Use This Simple Camera Accessory to Defeat the Whole Flat Earth Argument

in #science7 years ago (edited)

As I dig more and more into the recent rise of the flat earth phenomenon, it just gets easier and easier to spot their half-truths that promote their cult-like belief system. Their ad hoc solutions to problems just create more problems that they then have to create more ad hoc solutions in order to solve.

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The meme above is a good example of this, where they tell a half-truth in order to maintain their unscientific illusion about one of their necessary ad hoc inventions.

Why Flat Earthers Care About the Size of the Sun

On a flat earth, the sun has a problem. If the sun is far away and as big as it is on a globe earth, then they never have night. If the sun 'sets' over the side, then everyone in the world has daytime and nighttime at the same time. So, the ad hoc solution to this was to create a sun that is close enough and small enough to illuminate exactly half the earth at one time and have it go in a circle over the earth to illuminate different areas at different times.

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While this MIGHT make some sense in the northern hemisphere (but there are still a lot of problems with it that we'll go into in other articles), in the southern hemisphere it becomes a huge problem because It's Impossible On Flat Earth to Have 24 Hours of Daylight in an Antarctic Summer.

But the problems with the flat earth sun are just getting started. One of the big problems for flat earthers is that on a globe, the sun stays the same angular or apparent size, the way it looks to a human observer, on any individual day. This is one way we know that the sun is very large and extremely far away.

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Image Credit: Wikimedia Commons

On a flat earth, however, the sun is so close that it would need to appear to change size throughout the day due to perspective. There is a great Interactive Flat Earth Sun Simulator on Geogebra here, if you are interested in what the size change of the sun would be, according to the flat earth mostly official mythology. As an aside, note that the calculator shows, as other calculators and simulators do as well, the sun never actually setting, since the geometry simply doesn't work. But that is a topic for another day.

Unfortunately for them, in reality, the sun stays the same apparent size. To make matters more complicated, the sun sometimes looks like it changes angular size due to different atmospheric conditions. This allows flat earhers to cherry-pick images that appear to support their claims. But with a bit of knowledge, you will be able to easily spot these types of images.

Why Flat Earthers Don't Use Solar Filters

Flat earthers do not like solar filters. Why? Because they remove the sunbeams and atmospheric distortion that often occur in images of the sun, making the sun look larger and smaller throughout the day. It is more beneficial to them to have these distortions because, without them, they cannot make the case that the sun changes apparent size. I've included an image below of suns with and without atmospheric distortion.

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Image credit: my own

See how the edges of the sun are crisp and clean in the one on the right? That's how you know there is little to know atmospheric distortion or they are using a solar filter. You can see the effects of this atmospheric distortion or glare in this gif of a solar eclipse in Australia. See how the sun looks very large at first, but when the eclipse starts, it shrinks to a fraction of it's original size. That size when it's small is what it's actual viewing size is without any glare.

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Watch for a bit and you'll see the sun shrink to it's natural size as the eclipse shades the glare
Image Credit: Click Here to See the Full Video

What Happens When You Time Lapse With a Solar Filter?

Since we now know that solar filters show us the true nature of our viewing size of the sun, we can now take a look at the size of the sun when a time lapse is done with a solar filter, or without atmospheric distortion. This is a great video using a telescope with an attachment that tracks the sun all day.

As you can see, the sun does not shrink in the sky, but remains the same size at the same level of focus, giving us an 'apples to apples' comparison of the angular size of the sun throughout the day. You can also see this phenomenon in multiple exposure photos where the edges of the sun are crisp and clean, as you can see in this Multiple Exposure Image of the Sunset In Norway.

The Moon Makes a Fine Substitute

Since flat earthers also claim the sun and moon are similar distances away from us on the 'firmament' that rotates around us and they both 'set' due to getting too far away to see, we can use time lapses or multiple exposures of the moon as a reference point to see if it is consistent with a globe earth model or the flat earth idea. See the beautiful lunar eclipse multiple exposure image below.

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Image Credit: Wikimedia Commons

For anyone looking for truth, taking a lunar time lapse, or a solar time lapse with a solar filter is a great way to see for yourself if the claims of flat earthers hold up to scrutiny, and to collect evidence of the shape of the earth yourself.

I hope you enjoyed this article, and that you will resteeem, upvote, and comment to continue to help flat earth debunkers rise to the top of Steemit to help provide easy to understand scientific information to anyone who might be looking into this cult that is exploding in popularity.

