Seems you have not read my blog. You might try looking at ALL of my articles before you make inaccurate accusations. But then again, jumping to conclusions without collecting all of the evidence or fact checking is what it takes to be a flat earther, so your question is not surprising.
It was a question, not an accusation. I'm a working man - maybe I'll get around to your entire blog, but a simple yes or no would have done. I mean, it wasn't rhetorical.
It was a question without meaning except as an accusation. It would have taken you longer to write the question than to glance at the titles on my blog posts and find out the answer.
I made an overly long video about this but I feel like actually visualising it in video helps. I mean, everybody in the debate I was having ignored it so it must have been successful:
I am all for people having their own opinions (in fact I prefer when people do) but in my opinion this whole flat earth stuff is just stupid and can be debunked 1000x from every direction. My main problem with this viral and untrue theory is that it helps to discredit other more credible and serious conspiracy theories, which is a dangerous situation for logic and critical thinking as a whole. Sadly we live in a day and age where people have been lied to so much that now many people are starting default to thinking that EVERYTHING they were told must be a lie, which is why the bullshit flat earth theory gained so much traction in the past few years. If this pattern continues at this rate critical thinking is going to go extinct some time in my lifetime...
It has. You ignoring and denying that it has been is not evidence that the earth is flat. But you are welcome to provide your comprehensive predictive model that predicts all of the natural phenomenon that ARE already predicted using a flat earth model.
If any of the evidence you may refer to was conclusive, then there would be a decrease in the number of people who disagree with you. I think you will find that is not the case.
That is another statement without evidence. Numbers of irrational and ill informed people who join a cult is not indicative of the truth or falsity of the beliefs they are rejecting irrationally.
And still you provide no comprehensive predictive model... because you do not have one.
Correct: I do not have one. Furthermore, your model cannot be correct. Debunking a flat model is meaningless if the world were a sphere that we live inside of. That is not my model, but it is someone's, and I am not quick to dismiss them or the flat earthers. I think you have confused the devil's advocate for a flat earther. There is no burden of proof on the side of the asker - that falls on the side with all the answers.
The burden of proof for the sphere has already been proven, and you have not proven it incorrect despite claiming it is. And pretending to 'ask questions' in order to shift the burden of proof to the answerer is merely a lazy and dishonest tactic to never have to prove your own claims or prove something already proven is incorrect.
But thank you for admitting you have no testable hypothesis. We have nothing more to discuss unless you state specifics, which you seem to be intentionally avoiding.
I'm an avid reader of this debunking flat earth series. I've come to a conclusion, flat-earthers do not own globes but maps. Beware of your geography teacher if he/she always uses a world map but never uses a globe, there's a big possibilty that he/she is a flat earther. Just kidding. Haha! Another awesome post in your debunking series sir @kerriknox. I really enjoyed it! :D
Make some articles. There REALLY needs to be more articles written in an easy to understand way on these topics. I'm particularly hoping that people whose jobs rely on calculating gravity or curvature will start explaining exactly how these calculations are not theoretical, but proven and are used in a practical way.
Well explained @kerriknox ! I hope some flat-Earth "believer" would stumble upon this post for some serious scientific proofs.
Btw I recently saw this vid where they claim satellites are a hoax, and that if Earth was round, we would see buildings in Australia upside down. Seriously guys? .. LOL
Let me ask you something, if its a spinning globe, how come no one has circumnavigated from the North to South pole?
Also how come NASA keeps changing what the earth looks like with there shots they take? Look at the top middle and the bottom left, both of NA. The top NA looks small and very green with deep blue water, the lower one is huge and is mostly desert looking with more greyish-lighter blue looking water. I didnt realize continent could grow over time, did you guys???
It sounds like you are just repeating arguments and not even bothering to think about this yourself. Your questions are nonsensical and fallacious. So, for your first 'question', how would that show the earth was flat if no one had circumnavigated north to south? If it impossible on the globe model and possible on the flat model? Can you show me a diagram of why it would be impossible on a globe? Are their hundreds of sailors throwing up their hands complaining that they tried to do this and simply couldn't because all the maps are wrong? Your 'question' doesn't seem to make the slightest bit of logical sense.
And wouldn't the fact that people HAVE circumnavigated the entirely of Antarctica be a more meaningful measure of definitive proof of something? Specifically that the model the flat earthers use is 100% debunked with that one fact alone?
