50 DAYS TO UNDERSTANDING THE END-TIMES MORE ACCURATELY - DAY 2 : "THE TRIBULATION" - AUDIO & VIDEO

in spirituality •  last year 

This is DAY TWO of the daily devotional.


I am releasing a 50 day daily devotional about the end-times as revealed in Scripture. Along with the text, I will be providing a video where I cover the text of the day, and @verbal-d will be providing an audio version of it. That way, whether you want to read, watch, or listen, you'll be able to enjoy this study as you wish.

The plan is to release this devotional over the next 50 consecutive days, but life may "get in the way." We will do our best, but please be patient with me if I fall behind.

The SoundCloud Audio from @verbal-d

The YouTube Video from @papa-pepper

The Text I Originally Shared on the @narrowminded Account

DAY 2 : "THE TRIBULATION"

There is a common belief within much of Christianity that a “seven year tribulation period” will eventually come upon the entire world. This time period is commonly referred to as “The Tribulation”, and is believed to be a time when God’s wrath is poured out upon the earth.

If you’ve ever opened a Bible and attempted to learn more about “The Tribulation”, you may have found that God never refers to “The Tribulation”. This is an immediate obstacle which one must get around if one is going to gain understanding on this subject from the Bible. The closest thing that the Bible ever actually says is recorded in the following verse, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:” (Matthew 24:29).

This is the only occurrence of the phrase “the tribulation” in the entire Bible. If you have an exhaustive concordance, look up “tribulation” and see how many times the word “the” appears immediately prior to it, thus appearing as “the tribulation” within the pages of Scripture. You will quickly see that of all 22 times the word “tribulation” appears, only once is it ever found directly after the word “the”.

In the one place that we do find “the tribulation” in the Bible, a specific phrase immediately follows it; “of those days”. Obviously, this means that “the tribulation” mentioned is just one specific time of tribulation, of which there are others. There could not be a “tribulation of those days” unless there were also tribulations of other days. This is why we see the word “tribulation” used so often in so many other places in the Bible. Interestingly, within the pages of the New Testament, “tribulation” is used most often in association with believers. This is peculiar because many believe in a pretribulational rapture. Their belief is that true believers will be raptured (or taken) from the earth prior to “The Tribulation”. Though the word “tribulation” occurs 19 times in the KJV New Testament, there are actually two words in the original Greek which are translated as “tribulation”. The more common is “thlipsis”, which is used 45 times, and the lesser used is “thlibo”, appearing 10 times. Thlipsis means “distress”, “trouble”, or “oppression” and thlibo means “to press upon or cause trouble, to be troubled, persecuted, or pressed”.

Of the 45 times thlipsis is used, 35 times it pertains only to believers (77.77777% of the time).

Of the 10 times that thlibo is used, 7 times it only pertains to believers (70% of the time).

This means that based on the New Testament, tribulation is mostly a Christian experience.

I will soon post an exhaustive listing of every occurrence of these words.

Obviously, Scripture clearly teaches that believers will experience tribulation upon this earth. In regard to “The Tribulation” though, the Bible is silent. Since God never uses that phrase the way that man does, God does not define it or specifically tell us anything about it. This is problematic.

We must be wary when men choose to use unbiblical phrases. Since God neither uses nor defines these phrases, man can then choose to define them as he sees fit, perhaps even to fit his theology or agenda.

Point #1: God never mentions “The Tribulation” in the way that many have grown accustomed to.

Point #2: God therefore does not define this phrase.

Point #3: Since God neither uses nor defines “The Tribulation”, we are unable to gain any insight simply by looking up “The Tribulation” in the Bible.

BONUS- A Biblical, New Testament Understanding of Tribulation

Here is the audio and text for an exhaustive study of New Testament of "thlipsis" and "thlibo," the only words ever translated as "tribulation" in the New Testament.


There are only two Greek words which are translated as “tribulation” in the New Testament, “thlipsis” and “thlibo”. The following is a listing of every occurrence of both of these words in the KJV Bible.

THLIPSIS

This is an exhaustive listing of the forty five verses that “thlipsis” is used in. Thirty five of the times that it is used it applies only to believers (77.7777777% of the time).


