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RE: Where do we take STEEM from here?
@jaki01
I like the post but completly disagree with free downvote. The concept of free downvote is not good. The downvote should not be free, it should be as previous we have or removed it.
The free things is completely sound wrong to me else no major problem.
From my point of view it's no problem to disagree.
The question is how without 'free' downvotes you want to combat spam, plagiarism and other kinds of abuse? If flags cost voting power the experience was that not enough users do that sometimes necessary task.
In "My STEEM Vision." I suggested the following:
If you really unlike it use your voting power else you only telling and not want to do action. If you have actually unlike those content use your voting power to downvote it as you normally use your voting power to like that content. It is as easy as much.
Everything is given free, people misuse those things. It is clear and cut system.
I disagree with free downvotes. The upvote and downvote should be same and both action will decrease their voting power. If he really wish use it.
Right, and I disagree with you.
On HIVE @haejin doesn't earn anything because of well deserved flags. On STEEM he is exploiting the rewards pool like crazy. In this case HIVE works clearly better than STEEM.
By the way, currently downvote power diminishes even faster than upvote power.
If actually, we don't want to earn any steemians, we can also do without free downvotes. Free downvotes not required, let them use their voting power, if they really cares about that. They only wants to use free downvotes else they can't do. If they really a well wisher of HIVE, then why they don't want their voting power let go down. This will also save reward pool.
Think it other way, than your phenomena.
If we provide free downvotes, No investor is interested in steem. Why a investor wants to loose his money by silly free downvotes. You will see in long run that NO investor will interested in Hive because of silly free downvotes. You can also see this in steem price, after these downvotes war steem price never go upward side.
Let assume a case, when a curator(you) upvote a post for curation and after that a huge free downvote come and post payout goes to zero (there are so many reasons of downvotes). Then what will curator (you) do. Curator don't like platform as a investor and leave the platform. What is the fault of curator?
This free downvotes are only made to cheat the systems and don't wants to earns others side of people (curator/investor). Some people has knowledge and some has money, both will come together and take the platform to moon. Only one person can't take it to moon. Here they wants only knowledgeable persons, they don't wants the investor. How steem will go on moon? with this philosophy never possible. We have also take care of investor. Both should equally important for the system.
The knowledgeable persons let go outside and make Hive. There let them run free downvotes, here we don't wants free downvotes. You should support in removing this feature and see the price in long run, and you will see that steem price definitely improve in upside. We have to take everyone together. Not only me and you. Always cares all, then definitely one day we will on moon.
I knew this feature that every steemians has 3 free downvotes daily. That should be removed.
You still didn't tell me how you want to prevent reward pool exploitation, spam and plagiarism without flags. A real investor (I mean investor, not short term profiteer) supports other users to attract them to the platform to increase the value of his investment. He doesn't try to extract as much money as possible as fast as possible.
In "My STEEM Vision." I suggested the following:
"If it were up to me, ways and means would have to be found to contain 'flag wars' waged purely for personal motives. For example, a committee of respected users elected by the community and equipped with sufficient delegated STEEM power could be called in such cases and then decide whether the flags were justified or not."
No, I think the STEEM price started declining after bid bots took over, because since then quality posts weren't rewarded anymore so that many people just started to spam big time.
No, like if you upvote, also if you downvote, your downvote mana is getting less. If it has reached zero, the next downvote costs upvote mana.
If you talk of three 'free' downvotes you could also talk of ten 'free' upvotes.
The flag will be OK, but it could not be free as currently given. It should be from 10 upvotes pool say daily upvote+downvote = 10 votes or say X value. If you want to upvote or downvote it is totally upto any steemians. There should be no difference. Upvote and downvote should have same mana not different. Whatever way they wants, use that way. Both are same. I am just telling that there should not different mana for each. Both should be same.
We are both on same thoughts but difference is only that you required different mana for downvotes & upvotes And my thoughts mana should not different for both. I never say that downvotes not required.
Hope you understand. I think no more discussion required on this topic. We both think same only difference in mana allocation.
Actually, I never wrote in my post to be in favour of what you call 'free' downvotes. It's you who assumed I would mean that. :)
But well, if you directly ask me, I tend to like the idea of what you call 'free' downvotes, because otherwise there just aren't enough flags to limit plagiarism and spam.
So it's true that we partly disagree.
Concerning flags for disagreement on opinion, I already described how I would try to curb them by using elected arbitration courts.
Apart from that I tend to agree with the idea of @glory7 that a reasoning should be necessary before flagging anybody.
Thanks.