For your second 'question', NASA has ZERO to do with the shape of the earth. There are literally DOZENS of impossibilities on a flat earth. I simply ignore all arguments of NASA entirely. They are not needed to falsify flat earth 100%. You DO realize that we disproved the flat earth with 100% certainty LONG before NASA ever existed, right?
Your are using a logical fallacy called a 'non sequitur'. It simply 'does not follow' that if NASA lies, then the earth if flat. That is literally bizarre reasoning that I cannot even comprehend. It literally states that you can read minds or use a crystal ball and know the motivation behind any lie they might be telling. It's a ludicrous argument that is logically and factually flawed.
Ignore NASA. What are you left with? NOT a flat earth. Because it's impossible in dozens upon dozens of easily provable ways. For instance, just do a time lapse of the sun using a solar filter. The sun size does not change. That CANNOT occur on a flat earth. That is definitive proof, something you can do yourself, that the earth is not flat, and strongly supports a globe.
so you have no answer for my first question than? Im asking these questions cuz I have thought about them, and Ive done research and I cant find any evidence of North to South circumnavigation. Hence why I thought Id ask and see if you had any answers.
But now you have gone and done what every other globe earther has done, and just told me that Im wrong and Im living in a fairy tale world.
and I only bring up NASA cuz I havent seen any other images of the earth from anyone else. Just NASA, and they all seem to be very different from each other.
Why would the sun size change? I never said it changes, where did you get that from?
I was EXTRAORDINARILY polite to you. And I didn't answer your questions because they are IRRELEVANT. And I EXPLAINED why they are irrelevant to the shape of the earth.
The fact is that you have not thought about your questions. You are just repeating nonsense. I asked you to show me a DIAGRAM or some other REASON why you think that sailing the north to south pole would be impossible on a globe, but possible on a flat earth, such that it is even a valid question. But you didn't even explain why you think that, you just repeated that you can't figure out why no one has. But you can't say why it's RELEVANT to the shape of the earth why no one has.
If you are just interested in the answer because it interests you, perhaps a sailing forum rather than a post about the shape of the earth, would be a better place to pose such a question? Just saying.
I then told you that NASA is not needed to determine the shape of the earth, and gave you TWO FACTS that are IMPOSSIBLE on a flat earth.
And you just come back and insult me and tell me that I told you you are living a fantasy, when what I SAID is that you are making fallacious arguments, and that flat earth is IMPOSSIBLE and told you WHY it's impossible. You are not only being rude, but totally dishonest.
Your questions are not even RELEVANT. It's a NON SEQUITUR to say that NASA lies so the earth is flat. It's a bizarre thought process that one can even begin to conclude such a thing. I am uninterested in spending my day discussing the intricacies of NASA photographs. It will get no one anywhere and is not needed to determine the shape of the earth. If your thing is debunking NASA, please feel free to do so elsewhere. But it's irrelevant to the shape of the earth and I have no idea why you believe NASA is needed in order to determine the shape of the earth or how, even if EVERYTHING they do or so is a lie, how it's relevant to the shape of the earth.
As far as the sun changing, I did not SAY you said it changes, I gave you a link to say that it MUST change size, but doesn't. That SINGLE fact alone debunks flat earth. Period.
You didn't even READ the link that I gave you, then you come back and ask why the sun would change size, when it's EXPLAINED there. Please stop making ridiculous accusations and talking about NASA, and at LEAST go read the article I sent you to in my LAST post that you didn't bother reading to know WHY the sun on a flat earth MUST change size.. but doesn't. And why the circumnavigation of Antarctica, that HAS been done MANY MANY times is impossible on a flat earth.
If you'd like to have discussion further, please eliminate the NASA bit, and provide a relevant reason for a question you are asking of me. And address the impossibilities in the flat earth model as well. I gave you two already, and can give you dozens upon dozens more.
whoa chill out man. I dont think its impossible on a globe to sail from North to South Poles cuz if the earth is a globe you could just keep on sailing down the other side. But on a flat earth you wouldnt be able to continue down the other side you would have to turn around and come back. Hence why I asked why there is no evidence of anyone sailing to the north pole and keep sailing all the way around to the other side of the south pole.
Im sorry if I insulted you, I was just asking questions. I dont care about NASA I only brought them up, cuz all the imagery Ive seen is from them.
I read your posts, the first one just explains what non sequitar means which I dont know why you posted. and the second one I didnt really understand what you were saying.