“But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy recieveth it; Yet hath not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.” - Matthew 13:20-21

“For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” - Matthew 24:21

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:” – Matthew 24:29

“But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,” - Mark 13:24

“These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.” - John 16:33

“Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.” - Acts 14:22

“(God) Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;” - Romans 2:6-9

“And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;” - Romans 5:3

“Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?” - Romans 8:35

“Rejoicing in hope: patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;” - Romans 12:12

“(God) Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.” - 2 Corinthians 1:4

“Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.” - 2 Corinthians 7:4

“Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;” - 2 Thessalonians 1:6

“I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.” - Revelation 1:9

“I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.” - Revelation 2:9

“Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.” - Revelation 2:10

“Behold, I will cast her (Jezebel) into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.” - Revelation 2:22

“And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” - Revelation 7:14

“So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:” - 2 Thessalonians 1:4

“And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;” - Romans 5:3

“Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.” - Ephesians 3:13

“And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; And have no root in themselves, and so endure for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word’s sake, immediately they are offended.” - Mark 4:16-17

“For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.” - Mark 13:19

“Now there came a dearth over all the land of Egypt and Chanaan, and great affliction: and our fathers found no sustenance.” - Acts 7:11

“For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote unto you with many tears; not that ye should be grieved, but that ye might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you.” - 2 Corinthians 2:4

“For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;” - 2 Corinthians 4:17

“Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia; How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.” - 2 Corinthians 8:1-2

“Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds.” - Philippians 1:15-16

“Notwithstanding ye have well done, that ye did communicate with my affliction.” - Philippians 4:14

“And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost:” - 1 Thessalonians 1:6

“Therefore, brethren, we were comforted over you in all our affliction and distress by your faith:” - 1 Thessalonians 3:7

“Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.” - James 1:27

“And (God) delivered him out of all his afflictions, and gave him favour and wisdom in the sight of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and he made him governor over Egypt and all his house.” - Acts 7:10

“Save that the Holy Ghost witnesseth in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me.” - Acts 20:23

“But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,” - 2 Corinthians 6:4

“Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church:” - Colossians 1:24

“That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto.” - 1 Thessalonians 3:3

“But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions; Partly whilst ye were made a gazing-stock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.” - Hebrews 10:32-33

“Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.” - Matthew 24:9 (Compare Matthew 10:18-22)

“But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.” - 1 Corinthians 7:28

“Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.” - 2 Corinthians 1:4

“For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life:” - 2 Corinthians 1:8

“A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.” - John 16:21

“For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality.” – 2 Corinthians 8:13-14

“Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.” - Acts 11:19

THLIBO

Below is an exhaustive listing of the ten verses that contain “thlibo”. Seven out of ten times it applies only to believers (70% of the time).


“And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.” - 2 Corinthians 1:6

“Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man, Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints’ feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.” - 1 Timothy 5:9-10

“They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;” - Hebrews 11:37

“We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;” - 2 Corinthians 4:8

“For, when we were come into Macedonia, our flesh had no rest, but we were troubled on every side; without were fightings, within were fears.” - 2 Corinthians 7:5

“And to you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,” - 2 Thessalonians 1:7

“Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” - Matthew 7:14 (Interesting Note: What if this was translated as afflicted, troubled, or persecuted instead of “narrow”?)

“For verily, when we were with you, we told you that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.” - 1 Thessalonians 3:4

“And he spake to his disciples, that a small ship should wait on him because of the multitude, lest they should throng him.” - Mark 3:9

“Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation (“thilipsis”) to them that trouble you;” - 2 Thessalonians 1:6


Conclusion on Tribulation

Not only do we never see the term “The Tribulation” used in the way which the pretribulationists use it, we also see that Biblically, tribulation is more often than not a Christian experience.

Since it is never used in the way which the pretribulationists use it, we can gain ZERO understanding on the subject by actually studying the word in context. THEREFORE, all insight gained about “The Tribulation” must come from verses that do not speak of “The Tribulation” or from the “understanding” of the pretribulational theologians. They use a term from the Bible in a way that the Bible never does and craft it to fit their presuppositions, perhaps unintentionally.

