What do you expect when you do an illegal act. The police have to enforce law with proportional force and that is what the Spanish police has done like it is done in any democratic and law abiding country.
It is not illegal in any democratic country for the police to take proportional force to enforce judicial orders. Please learn a bit more before answering
On the contrary, it is you and the regional goverment of Catalonia the ones that have completely lost grips with reality. People try to block the police for performing the task ordered by the judges and so the police have to take proportional force to do the task that they are legally binded to do.
In any democratic country it will happen exactly the same if people try to avoid the police making their job.
You are not advocating for freedom but for an illegal secession from Spain. Democracy would be that all Spaniards vote if all of them decide to break apart Spain. What you are proposing has been the source of many wars in history and you are irresponsibly taking all of you into the path of war where all Spaniards will lose being the region of Catalonia the one that most have to lose.
Because the law is the will of all spaniards and not only a small amount of them.
Democracy is that all Spaniards decide whether they want a region of Spain to secede or not, anything else is not democracy but an illegal secession of a country against international law, the European Union Constitution and the Spanish Constitution. The world understands this and that is why all major countries have expressed the support to the Spanish government, from Merkel to Trump.
It is not about the right of people to disassociate but about preventing a small group of people stealing a part of the country from Spaniards. The region of Catalonia has always been part of Spain and they cannot unilaterally decide to steal part of the land of Spain. And with the Spanish Constitution and the law in had, the Spanish Army is ready to prevent such a secession if the regional government of Catalonia attempts to do it.
The United States had already a secession war, Spain also, let's hope that these irresponsible and totalitarian regional politicians don't make us go to the second one.
You are trying to steal the land of Spain from the rest of Spaniards so it is you, a minority of Spaniards, that are trying to foist your control over the majority of Spaniards.
We agree that if voluntary ALL Spaniards decide that the region of Catalonia is no longer part of Spain (even though it has been for thousands of years) then fine. That would be real democracy and freedom and I respect that, but not the fake democracy that you pretend to show to the world. Fortunately intelligent people will detect that you are rally fascist and not democrats.
What you are proposing is not voluntarism, it is extortion of the minority over the majority to steal its land.
You seem inteligent although indoctrinated by decades of lies from the secessionist politicians, I hope that you open your mind and understand it.
It is you, a small portion of the Spaniards living in Catalonia, that want to control the rest of Spaniards in a totally fascist way trying to steal part of their land, because the region of Catalonia is not only yours, it is yours and it is also of the rest of Spaniards.
Franco?! really!? hahaha
That is part of the indoctrination you have had by your fascist secessionist politicians during 30 years... Franco! hahaha
I wasn't even born when Franco died, come one, get real, move on of those indoctrinating lies... don't you see how blind you are?
Team Bank! I want you to be able to vote for team bank. You clearly already do, but I want that to be okay.
And similarly, if I would like to govern myself (without financing you NATO warmongers) because I have asked you to stop and you just don't listen.
So please manage your own affairs.
I feel quite competent to manage mine.
And unless you feel the right to extract rent from me, what happens in Catalonia should be no more your concern than what happens in Brussels. Well, maybe for sheep in Spain, that is a bad example. While you support your corporate collectivist agenda, rent will be extracted. (and it will pay for war planes in the levant.) Have fun with that. Sleep soundly.
What do you expect when you do an illegal act. The police have to enforce law with proportional force and that is what the Spanish police has done like it is done in any democratic and law abiding country.
Don't cry you get what you asked for...
Oh please...
It is not illegal in any democratic country for the police to take proportional force to enforce judicial orders. Please learn a bit more before answering
If you think this is anything other than police brutality you have lost grips with reality... https://twitter.com/hashtag/CatalanReferendum
On the contrary, it is you and the regional goverment of Catalonia the ones that have completely lost grips with reality. People try to block the police for performing the task ordered by the judges and so the police have to take proportional force to do the task that they are legally binded to do.
In any democratic country it will happen exactly the same if people try to avoid the police making their job.
Stop being childist and grow up!
If advocating freedom is childish in your opinion, so be it.. https://twitter.com/imMAK02/status/914470584498757632
You are not advocating for freedom but for an illegal secession from Spain. Democracy would be that all Spaniards vote if all of them decide to break apart Spain. What you are proposing has been the source of many wars in history and you are irresponsibly taking all of you into the path of war where all Spaniards will lose being the region of Catalonia the one that most have to lose.
Yes I believe they should have the right and freedom to vote wether they want to be released from this tyranny...
Having the freedom to hold a referendum is not illegal, you're not fooling anyone..
Let me get this straight: if your wife wants a divorce you also get to vote whether she can divorce or not?!
If law is based on the will of the people, how possibly could voting be illegal?
Check your facts, troll. And stop spamming my posts.
Because the law is the will of all spaniards and not only a small amount of them.
Democracy is that all Spaniards decide whether they want a region of Spain to secede or not, anything else is not democracy but an illegal secession of a country against international law, the European Union Constitution and the Spanish Constitution. The world understands this and that is why all major countries have expressed the support to the Spanish government, from Merkel to Trump.
It is not about the right of people to disassociate but about preventing a small group of people stealing a part of the country from Spaniards. The region of Catalonia has always been part of Spain and they cannot unilaterally decide to steal part of the land of Spain. And with the Spanish Constitution and the law in had, the Spanish Army is ready to prevent such a secession if the regional government of Catalonia attempts to do it.
The United States had already a secession war, Spain also, let's hope that these irresponsible and totalitarian regional politicians don't make us go to the second one.
You are trying to foist your control upon me.
Collectivism necessarily involves extortion, unless its voluntary.
If its voluntary, then I opt out.
If its not voluntary, then you are part of the problem.
You are trying to steal the land of Spain from the rest of Spaniards so it is you, a minority of Spaniards, that are trying to foist your control over the majority of Spaniards.
We agree that if voluntary ALL Spaniards decide that the region of Catalonia is no longer part of Spain (even though it has been for thousands of years) then fine. That would be real democracy and freedom and I respect that, but not the fake democracy that you pretend to show to the world. Fortunately intelligent people will detect that you are rally fascist and not democrats.
What you are proposing is not voluntarism, it is extortion of the minority over the majority to steal its land.
You seem inteligent although indoctrinated by decades of lies from the secessionist politicians, I hope that you open your mind and understand it.
Would the EU need to "allow" Spain to leave?
If you want to be part of the union, go ahead. Don't force control over me because of "muh rules from before."
Instead tell me how Franco was a man of the people.
It is you, a small portion of the Spaniards living in Catalonia, that want to control the rest of Spaniards in a totally fascist way trying to steal part of their land, because the region of Catalonia is not only yours, it is yours and it is also of the rest of Spaniards.
Franco?! really!? hahaha
That is part of the indoctrination you have had by your fascist secessionist politicians during 30 years... Franco! hahaha
I wasn't even born when Franco died, come one, get real, move on of those indoctrinating lies... don't you see how blind you are?
Team Bank! I want you to be able to vote for team bank. You clearly already do, but I want that to be okay.
And similarly, if I would like to govern myself (without financing you NATO warmongers) because I have asked you to stop and you just don't listen.
So please manage your own affairs.
I feel quite competent to manage mine.
And unless you feel the right to extract rent from me, what happens in Catalonia should be no more your concern than what happens in Brussels. Well, maybe for sheep in Spain, that is a bad example. While you support your corporate collectivist agenda, rent will be extracted. (and it will pay for war planes in the levant.) Have fun with that. Sleep soundly.