.

I want content creators to be rewarded for their work and a high STEEM price is important for that; which is why I believe a WP system is important.

Are you implying that WP will increase the value of STEEM?

If so, then why is it such an issue to create new inflation instead of taking it from authors? While we are at, that increase in inflation, let's say 5% can also be used to bump up curation, interest and witness rewards (to prevent malicious consensus witnesses which I think is completely ridiculous but ok).

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Pricekaj malo sa zakljuccima.. Cini mi se da bi ovo moglo bit iznimno pozitivno za autore.. Znam da nije intuitivno ali ovo bi moglo eliminirat botove skroz i vratit "proof of brain".. Ima puno "working parts" ali cini mi se da bi to mogao biti slucaj.

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Sorry ali to jednostavno nije istina. Nista ne moze vratiti proof of brain osim legit curation projekata kao @curie koji ce manualno traziti "kvalitetan" sadrzaj. Ako nestanu botovi trending ce nam bit pun circle jerkova kao sto su exyle, adsactly i ekipa.

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Kada nestanu botovi circle jerk je profit max opcija. Istina.. Ali to je superiornija situacija od ove.
SP koji sad drze botovi, cak i kad bi sav bio koristen u circle jerkovima 20% toga bi islo u unapredjenje blockchaina.
Trenutno steem ne ide nigdje nego u djep seronjama.

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I sada je. Pogledaj samo trenutne top circle jerkove sta rade. Nisam siguran na koji aspekt botova se referiras. Boostanje postova ili delegiranje?

Kod boostanja incentive nije zarada jer mnogi gube i nije istina da se samo dobiva od botova. Vidjeo i iskusio na vlastitoj kozi nebrojno puta.

SP koji sad drze botovi, cak i kad bi sav bio koristen u circle jerkovima 20% toga bi islo u unapredjenje blockchaina.

Istina ali zar nebi bilo jednostavnije povecat malo inflaciju, usput dignut kuraciju i interest rate i dovidenja!

Autori sretni, kuratori sretni, witnesse nismo dirali.

Jedini koji nisu sretni u ovoj prici su oni koji nece investirat u steem zato sto ima pre visoku inflaciju, a ako ti isti ljudi nece investirati ni kada je 13% inflacija boga mi nece ni na 8%.

Poanta je da ne treba uzimat kruh iz usta toliko velikoj kolicini ljudi. Pre rizicno je i imat ce katastrofalne posljedice.

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Looking forward to see your part of the story. Dis getting interezting

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First off: @steemalliance, based on my current knowledge, has nothing directly to do with the worker proposals.

Yeah i dont think they have anything to do with this as well. Nothing against the Steemalliance guys, but it would be a terrible idea if they would have any say over Steem worker proposal fund distribution. That project was pretty much dead on arrival. People hate bureaucracy.
No one but stake holders (based on stake) and witnesses should have a say on that.

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I could be wrong but it only seemed to be logical that WP is for Steemalliance. If not, it makes me think what's the WP about then and who will fund those projects? Also, how will Steemalliance decide which projects get funded and which don't. It only seemed reasonable to me that that's the point of the WP.

If you want to see the math driving taking only from author rewards, one only needs to look at how fast the inflation is diluting the whales.
By taking from the biggest diluter to swell the value of their stake they get a twofer.

The biggest accounts are doing everything they can to hang on to their influence.
I dont blame them, if my wallet was the sole source of my manhood, I'd squeal like a little bitch, too.

I guess this 'handshake deal' is done?
No community input?
Authors taking the hit?
No point in the foundation repeating the same work?

Smdh.

Mmmm, crypto people, people who are inventing everything - from scratch!

How "regulars" do?

  • they have an idea for the product that generates money *(not crypto, money)
  • they are seeking for an investor
  • the end

Crypto people:

  • let's print money
  • we can use enthusiasts with no background
  • money is evil
  • let's fix hunger in Africa
  • hunger in Africa, from 1950' !!!
  • what about the product? who mentioned products?
  • what about products?
  • let's fix gender gaps!
  • print more money!
  • Maybe we could make more bots and create perpetuum mobile
  • Nah... Who cares, if BTC becomes 1.000.000 $ worth, Steem will follow

If you want to save Steem(it)...

  • turn it into something fun and interesting to the majority people
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Don't know how I missed this nugget of gold!

The money printing issue you outlined wouldn't be an issue if Stinc actually did something useful with their ninja-mined stake. Or if we actually curated good content and propperly rewarded those that deserve to be rewarded (@curie on steroids).