Why are so many intimidated by the study of eschatology? I believe that it is mostly because they can make no sense of it by opening the Bible, and feel incapable of grasping these truths, because much of what the learned class of theologians and preachers teach either isn’t in the Bible, or certainly doesn’t line up with it. Yet, most will never consider that such men may be in error, which reminds me, please remember that I may be in error here, but the Bible is certainly not. Does this line up with Scripture?

Please continue to join me on this 50 day exploration, and see what you think.

CLOSER

If anyone is really interested, I did post the entire volume through an alt account over a year ago. I did so as an experiment to see how hard it would be for a new user to get noticed on steemit, so I didn't let anyone now that I was doing it. You can click here to a post that has links to the entire 50 days of this devotional if you really want to read ahead. That information has always been available there since I first posted it. It is not the purpose of this series to just copy all of my previous work, but instead to transform it into some new outlets by releasing it in an audio and video format, to broaden the reach that this work has.

Again, though I will certainly never claim to know it all, I do believe that many are being lead astray by some popular beliefs. I hope that this project will be able to help many others understand the end-times more accurately. Thanks!

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  ·  last year (edited)

I appreciate all the hard work you have done here! It is wonderful to get discussions going about the Bible, as long as they are discussions and not "I'm right - you are wrong" arguments. Those arguments let the world see division where there should be unity. I really do look forward to following along and also listening along with @verbal-d.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. (KJV.)

After 52 years of being a Christian, I have heard every interpretation of the END TIMES, so this one is not new to me. I honestly do not believe that anyone has a true handle on "THE TRUTH". One advantage of having moved a lot within 3 different countries, is that I have by necessity attended different denominations, each with credible "PROOF" of their interpretations of scripture. We attend a Calvary Chapel now, where the Bible is read from beginning to end from the pulpit, and the Bible studied. It has been very refreshing for me to not have to deal with sermons based on a single verse from scripture. No claim is made to a handle on the truth, other than that of the simple TRUTH of the GOSPEL. Our pastor will often say, "This is what I think this passage means," but he always acknowledges that there are others who see things differently about such things as The Tribulation, Predestination etc.

Sadly, I have seen too many arguments arise from people claiming that they have a mastery of "THE TRUTH." I have been reading the Bible cover to cover, over and over about 24 years now. I can't count how many times now that I have read all the way through to Revelation, using different translations because no translation is 100% correct in some minor things. They are just TRANSLATIONS. The more I read, the more I can see how different people interpret things differently. There is a case for every argument, and I could likely take the side of every argument because I can see where they are all coming from.

I like the NLT translation's wording of 2 Timothy 2:14: Remind everyone about these things, and command them in God’s presence to stop fighting over words. Such arguments are useless, and they can ruin those who hear them. (By the way, if you speak more than one language you will know that no language can ever be translated literally, so arguments about the KJV versus the NLT etc. are futile arguments over words. LOL!) Biblical Hebrew and Biblical Aramaic can be studied to an extent, but not until we get to heaven will we know the whole story.

1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. (KJV)

1 Corinthians 13:12 Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity.[a] All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely. (NLT)

That being said, my own conclusion is that there is a difference between the tribulations that we all face and the Great Tribulation to come. But then again, that comes from weighing up all the different interpretations, and it is just my conclusion from my own reading of Scripture. We all have the Holy Spirit to guide us, so is He guiding me better than He is guiding you, or guiding you better than He is guiding me? I don't believe so. Reading the Bible draws us near to God, and that is His intention. He wants a relationship with us. Hopefully these studies will serve to make Christians read the Scripture for themselves and will help them to draw closer into a relationship with Him. Thanks, and Blessings!

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I will never make the claim to understand any part of The Bible, because as you said "...no language can ever be translated literally, so arguments about the KJV versus the NLT etc. are futile arguments over words." and if I'm can't be 100% positive on the accuracy of one translation over another than I can't ever be 100% positive of the accuracy of my understanding either. God bless, have an awesome day! :D

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The amazing thing though, is that every translation is clear about the basic truths of the Bible, and the gospel is the same message wherever you read it.