I just think the things were taught are questionable, so I ask questions
I'm happy that you are asking questions, but they seemed like the flat earther 'trap' questions. They do this all the time and ask a really irrelevant question that they think they 'gotcha'.
I would suspect that the north to south circumnavigation would be because it would be bloody hard. It's not just 'sailing down and sailing back', you'd have to go half way around Antarctica to do it, and people even get trapped in the ice pack all the time. I'm sure if you went on a sailing forum, they could answer your question better. Again, if you have a question about sailing, it would make more sense to ask on a sailing forum. Asking on this implies that you somehow think it's impossible on a globe to do so.
And the reason I say it's a non-sequitur to bring up NASA is because, again, bringing it up on a post about the shape of the earth implies that somehow IF NASA is lying, that somehow would help us determine the shape of the earth. It makes no sense, but tons of people actually make that logical leap.
So, keep asking questions and trying to find answers, but I'd suggest going to the appropriate experts to find questions like that. For instance, people often say, "Oh yeah, well if the earth is a globe, why can you see Venus at night?"
It's a good question, but one that if they are asking, they obviously didn't bother to first check for the answer on an astronomy forum. Your question is a sailing question, best answered by sailors, wouldn't you think?
While the sphere idea may be 2000 years old, it was by no means the popularly accepted idea. A few hundred years is about all the globe can claim, and that has never been unanimous.
Earth is a doughnut rotating under a point lamp keeping it warm, I had the proof for my claim, but I ate it...
That's as much proof as there is for a flat earth. So, your hypothesis is just as plausible!
Is debunking flat earth more important to you than proving a round earth?
Seems you have not read my blog. You might try looking at ALL of my articles before you make inaccurate accusations. But then again, jumping to conclusions without collecting all of the evidence or fact checking is what it takes to be a flat earther, so your question is not surprising.
It was a question, not an accusation. I'm a working man - maybe I'll get around to your entire blog, but a simple yes or no would have done. I mean, it wasn't rhetorical.
It was a question without meaning except as an accusation. It would have taken you longer to write the question than to glance at the titles on my blog posts and find out the answer.
That is a point taken.
I made an overly long video about this but I feel like actually visualising it in video helps. I mean, everybody in the debate I was having ignored it so it must have been successful:
That's a good measure of when you got them - they just ignore the proof in front of them.
Super nice. I like the zooming into the horizon using Google Earth. That's a nice visual.
I am all for people having their own opinions (in fact I prefer when people do) but in my opinion this whole flat earth stuff is just stupid and can be debunked 1000x from every direction. My main problem with this viral and untrue theory is that it helps to discredit other more credible and serious conspiracy theories, which is a dangerous situation for logic and critical thinking as a whole. Sadly we live in a day and age where people have been lied to so much that now many people are starting default to thinking that EVERYTHING they were told must be a lie, which is why the bullshit flat earth theory gained so much traction in the past few years. If this pattern continues at this rate critical thinking is going to go extinct some time in my lifetime...
Then why hasn't it been?
It has. You ignoring and denying that it has been is not evidence that the earth is flat. But you are welcome to provide your comprehensive predictive model that predicts all of the natural phenomenon that ARE already predicted using a flat earth model.
If any of the evidence you may refer to was conclusive, then there would be a decrease in the number of people who disagree with you. I think you will find that is not the case.
That is another statement without evidence. Numbers of irrational and ill informed people who join a cult is not indicative of the truth or falsity of the beliefs they are rejecting irrationally.
And still you provide no comprehensive predictive model... because you do not have one.
Correct: I do not have one. Furthermore, your model cannot be correct. Debunking a flat model is meaningless if the world were a sphere that we live inside of. That is not my model, but it is someone's, and I am not quick to dismiss them or the flat earthers. I think you have confused the devil's advocate for a flat earther. There is no burden of proof on the side of the asker - that falls on the side with all the answers.
The burden of proof for the sphere has already been proven, and you have not proven it incorrect despite claiming it is. And pretending to 'ask questions' in order to shift the burden of proof to the answerer is merely a lazy and dishonest tactic to never have to prove your own claims or prove something already proven is incorrect.
But thank you for admitting you have no testable hypothesis. We have nothing more to discuss unless you state specifics, which you seem to be intentionally avoiding.
I'm sure you believe that, but beliefs are not facts.