Steem will be good in the next couple of years when we get a wide range of different dapps for the mainstream to use and actually have some fun while earning a couple of bucks for doing so.

'It seems that Steem world is NOT much different than the real world where the 0.1% elite, in our case witnesses, want to preserve their wealth and amount even more on the expense of the 99.9% which are in our case content creators.'

Before I got to reading this part I already had a similar kind of comment as yours in mind. So my answer to the question in the headtitle is a big NO.

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Me neither! Too bad our votes aren't worth enough to vote out that option. Also, the way it's presented in makes it so that most users don't even realize the magnitude this change would bring.

Dude, I get what you're saying, but @shadowspub outlined most of your answer concerning @blocktrades. The reason they have to create a different voting system, is because many people have multiple accounts, so it wouldn't strike as fair as per say - a cell phone number verification system to ensure one person one vote - more democratic. Fact is, the system is flawed and people abuse it. People always will.

Let's talk about abuse for a second. I think you were out of line in some of your comments and should offer up an apology to save face here. People can't take you seriously on such a vital topic if you resort to teenage behavior. Passion is one thing, blatant offensive remarks intended to insult and incite are another. So, take heed.

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Thank you for the explanation @enginewitty! That's all I wanted to know which should have been apparent from my first reply to her comment but no, she had to repeat what was already cemented in her first response (in an unnecessarily arrogant manner), while not answering any of my questions.

is because many people have multiple accounts, so it wouldn't strike as fair as per say

Will it still be stake-weighted?

You are right. I was more than out of line in my response. I'm allergic to being pushed around by individuals with an over-inflated ego and an over-exaggerated sense of self-importance so I completely lost it there. Now that the dust has settled I can see how my comment was a bit over the top, but what can I do about it now, it's my quick temper and inability to deal with passive-aggressive anons that got the best of me in this situation.

I'll definitely offer an apology to @shadowspub in a DM when I get back on the PC later on in the evening hours, even though I already know what kind of response I'll get...

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I take back what I said...choice of words is always an option!

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No, insulting in public and replying in private combined with his... "I know what she will say.." Is just doubling down.

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I agree, I was referring to the admit to go to far was right and to apologize for bad behavior, but after hearing the "apologie* it wasn't the one you give to someone you insulted and crossed the line.... My mistake with that comment, changed it ... Not acceptable!

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@whatsup you are delusional. I didn't say that "I know what she will say" but rather " Although for some reason I suspect " and it was only because I considered my insult to be so severe that it made me think that she may take the opportunity to throw another couple of jabs my way and NOT because I knew that she will.

And the only reason I mentioned it was to let her know that if she did, I would be ok with that! Practically letting her know that she can do so to vent a little bit more if she felt the need.

If you can't take it for what it is, then don't try to make it into something it isn't.

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apology accepted

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Well said 👍 agree 100%

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The Worker Proposal System and the future FOUNDATION have nothing to do with each other.

@blocktrades WPS is completely independent of anything the Steem Alliance is working on.
The Steem Alliance is tasked with setting up some sort of voting system to elect members of a Foundation and the Basic Skeleton setup of the Foundation. From there, the FOUNDATION hopes to receive an initial seed donation from StINC, to get off the ground. In order to be sustainable, it will need to find investors to fund ongoing operations and future proposals.

Making this post without having facts, is completely senseless
All you need to do is ask either Blocktrades, the Steem Alliance, or almost anyone involved with the processes

Programmers want to get paid to write code. Authors want to get paid to write words. I see both as demographics neither of which are more important than the other.

More code in my opinion isn't going to help improve Steem. The problem is the current code that the programming class has written is simply unprofitable. I asked when they made the proposal, how will it generate revenue? I asked them if they will add prediction market capability for example so people can bet on which improvements will get implemented and bet on the time etc.

Generally if there is no revenue then no amount of borrowing (that is what they want) is going to fix it. In addition, the programmers want to make this change in the percentages yet they wont make the change to actually fix the economy so authors can make $. It's not just a matter of percentages but of a broken economy in general.

Revenue is what matters. When a programmer offers to write code the community should demand that these programmers have a business plan. Not simply let programmers ask for money to write "code" which has no way of generating any kind or profit for the platform.

If the proposal is not burning Steem, if it's not generating revenue to sustain development of new code, then it's a loan from authors. In other words programmers want to eat at the expense of the authors even though the authors are driving more revenue at this time.

