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RE: Steemit Update

in #steem2 years ago (edited)

How about try listening to your customers (users)? Maybe the attrition rate wouldn't have been so high and all the newcomers exiting so fast if you paid them some attention to understand why they showed up in the first place... I've given you many messages myself, but you ignore them. Sad for all the people involved, but until you realize that in any business you must learn what your customers want, then this place will not turn around. I gave it a solid year and made 500 steem ($150) and spent many many hours a day.

Here's a perfect example:

I wrote a post for @abh12345's contest on why Steemit is so good and my post was in the top 3... But you didn't comment it, or upvote it... nor did you take the time to comment or mention the winner either.... You were friends with one of the girls and managed to give her a $1 or $2 upvote, so obviously you saw the contest, but didn't take the time to comment on people actually trying to help YOU and YOUR COMPANY... Pretty sad in so many respect...

  1. it makes you appear that you are an elite that doesn't care about the "common folks"
  2. it makes you a bad marketing guy because that message from the contest should've been not only have been read, but PROMOTED.
  3. it makes people lose respect for you as a leader, because you are not just failing to lead, but you don't even recognize the leaders like Asher (@abh12345)... How can you lead if you fail to spot other leaders? (think about it and be honest, you know I'm right)
  4. the failure to upvote the winning post, while giving a trivial upvote to someone you are connected to also sends a message that a) you're cheap and b) you're willing to reward your friends for their content (with an implicit, "as long as they suck up to you"). NOTE: I was not the winning post, but I damn well remember how I felt that day about your snub of the actual winner.

I doubt you will listen to this, and I certainly don't care about any upvotes anymore. I just thought maybe someone telling you the truth might one day get through. You are a young guy, but you have put yourself in surroundings that you a) get told what they think you want to hear or b) get complete hate negativity thrown in your direction. I would suggest that listening to either of those groups has put you and Steemit in the position it is today. I would also suggest that you "search" for people that will tell you the truth.

One last thing, if you're going to run a "social" platform, you should try to let people have more than 10 comments a day... If you think there is any way in hell people are going to pay you to talk, then you have no idea what motivates the common man/woman. A social site that restricts its users to a point that is noticeable, will die a quick death (as I'm sure you've seen in the numbers). And by the way, I (and many others) tried to tell you this when HF20 came out, but for some reason whoever's instincts its was to go forth and see if people would accept it was dead wrong. I can only hope that person is in the 70% because they really did a disservice to you and the company.

Take care and good luck, I truly hope Steemit succeeds and steem goes up in value. I have many friends that I've met here and I also see the potential. But until there is a leader at the top that "gets it", then it won't ever come close to that potential. I do hope if you stay in that role, that you develop the skills. I myself learned them over a long career. It doesn't happen overnight, but you are capable of fixing this and if you do, then everyone will put this moment in time behind them.



You're saying that people come to Steemit to get attention from the founder? I came to Steemit and I've never ever even hoped for Ned's answer to any of my comments or posts. He doesn't have to do that imo, but if he does, it's just the cherry on top.

People shouldn't expect an upvote or a comment from the founder imho. People should focus on building their community.

no he's saying a leader shouldn't be so biased :)
votes was one of the signs. disabling the comments for a video where he wants to emphasize transparency is another.

Thank you for explaining this without getting mad. : )

With all due respect that is one of the worst conclusions someone could come up with from my comment. The lack of his attention in the situation described was an example to illustrate where @ned is failing and has nothing to do with me "wanting an upvote". You should read things a little better before you try to dismiss the argument with such a shallow argument.

And I know of many people that focused on building the community, but many of them felt they were working against management. If you are afraid of the truth being stated online, then I'm the wrong person to speak to. Steemit is failing not due to any sentiments of any users, but because they are currently failing to listen to the users. The ones that are trying to give them advice on how to fix that are "helping them".

And please don't insult me again by twisting words to make me look shallow.

I'm sorry if you feel insulted by my conclusions, but I don't think it's anything to get mad over. I didn't try or want to insult you or anyone so maybe you shouldn't feel insulted so easily. Maybe you were just in a bad mood a bit? IDK You just could've opened a further discussion and explain without getting arrogant. < Didn't deserve this imho. :/

I get what you're saying with your second paragraph though, because as a community builder, I've felt the same. I mean I like to build a community on Steem, but then again I've felt a thousand times that why doesn't Steemit do it themself or am I even allowed to do that on my own.
As I've understood, decentralization stands for community running things and therefore Steemit has let us do that, not doing much themself. At one hand, that makes Steem decentralized, no? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I fully am fine with Steemit letting us build our own community and don't care if they ever market things or spend resources on helping make the community vibrant. I do however care that they make rules that make it almost impossible for people to stay. The implementation of HF20 and the introduction of RCs (which limited certain functions based on what THEY deemed important) was a disaster. People that sign up now have limits of 10 (or less) comments a day. I know some people think that's perfectly ok, but they essentially killed making this a mass adoption social platform. If that's what they want, they should just tell us. I have spent a year trying to get people to stay involved because of the "potential" to go viral, but that one decision makes it an impossibility. NOTE: for those that claim there is a cost to running the blockchain, my answer to that is these limits on any particular function are purely arbitrary. Why limit the thing new users care most about unless you are either 1) trying to kill it or 2) so out of touch that you have no idea what its like to be a new member that's learning for the first time how this place works.

ps... I don't want to argue with you about the point where you say I felt insulted. Its not important.