I'm an avid reader of this debunking flat earth series. I've come to a conclusion, flat-earthers do not own globes but maps. Beware of your geography teacher if he/she always uses a world map but never uses a globe, there's a big possibilty that he/she is a flat earther. Just kidding. Haha! Another awesome post in your debunking series sir @kerriknox. I really enjoyed it! :D
Do you know the flat earth stuff starts to be a running joke at the uni. We are having fun of it during our lunch breaks :D
Make some articles. There REALLY needs to be more articles written in an easy to understand way on these topics. I'm particularly hoping that people whose jobs rely on calculating gravity or curvature will start explaining exactly how these calculations are not theoretical, but proven and are used in a practical way.
Yours are just great enough so that I don't need to write anything on this. I would just refer to your blog if needed [ Really :) ]
Wow! Thanks! What a great compliment!
Well explained @kerriknox ! I hope some flat-Earth "believer" would stumble upon this post for some serious scientific proofs.
Btw I recently saw this vid where they claim satellites are a hoax, and that if Earth was round, we would see buildings in Australia upside down. Seriously guys? .. LOL
Thans. And I wonder how we'd know these buildings were upside down! Their arguments are so ridiculous.
Thanks for this post - upvoted. I've added a link to it and some of your other posts here: The irony of launching a satellite to prove the Earth is flat
Thanks for you hard work in combating the rampant curvature denial and aquired reality denial syndromes.
Great, I liked your post. Hope that b.o.b raper read a post like this so stop saying that he wants to prove that Earth is flat.
Let me ask you something, if its a spinning globe, how come no one has circumnavigated from the North to South pole?
Also how come NASA keeps changing what the earth looks like with there shots they take? Look at the top middle and the bottom left, both of NA. The top NA looks small and very green with deep blue water, the lower one is huge and is mostly desert looking with more greyish-lighter blue looking water. I didnt realize continent could grow over time, did you guys???
NASA is full of b/s
It sounds like you are just repeating arguments and not even bothering to think about this yourself. Your questions are nonsensical and fallacious. So, for your first 'question', how would that show the earth was flat if no one had circumnavigated north to south? If it impossible on the globe model and possible on the flat model? Can you show me a diagram of why it would be impossible on a globe? Are their hundreds of sailors throwing up their hands complaining that they tried to do this and simply couldn't because all the maps are wrong? Your 'question' doesn't seem to make the slightest bit of logical sense.
And wouldn't the fact that people HAVE circumnavigated the entirely of Antarctica be a more meaningful measure of definitive proof of something? Specifically that the model the flat earthers use is 100% debunked with that one fact alone?
For your second 'question', NASA has ZERO to do with the shape of the earth. There are literally DOZENS of impossibilities on a flat earth. I simply ignore all arguments of NASA entirely. They are not needed to falsify flat earth 100%. You DO realize that we disproved the flat earth with 100% certainty LONG before NASA ever existed, right?
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Non_sequitur
Your are using a logical fallacy called a 'non sequitur'. It simply 'does not follow' that if NASA lies, then the earth if flat. That is literally bizarre reasoning that I cannot even comprehend. It literally states that you can read minds or use a crystal ball and know the motivation behind any lie they might be telling. It's a ludicrous argument that is logically and factually flawed.
Ignore NASA. What are you left with? NOT a flat earth. Because it's impossible in dozens upon dozens of easily provable ways. For instance, just do a time lapse of the sun using a solar filter. The sun size does not change. That CANNOT occur on a flat earth. That is definitive proof, something you can do yourself, that the earth is not flat, and strongly supports a globe.
https://steemit.com/science/@kerriknox/use-this-simple-camera-accessory-to-defeat-the-whole-flat-earth-argument
so you have no answer for my first question than? Im asking these questions cuz I have thought about them, and Ive done research and I cant find any evidence of North to South circumnavigation. Hence why I thought Id ask and see if you had any answers.
But now you have gone and done what every other globe earther has done, and just told me that Im wrong and Im living in a fairy tale world.
and I only bring up NASA cuz I havent seen any other images of the earth from anyone else. Just NASA, and they all seem to be very different from each other.
Why would the sun size change? I never said it changes, where did you get that from?
I was EXTRAORDINARILY polite to you. And I didn't answer your questions because they are IRRELEVANT. And I EXPLAINED why they are irrelevant to the shape of the earth.