What revenue are programmers driving? Well we can say Steemit Inc is at least driving cost reduction. Cost reduction improves the business so this is good. The proposal system is very expensive and is this 20% decrease permanent or temporary? In my opinion it should not be permanent if implemented at all and in general it should be seen by authors as a sort of loan to programmers to pay for development in a time where money cannot be produced from any other means.

But in exchange the authors need to get something. If there is a fee to propose new projects then the fee should be burned for example. The fee should also be high enough to discourage scams and worthless proposals. There should also be a cultural norm in the community to ask how the proposal is going to generate revenue. Examples:

  • Locking up Steem tokens (supply sinks).
  • Burning Steem tokens.
  • Attracting advertisement revenue for Steem.
  • Monetization of the data on Steem.

If they can't come up with ways to generate sustainable revenue streams then why fund it?

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I completely agree with you. If there is no real ROI they can bring to the table then I don't see why we should fund development of such projects. I like your thoughts on the prediction market. What did they say about it?

The proposal system is very expensive and is this 20% decrease permanent or temporary?

Yes, it's very expensive indeed and it makes me think why there wasn't some sort of an auction to let other devs compete with @blocktrades and offer the same solution at a lower price. I fear that if implemented, this change would be permanent unless some sort of a major revolt happens.

Current system is already broken... Fuck it, the best way is to invest money and circle jerk around, makes no sence to write an article for 2 bucks from which you'll lose aditionally 20%...
This place is starting to be so fucking annoying...

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Tell me about it... Can you guess who are the only people that are not upset about this possible change?

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Top 20? hahahaha

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Exactly!

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Lol, keep in mind that steemit inc is working on RocksDB that will eventually decrease the price of running nodes drastically. +1 for witnessess haha

Last year, @jerrybanfield implemented a smart system for the development of Steem:

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I had no idea, but it just goes to show that if that dipshit was able to make something like that, it surely isn't worth 100k in development costs. One up for @blocktrades.

What appears to be the best solution to raise the money for the budget is to reduce the passive rewards paid out in Steem power interest and to divert 50% of the top 20 witness block production rewards to fund the budget proposals. This will make about 200,000 Steem available every 28 days to anyone paying 10 Steem to submit a proposal without having to increase inflation.

At least he was on the right track with taking a % from top 20 witnesses.

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Another centralized token and centralization to preserve wealth in action. The best approach is it to force @steemalliance to find money without the reward pool and go search outside of the ecosystem completely!

Even to increase the printing press of 5% will dilute the stake of everyone on this chain. All the people know inflation steal your wealth and this is another centralization movement in action!

The final idea is not to implement the @steemalliance at all and create another point of failure.

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Even to increase the printing press of 5% will dilute the stake of everyone on this chain.

Maybe not as much as 20% decrease in author rewards which will drive a huge amount of content creators away but who knows.

All the people know inflation steal your wealth and this is another centralization movement in action!

In our current financial system yes but on Steem maybe not, but only if used to fund revenue generating projects beneficial to the platform.

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I have cast all my votes to the witnesses below the top20 as a way to protest this idea completely.

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Great! I have done the same but still haven't decided on who I'm going to give my votes to.

Programmers are important members of the community. Authors are the bread and butter who attract advertisers and who also are important members of the community.

Monetization must be the focus of development in my opinion. The problem with stake weighted voting is that it might create a situation where Steemit Inc itself could fund it's own agenda merely by using the Steem token. Problems do exist with this model (problems of centralization).

But then we want SMTs. In my opinion it would be better not to do this proposal setup as I see no advantages from it. If these developers cannot get funding from traditional methods (due to not being able to figure out how to monetize enough to get someone to give them a loan or do an ICO) then why get that funding from the community in the indirect inflationary way?

Why not simply raise funds via donations, or via ICO, or similar? SMTs even if they don't work well, can be used to raise funds. If people want more funds why not accept the funding in Bitcoin so that Steem doesn't have to be continuously sold? How will this impact the price of Steem?

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They are but I would argue that at this point of time, on this chain, authors are more important than the developers, especially Stinc devs who have proven not to be able to deliver so many times already. Even with the insane amount of money they have, they couldn't deliver.

Makes me think how will it be different with the worker proposal then? Maybe because they will be held accountable, unlike Stinc devs currently are.

The mythical SMT is yet another one of their epic failures. God only knows when that will be coded out. 2020 maybe? We can only hope at this point.

If people want more funds why not accept the funding in Bitcoin so that Steem doesn't have to be continuously sold?