This! This right here!!

Very well said. There is a reason people came to steemit, there is a reason people stay on steemit, now it looks like there is a reason for Ned and Steemit Inc to figure out why.

Exactly @bashadow... And if I were @ned, I'd get in contact with YOU first... You are the epitome of a great Steemian that just shows up and tries to make everyone's life better on a daily basis!

He just needs to look back on his own companies reason for steemit, like they advertise on their home pages, why did he start the company, what did he want from the company, and what change did he want to bring about. From front page, (he should look at it every now and then:

A new social media model
where contributors get
big perks

Well put and succinct. Your points are exactly the reason I created an account, but haven't really used the platform yet. Another huge problem is the power structure and how rewards are distributed. We need equality, not an Oligarchy. Then the social aspect needs to be well, more social. I am not interested in having to use another platform like Discord for a truly interactive experience.

You should post sometime. I'm sure you have something of value to say, and it is a decent way to build Steem Power to a point where your votes cross the dust threshold and you no longer need to count your comments

I may just use another UI and If I do, cross-posting is frowned upon...So, do I choose Steemit, Whaleshares or WeKu? I'm still in the fence.

I’m loving whaleshares right now there is also ONO

Hahahahahahaha. What are you like Ultraviolet 😂😂

:D they are great though :) room for a few

Thank you very much @mineyourmind! I have really enjoyed my 1 year here (despite the lack of management's good decisions). Everything isn't good or bad only, there are many things that are awesome here, and of course many that are not so awesome... On balance I keep coming back for the people I've met... some really good ones that make any of the bad things tolerable.

And yes I totally agree that if they could integrate some of the functionality on Discord somehow, it would be a killer app that would certainly help me... Right now I spend almost 99% of my time on Discord now, and that is where they also lose business to competitiors... I have had many friends try to "steal me away" from Steemit! :P

Nice to meet you and again, thank you for the nice compliment!

ned needs to take this comment seriously. there'll always be dick suckers and haters but he's not listening to the modest people who just wanna speak the truth. i think the current rc budget is actually less than 10 comments a day for a new user, which shows how disconnected he might be.

if steem can't go for decentralization, at least let some else with a little more humility take over.

When a job opens up for someone to tell you the truth I am in line right behind Dave. Seriously though you should let people like @davemccoy and @abh12345 help. They are good people.

lol... Yes I know you would be there for sure DDC! And it would be great if they actually took the time to learn what we know, they are missing out on a treasure trove of some seriously smart people from all walks of life!

Some people are not able to think outside the box. Like my teachers in school used to tell me " you won't have a calcualtor with you all the time in life" . Oh really? Like the one I am typing this reply on and then going to make call on? That calculator? I have been telling them to make trending for actual trending posts and put the bid bot garbage in the promoted section and put a 5% tax/Beneficiaries on it for a long time now. The Beneficiaries would go back to steemit for operating costs. Then trending wouldn't fucking suck and steemit could make some $ off this dumpster fire they have going on. I have tried to get people to come on here and got them accounts set up and stuff and they always bail in onder 2 weeks.

Are you giving up on Steem which is much better than Gab, Minds, Bitchute, Brighteon, MeWe, Utterz, etc? Making money with cryptocurrencies, including Steem, is a long-term investment, and it is a gamble that may or may not work. There are a lot of variables that we should consider and we live in historical times. You should hang on and wait another ten years or more for all of this to work out. We need a lot more time to get all of this to work. It's not as easy as we all may want it to be.

No I'm not giving up on Steem, I was just giving @ned some advice... Whether he takes it or not is up to him. I have no intentions of selling my steem to buy anything other than steem monsters (which is also a variable that I think might even save the platform!) ... Thanks for the optimistic view though, that is a very nice thing for you to try and do (convince me to stay patient!) ;)

Great. Good advice. Can we mine or seed Steem like we can with Bitcoin, BitTorrent, etc?

That I don't know, I'm sure there are others here that would know!

Definitely one of the best replies I've ever seen in Steemit.

Thank you very much for the compliment @glory7!

hi @davemccoy

would you mind sharing with me link to your mentioned post ? I failed to find it and I would really like to have a look

Sure I'm happy to do that... Here you go!

And if you go to the same date on @abh12345's page, you will see his wonderful attempt to get a positive message out! And you can see the other entries too!

Thanks for checking on this, its nice to know :)

Im very sorry for such a late reply @davemccoy

Thank you for being so responsive. I noticed that you have enormous follower base. CRAZY!

You're one of the most popular blogger here on Steemit, arent you?