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Yes I agree with that, they all have the same basics, but there are also, differences, which shouldn't exist, but I think most of the differences are mainly of language/interpretation of other languages and trying to get the closest word/phrase of the language its being translated into. I might be wrong, and am willing to hear others opinions on this, but that is what I believe currently.

As Christians, we better be prepared for the possibility of going through the tribulation. I believed in a pre-trib rapture because of teachings I heard on the radio, until @bluerthangreen showed me scripture verses that indicated the rapture could just as easily take place at the end. We see many verses urging Christians to be faithful to the point of death. Our ancestors went through things like this in the Reformation and Counter-Reformation. Who are we to think we will avoid it? God has not appointed us to wrath, but He has appointed us to a measure of suffering. And that suffering will do its good work in us, if we allow it to.

  ·  last year (edited)

I'm very moved with this interpretation.. God bless you.

I want to contribute my little knowledge "God way can't be defined by knowledge of men" there are many ways tribulations mentioned in the Bible but the way of God is beyond human comprehension. To me I think most important is for one's to renew his or her relationship with God no doubt we are in " End Time" the Jerusalem was announced by Trump some days has much related to Biblical prophecy now it's has come to fulfilment. Except a man in the spirit of God "Holy Spirit / Hope Ghost" before he can understand the " Words of God" in book of Romans " Bible Describe Holy Spirit as Interpretation spirits, Comforter , Counselor etc. God is spirit no knowledge of man describe about God"

In conclusion it will be wise move for us to renew our relationship with God " Jesus Christ say "In life you shall see tribulations but be of good cheer I have overcome the world" Apostle Paul say "Nothing can celebrate me from the love of Christ" not famine, not persecution , not poverty or anything should celebrate us from God .. we need the grace of God daily , we are sojourn here home is "Heaven" Stephen was stoned to death because of tribulations but Despise this he never compromised yet he say "Forgive them" Disciples of Jesus Christ dead a horrible death yet they stand even at the points of death"

Some of you will read about Christians being hugely persecuted by Bokoharam in Northern Nigeria. Many stand with Jesus and were killed because of Gospel. Let pray each day for "Grace and Mercy of God" for it is written " I will have mercy upon whom I will have mercy upon and compassion on whom I will have compassion upon" Knowledge of man can't defined way of God.....
The Problems will have now in this contemporary World is that "Man philosophy is taking control of the Church not the "Spirit of God" this is the deception of evil. Let everyone of us be preparing and renew our relationship with God" let pray for Spirit of God "Holy Spirit" in our lives, else deception of devil and human philosophy will lead to destruction.

I pray the Spirit of God helps you to interpret his Words.

Keep the good work.

Re-steemed √√√

  ·  last year (edited)

A good read and video for religion savvy folks and for those who are willing to learn...keep it up my dear wild man and keep steeming.
Today , I wrote about Why the Rich and Poor need cryptocurrencies -feel free to see it when you are free. More success to you and keep it coming!!!!!

Very interesting. As I said yesterday, I'm planning on doing a thorough study of Revelations after the New Year so this is very timely. That said, I haven't actually done it yet so this is a little deep for me. For instance, I didn't even know there was a "the Tribulations" so your arguments for or against its existence are all new to me. I'm thinking this is a building block in setting up future messages you'll be delivering so I'll try to remember it when the time comes. :-)

As a knife needs a whetstone to grind off the rough edges and sharpen its blade, so do we as Christians need tribulations to grow and sharpen our faith. God will not give us more than we can handle so we can feel secure in knowing that with Him, we will make it through to the other side, stronger than ever.

Keep up the good work. I'm already looking forward to the next one....

Amazing @papa-pepper..

Papa ! Papa-pepper !! You have done it again.am very happy to learnt two words today which are thlipsis and thlibo which will help me to understand more about the tribulation in Bible. Been more concerns about Christianity posting more about it which I always use my picture written on it ' steem eternity network worldwide' I am very much delightful to have come across your post.may God bless you as you have blessed my life today

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Thanks for the encouragement!