Another great idea of yours and one of my points of concern that I forgot to mention in the post. All of that STEEM will be dumped on the market, combined with Stinc cashouts this will be devastating for the price if no revenue is generated by the stuff they code out, which it probably wont.

hmmmmm I think if the authors will leave ( and they will leave )
Than the price will drop. Without prople even you are a big stake holder but who will work in the "mines"?

This is what they forgot.

The bots will die than who will invest and where?

I think the 0.1% already left the connection with the people. Acting like a the famous people but they forgot that in crypto world even they are a small fishies.

By the way we cant do nothing against this.They have to learn from they own mistake. Hope it will be not late.

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Exactly! Whatever they say about it to try to justify it just doesn't change this fact. If this is implemented I fear that many content creators will smash that power down button, leave and never come back.

Yes, it seems as if they didn't take that into consideration. Anyway, will be an interesting trending without the bidbots. Oh wait, it wont. We will have to look at the same old, same old high sp circle jerks all day long like it was before bidbots. QQ

We can actually. If we collectively unvoted the witnesses suspected to be ready to support such change, we may be able to kick a couple of them out of the top 20. In the same time bring in a couple that won't support it and we have somewhat of a chance.

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If this is implemented I fear that many content creators will smash that power down button, leave and never come back.

I completely agree with you. I will probably be the first to do that.

The other issue is that this poll was not made public by reaching the Updates Log, so that all the users can see it and participate. In fact, I'm pretty sure that most of the people aren't even aware of what's going on. I wouldn't know it myself if I hadn't stumbled upon this post of yours.

So what voting we're talking about? The one where big guys cast their big votes and make a decision?

We should make a call for people to remove their votes from all the witnesses who are supporting this shallow idea of taking the money from the author's rewards, which will solve absolutely nothing, except for chasing away these few remaining content creators left.

If nothing, then because of the principle. Although my vote is not worth much, I will remove my vote from all the witnesses I voted for, who are supporting this proposal.

And will advocate for other people to do the same.

Thank you for this post.

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I'm glad that you stumbled upon my post out of multiple reasons @scienceangel!

Thankfully, it was by no means the deciding poll and to be honest I don't even know how will they make one when the time comes but I fear that the top 20 witnesses will be deciding on it and we already seen their position in this.

We should make a call for people to remove their votes from all the witnesses who are supporting this shallow idea of taking the money from the author's rewards, which will solve absolutely nothing, except for chasing away these few remaining content creators left.

The only problem with this is that we would need to create multiple trending posts which would most likely be burned to the ground by the same witnesses we are talking about in the first place. Sad situation to be in, isn't it?


Gledajuci tvoj profil sam zakljucio da si nasa, pozz! Drago mi je da si navratila i da sam odmah otisao pogledat tvoj profil :D Super mi je upoznati nove ljude sa nasih prostora! Reci mi molim te, koliko dugo traje review process za prevoditelja? Cekam uzaludno vec tjedan dana bez ikakvog kontakta od strane moderatora ili witnessa koji vode davinci.

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Yeah but we are not much "united" to make it.
By the way there are other platforms like weku or i dont know.

Even now if anybody check the trending page they are all boosted by promo or bidbots. Because even the community is lazy to read and vote😁

It will be nothing here if they make that move. There will be few posts with 1 or 2$ payout. The whales are also lazy to vote so 😂😂😂😂

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I am powering down right now in fact. I wish I could find a way to avoid having to do so but this kind of news is not encouraging.

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I won't make such rash decisions other than writing up this post. There is still time for things to turn out to be better than we expect them to. It took me two years to acquire/invest to the point where I'm right now and I'm not going to give up on it so easily.

Personally if I were going to write the code for such a proposal system I would use a TCR (token curated registry) design pattern. I would say it probably shouldn't cost that much money to write this kind of code as it's not as complex as people make it sound.

In fact I would say because it's so simple there should be competing models and multiple fundraising infrastructure code being written. Blocktrades can write theirs and I can support funding it if it's cheap enough, but I do not think Blocktrades version should get exclusive rights to blockchain funding. BAD IDEA.

Let multiple attempts be made to do it. Let multiple different proposal systems compete for funding from the blockchain if we are going to let the blockchain fund any of them. Let the most efficient proposal system be the most used. I'm not convinced that using dilution/inflation is how to fund it. I understand when SMTs don't exist it seems like a desperation method of funding but it's inferior to using SMTs and just doing ICOs or token offerings or regular old fundraisers.