The fact is that you have not thought about your questions. You are just repeating nonsense. I asked you to show me a DIAGRAM or some other REASON why you think that sailing the north to south pole would be impossible on a globe, but possible on a flat earth, such that it is even a valid question. But you didn't even explain why you think that, you just repeated that you can't figure out why no one has. But you can't say why it's RELEVANT to the shape of the earth why no one has.
If you are just interested in the answer because it interests you, perhaps a sailing forum rather than a post about the shape of the earth, would be a better place to pose such a question? Just saying.
I then told you that NASA is not needed to determine the shape of the earth, and gave you TWO FACTS that are IMPOSSIBLE on a flat earth.
And you just come back and insult me and tell me that I told you you are living a fantasy, when what I SAID is that you are making fallacious arguments, and that flat earth is IMPOSSIBLE and told you WHY it's impossible. You are not only being rude, but totally dishonest.
Your questions are not even RELEVANT. It's a NON SEQUITUR to say that NASA lies so the earth is flat. It's a bizarre thought process that one can even begin to conclude such a thing. I am uninterested in spending my day discussing the intricacies of NASA photographs. It will get no one anywhere and is not needed to determine the shape of the earth. If your thing is debunking NASA, please feel free to do so elsewhere. But it's irrelevant to the shape of the earth and I have no idea why you believe NASA is needed in order to determine the shape of the earth or how, even if EVERYTHING they do or so is a lie, how it's relevant to the shape of the earth.
As far as the sun changing, I did not SAY you said it changes, I gave you a link to say that it MUST change size, but doesn't. That SINGLE fact alone debunks flat earth. Period.
You didn't even READ the link that I gave you, then you come back and ask why the sun would change size, when it's EXPLAINED there. Please stop making ridiculous accusations and talking about NASA, and at LEAST go read the article I sent you to in my LAST post that you didn't bother reading to know WHY the sun on a flat earth MUST change size.. but doesn't. And why the circumnavigation of Antarctica, that HAS been done MANY MANY times is impossible on a flat earth.
If you'd like to have discussion further, please eliminate the NASA bit, and provide a relevant reason for a question you are asking of me. And address the impossibilities in the flat earth model as well. I gave you two already, and can give you dozens upon dozens more.
whoa chill out man. I dont think its impossible on a globe to sail from North to South Poles cuz if the earth is a globe you could just keep on sailing down the other side. But on a flat earth you wouldnt be able to continue down the other side you would have to turn around and come back. Hence why I asked why there is no evidence of anyone sailing to the north pole and keep sailing all the way around to the other side of the south pole.
Im sorry if I insulted you, I was just asking questions. I dont care about NASA I only brought them up, cuz all the imagery Ive seen is from them.
I read your posts, the first one just explains what non sequitar means which I dont know why you posted. and the second one I didnt really understand what you were saying.
I just think the things were taught are questionable, so I ask questions
I'm happy that you are asking questions, but they seemed like the flat earther 'trap' questions. They do this all the time and ask a really irrelevant question that they think they 'gotcha'.
I would suspect that the north to south circumnavigation would be because it would be bloody hard. It's not just 'sailing down and sailing back', you'd have to go half way around Antarctica to do it, and people even get trapped in the ice pack all the time. I'm sure if you went on a sailing forum, they could answer your question better. Again, if you have a question about sailing, it would make more sense to ask on a sailing forum. Asking on this implies that you somehow think it's impossible on a globe to do so.
And the reason I say it's a non-sequitur to bring up NASA is because, again, bringing it up on a post about the shape of the earth implies that somehow IF NASA is lying, that somehow would help us determine the shape of the earth. It makes no sense, but tons of people actually make that logical leap.
So, keep asking questions and trying to find answers, but I'd suggest going to the appropriate experts to find questions like that. For instance, people often say, "Oh yeah, well if the earth is a globe, why can you see Venus at night?"
It's a good question, but one that if they are asking, they obviously didn't bother to first check for the answer on an astronomy forum. Your question is a sailing question, best answered by sailors, wouldn't you think?
Thanks for stopping by.
It isn't like you've brought anything new to the table here.
Of course I haven't. We've known the earth is a sphere for 2000 years. Why would my not bringing anything new to the table change that fact?
While the sphere idea may be 2000 years old, it was by no means the popularly accepted idea. A few hundred years is about all the globe can claim, and that has never been unanimous.
That is incredibly untrue. It's what flat earth YouTube videos tell you, and you are not bothering to fact check it.
It's what the school system taught me about 1492.
Great. So, you've made it clear that you are unable to fact check.