So busy with the judging of the popcontest I missed Day 1 , I will watch them both later today . Thanks for sharing ! Upped and resteemed !!👍👍👍✌💕

Wow! This is eyes opening @papa-pepper, I must follow this daily till end

Good papa-pepper

Posting yang sangat bagus.. Senang melihatnya. Terima kasih sudah berbagi pengalaman dan perbandingan informasi.lanjutkan karya anda semoga
Sukses selalu untuk anda.

it turns out you are also a religious @papa-pepper :)

This is an excellent post! Digging deeper into the scriptures is where His Truth is revealed! I can't wait to go over all these scriptures. The devil is literally in the details... and most seem not to want to dig deep enough to get to the semantics of the language and it's usage. Thanks for all you to Pops! God Bless & Keep You and Your Family! =)

you have dont it, i wonder to read it
“I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.” - Revelation 2:9
amazing struggle , hard work

It is a normal thing for a Christian to go through challenges, even our Lord Jesus Christ himself had his own portion while He was alive. Tribulation I can say is part of the journey of a Christian

''Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. For you are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.'' 1 Thessalonians 5:2

Every day, is a potential day. No man knoweth the hour except our Father in heaven. ( Matthew 24:36 )

Θλίβω ( thlibo ) and Θλίψης ( thlipsis ) literally mean - to induce sorrow and -sorrow.

Great post Papa-pepper!
God bless you!

Mind blown. Thank you for sharing.

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Thanks for coming along for this study. You just wait, hopefully things will make a lot of sense.

Thanks for the insight into this subject, @papa-pepper. I've tried to research the tribulation myself, but turned up empty handed. Probably because it's not something God gave us insight into, as you said. I'm really into studying the end times right now because I see so many signs and things that would point to those days being close somehow. And I'm looking forward to 47 more days of posts from you. Thanks for sharing!

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I hope that by the end of this study you will not be emptyhanded.

Sometimes people forget preachers and pastors are human and even thou they go to college and do a lot of studing of the bible. We need to remember they are giving us their own opinion on what the bible says.

My pastor always tells us to check it out for ourselves. And we are free to go discuss with him or the Decons anything we need to get clarfied in the bible.

I love this verse: “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.” - John 16:33, its one of my favorites because it reminds me that no matter what humanity throws at me God already dealt with it and overcame it so He can easily do it again on my behalf or aid me to do it for myself, whichever is part of His plan. :D

I’m more spiritual than religious but stilll find these studies of old texts fascinating

I was taught a pre-trib rapture growing up but not I do not believe that will happen, at least not how the christian church teaches it. Some scriptures verses that challenged this think include.

John 17:15 - I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.

Matthew 13:30 - Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”

This last verse indicating that the tares will be gathered first before His people are gathered!

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YYYYEEEESSSS

I used to believe in the seven year tribulation period for seven years coincidentally. It is based on an application of the 70 week prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27. Things changed when it was revealed to me that there is a mathematical error associated with that application. Because of that, my entire eschatological perspective at the time was disrupted. But such disruptions are necessary when one wants to know the truth.

THESE TRUTHS CAN BE A HARD PILL TO SWALLOW! So far I'm tracking with you! You have a great way of stating truth without getting all snarky! @mnmleger

Ah man, great post! Wish I could have seen this sooner to upvote :-/

The idea of, "The Tribulation" (aka, the secret rapture) as know in the popular term is as you said, not biblical. Nor does it compare to the examples in the Bible and is extremely dangerous. There are people who are procrastinators and will think, "Ah, I'll just wait until the Rapture happens and then I'll fix my life up." But the Bible never gives examples of a second chance.

  • Noah wasn't saved from the Flood, He saved him THROUGH the flood.
  • Moses wasn't saved from the plagues, he was saved THROUGH the plagues.

In other words, God will protect us from those events. We will all be present when those things happen.

In Revelation 18:4

4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

God is going to protect his people from the plagues just as he did with Moses. And we'll all still be here on this planet as those plagues happen. It was at the end of the plagues that Moses and his people left Egypt and it will be at the end of the plagues in the last days that "Spiritual Israel" will leave earth to be with God.