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You got a surprising lack of resistance in the comments here! When I asked for a debate on here I got HUDNREDS of comments from dozens of angry flat earthers. None of them finished their arguments though because I annihilated them at every turn while remaining civil and polite like this post =D

You're welcome to help me out here anytime. I'd like to make sure anyone who has not gone full retard yet is at least getting some facts to temper the bad info from flat earthers.

I appreciate the help and I'm trying to 'reward' anyone who takes them on.

You might like the Hitler video I just did. Hilarious. I don't think I'll put it on a Steemit post, as it's a bit too 'inside joke' level funny. So probably not too many people would get it all that much. But I was laughing my ass of making it.

http://captiongenerator.com/701772/Hitler-is-a-flat-earther

This flat earth debacle is really annoying me, lately some people I know personally keep bothering me with it. I stumbled upon it a few years back and found it fascinating as a thought-experiment to test your critical thinking. And teased some of my friends with it. Now that it is getting popular, it seems like it's chasing me.

I like conspiracy theories and question the world I live in, remain critical and skeptical at all times, but this is spinning out of control. Even my sister is losing it...
I studied optics and always had an interest in astronomy. I'm not an expert in astronomy/physics but am somewhat the most knowledgeable about it among my friends and family. Where I could fascinate them with the theories of black holes or the explanation of eclipses, some of them now get angry and try to convince me it's all a scam, and I'm brainwashed...

It's sad to see this rise in anti-science mentality, mostly among people who can't even solve a simple equation. I wouldn't bother trying to convince people who dismiss or distrust math, but it's hard when you really care about them...

So thanks to you for taking it upon you to debunk this.
I hope it helps...

Thanks. Yes, my delving into this topic has been extremely enlightening and educational for me, in more ways than one. It's very easy to disprove the flat earth argument, but they literally cannot listen to reason or even play by their own rules of performing simple experiments like this themselves. ANYTHING that will disprove their theory, they just simply reject it.

Here is the ridiculous thing one women had to say when she showed a video of the sun changing in size, and I showed her that you need a solar filter.

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It's AMAZING the mental gyrations they will go through to reject ANYTHING that does not fit their world view. I'll be doing a piece soon on the fact that one of the mantras of the flat earth community is that the earth doesn't spin and no one has ever measured it.

Well, the irony is that the tecchology is SO advanced to measure it, that they use microprocessors printed onto circuit boards that are inside of phones and gaming controllers like Wii, that use the Coriolis force measurements for more realistic gaming and to measure your activity! And he bigger irony, to prevent rollovers in cars! Maybe we should take away all of the Mems Gyros from flat earthers, since it's 'scientism'.

The flat earthers bother me very much.
It seems that a certain anti science trend started a while ago, and has infested large portions of the internet with this idea that science and rational inquiry are some kind of scam.
This would be harmless nonsense if it was not the same people promoting anti-vaccine myths.

Of course, they would just explain that sky is just a projection on a very very very high resolution dome screen.

Thanks for the article.

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This is a great post and should embarrass Shaquille O'Neal, one of the most famous Flat Earthers. Do they not understand how gravity actually works? Do they not understand that atmosphere can also bend and refract light?

I just do not understand how they get to where they are.
I am still waiting to see photographs of the edge of the earth.

Thanks for posting this.
adding it to my arsenal.

Just my two STEEMS Worth.

Thanks. I'll have many more. To be fair, Shaq said he was joking, but there are others who are not. And to answer your question, no, they don't know those things, or pretend not to because it doesn't confirm their bias.

Ironically, one of the 'fathers' of flat earth, a guy named Samuel Rowbotham, back in the late 1800's, did an 'experiment' on the Bedford Canal where he sighted a ship's sail on the river at 6 miles and declared the earth flat. He was seeing this due to refraction.

Someone though Rowbotham's experiment was definitive and put up a bet for anyone to beat Rowbotham. So a surveyor took him up on the challenge, used a theodolite instead of a spyglass, and put up sights along the river at a height that would eliminate refraction, and voila, he proved the curvature.

However, literally over 100 years later, modern day flat earthers still do their experiments in exactly the same way as Rowbotham, and declare the earth is flat

They call refraction an invention by freemasons designed to hide the flat earth from us, and that it doesn't actually exist.

Yeah, they are that bad. And their numbers are growing frighteningly.

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Camera accessory destroys flat earthers. LOL.

Not that it takes much to do that... :)

I love it.

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