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You forgot how centralized this place is and from my knowledge blocktrades are insiders from day one so it doesn't come as a surprise that they are the only ones in charge of developing the worker proposal and that no public auction was made before hand. And yes, it shouldn't be that expensive. It's ridiculous. Wish I knew more devs or had money to prove it.

I am somewhat behind more than usual on my feed today and ran this interesting thread. I support the WPS but think that the amount that would be taken is still secondary as there are more options than just a straight cut into all rewards. I respectfully think that the WPS is a aay to create long term value by establishing ways for developers to support the ongoing evolution of the protocol. This would make the Steem currency itself more valuable. While we think we are losing $0.20 of every $1, the reality is that this could set the stage for getting $8 for every $10 which is still 20% but we have made the protocol more valuable. Sometimes we need to cut our rose petals for them to grow back stronger and more beautiful. Long term value should be the focus in my opinion (respectful to everyone’s thoughts).

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I agree with you that if these funds will not be abused by malicious users and if devs will provide some revenue generating code in return, that the implementation of WPS could end up being a very positive thing for this chain of blocks, but I don't see how taking the entirety of the funds from content creators is by any means healthy for the future of this platform.

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Ah eh uh, dunno what to say. If they cut our author rewards, I really see a lot more people leaving. Heck, it will demotivate me as shiiet but I won't leave.

I still didn't read why this option is better than any other. Staying tuned tho'...

Once again: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Hope this is for the better future but I fear the backfire

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Same here.

It's only a better option for the 0.1%. If it goes through I think the consequences will be of catastrophic proportions to the already low-engagement, number of users and content creation (quality and quantity).

I sincerely hope they don't go through with it.

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I hate to be that much of a noob to not understand all of this. I will see what some people who I trust has to say about this and then I will decide.

I only hope this is for the better future of the whole blockchain. Big guys often forget about the small ones and I hope this is not the case. As I already said, time will tell...

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You don't believe me bro? Damn :D

Let me know what your insiders think. We can only hope at this point of time as our votes aren't worth enough to make the decision. And then again, we won't even be the ones pulling the shots but the top 20 witnesses.

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It's not that, I just don't understand this so it is hard to believe aynone.

If I had to believe then I only believe what @acidyo says because I am sure that he wants nothing but the best for steem. I am not sure that other top playaz are like that. :)

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15 cents per post instead of 20 cents.. Makes 0 difference to me.
If you dont have a whale friend why would you care? STEEM will never hit 100 USD - 500 USD so a few STEEM we get wont be worth some crazy money...
Those that do earn most are the worst shitposters there are.. Guys like Haejin, cbhartist... They will be hit by this the most. Not me with my 20 cents. They will be the ones paying for the worker proposals.

But this could create other earning opportunities on the Steem blockchain and eliminate bots.

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We won't get into if Steem is going to be 100$ because we don't know that. I just hope that this will make this blockchain better, then I will easily give up on 20% and more. But I still need to read WHY is the first option better than the second one.

And I want facts.

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Theres only guesses. There will most definitely be analyses over time.. I did such an analyses when Kevin made his dumb proposal months ago and it seems to me that this would have a very different outcome that could be beneficial not only to the investors but to authors as well..
From what i am seeing is that this essentially removes bots and vote selling from the equation if done right. That could return proof of brain. Right now proof of brain does not exist.
Many working parts, but i think the benefits outweigh the loss. As i said:

2 kune umjesto 3 kune.. Nema neke razlike.

We that dont earn much here lose the least. Those that earn the most and abuse the system will be the ones paying for the worker proposals..
I make 25 STEEM a week... Haejin makes 4000 STEEM. Who is the one taking the biggest hit with a 20% reduction?

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I get what are you saying. It seems that we musr see what time will tell.

I hope it will demolish bidbots, all but one ----> @ocdb - the only good bid bot :)

Pogledah sada tvoj post, kakav savršen primer licemerstva na Steemitu. Post generisao 100 komenata, više od polovine su suludi, ali nema veze. Ukupna nagrada - nikakva. Da li je na Trendingu pošto je generisao oboliko saobraćaja - nije. Šta zapravo ljudi na Steemitu žele - da nemaju konkurenciju

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Da, oduvjek je tako bilo. Nekolicina koji naizgled zarađuju dobivaju upvote od "prijatelja" ili botova. Teško se probiti ovdje, bar što se tiče zarade...

Si clever and consice

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