#project-smackdown begins. Kitty is now being released into the wild
Beta
testing is now complete, and we are now siccing kitty on the 4 most vicious self-voted comments it finds, 4 per day, once a day. This gives us the maximum potential to send the strongest possible message to the most decadent.
@smackdown.kitty will never do anything but neutralising at maximum, and since we are hitting the big ones, probably she will only take a tiny fraction out. Anyone who wants to teach these people a lesson, go download Jesta's Vessel Steem GUI wallet, you can read about how to use it here: https://steemit.com/project-smackdown/@l0k1/jesta-s-vessel-steem-gui-wallet - and with that you can lend some of your Steem Power to help her stop some of the autovorotic asphyxiation being performed upon the rewards pool.
If she gets really charged up with power, we will expand the number of top tier self voters she can target. Thanks in advance to anyone who helps :)
By the way, in case you are wondering why I have been so quiet lately, I've been on a mission to get healthy, while I am here in Sofia. Today is day one with zero cigarettes and zero alcohol. So I'm not having a great deal of luck trying to solve some tricky problems I'm encountering with getting a Steem RPC node up and running.
Vote for my witness @l0k1:
https://steemit.com/witness/@elfspice/how-to-vote-for-my-witness-l0k1-my-other-account
Self-voting is a way to gain visibility by getting SP. If you punish people who buy stake to gain visibility you undermine the incentive to buy stake. This will be a net negative for the price of STEEM and therefore the value of the rewards pool. I disapprove of your actions.
Good post thanks for sharing
https://steemit.com/funny/@nonameslefttouse/this-just-in-saying-nice-post-kills-kittens-and-causes-global-warming
Thanks
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go get them Kitty!
opens https://steemdb.com/@smackdown.kitty and waits to see where kitty votes. Who might those "most decadent" ones be
I was gonna upvote on someone's comment but then saw they upvoted their own comment....and I was like, nah, that person not gonna need my upvote. still like their content but if they persist in upvoting their own comments when they are now self-aware many in the community don't like it, then I am gonna be forced to unfollow to make sure steemit persists in the long run.
Will be interesting to see if this project works to combat the issues...
It will if it gets enough delegated SP to really swat the top votserbators. :)
Ah, you are a recovering addict. This explains why you are so angry, addled, and disrespectful. Nicotine and alcohol withdrawal must be a heady brew when combined. This also explains why you are flagging my posts, but I have remained above flagging yours.
Good luck with your recovery and your anger issues.
PS - The flag is not a disagree button. I know that is probably too much for your emotions to handle now during withdrawal, but you may get it someday.
"elfspice downvote @lexiconical/make-flagging-great-again-on-self-up-… (-100%) "
PPS - I would have thought the removal of your channel from the Minnow Support Group Discord, one of the "friendliest" places around, would have shown you that you aren't exactly winning hearts and minds here.
Right now I will only comment here to confirm that the reason we didn't use the channel was that we decided there would be too many chat apps.
A totally plausible explanation. Thanks.
Good luck.
That's below the belt @lexiconical ☹️
And @elfspice is right, we closed the Discord channel to keep things on steemit.chat, not because we were kicked or anything.
Is it really, though? It provides a plausible explanation for why he has been so uncivil.
This is from his own blog 10 minutes ago:
""Note, that I have had this happen almost consistently when I stop smoking. Things that I normally tolerate, I lose my patience. Turns out that's how I think when I'm not poisoning myself with natural insecticide. Consistently.""
This is normal for people recovering from addiction. I work in the field of psychology, fwiw, internet lies etc.
Further, I was careful to say the removal of your channel, and I did not specify who removed it (because I did not know). However, for whatever reason, someone decided that removing it was more valuable than keeping it. Had the channel been a powerful recruiting force for this Smackdown project, it would still most likely exist, no?
Here's what I just wrote to him above. Can you really tell me this isn't pretty darn plausible: (no, I can't prove it)
"It is my true belief that you and I got started on a very wrong foot, because I caught you with a question at a bad time that you perceived as an attack."
"The reality is I think we are both very concerned about spam, but your project appears to operate on the assumption that "If SELF VOTE then SPAM"."
"I wanted to challenge this one small aspect of your project, while still mostly supporting the anti-spam project (as I do on my own blog), and it has spiralled into me writing probably 100 paragraphs back and forth with Personz because you simply attacked and muted me."
This is baiting and trolling.
Respectfully, I disagree. It's arguably combative, but nowhere near trolling. If I wanted to troll him, I'd 100% flag his article, like he did mine.
You've done your duty here in "humoring" me, and I clearly have nothing to offer this project given the owner is elfspice and I suspect I only anger him, so good luck. Try not to slap too many quality, self-upvoted comments or start too many flag wars.
Hippo'cat'ic Oath, you guys can keep that one.
PS - This project needs a "Hippo'cat'ic Oath" to do no harm, and I think programming a flagging bot that doesn't differentiate spam but only on "self-upvote %age" makes that Oath impossible.
That's really the only reason I ever set foot in either of you guy's comments or blogs in the first place. Thought maybe I could prevent harm.
I'm sorry to hear that
is that why you edited your post so many times after I responded?
We left PAL not because of you, or anyone else, but because @personz did not want to have discord open just for this one room, while everything else he does is at steemit.chat.
You keep up this accusations and you are gonna find yourself in hot water.
It is entirely irrelevant thtat I have had the guts to try and break some bad habits that are killing me.
Also, I will apologize for using your own words against you, even though there is no ethical reason for me to do so:
"Note, that I have had this happen almost consistently when I stop smoking. Things that I normally tolerate, I lose my patience. Turns out that's how I think when I'm not poisoning myself with natural insecticide. Consistently."
It is my true belief that you and I got started on a very wrong foot, because I caught you with a question at a bad time that you perceived as an attack.
The reality is I think we are both very concerned about spam, but your project appears to operate on the assumption that "If SELF VOTE then SPAM".
I wanted to challenge this one small aspect of your project, while still mostly supporting the anti-spam project (as I do on my own blog), and it has spiralled into me writing probably 100 paragraphs back and forth with Personz because you simply attacked and muted me.
Again, good luck with the changes you are trying to make. I would humbly suggest (and this applies to me too, so I'm trying to bow out here against my tendency to continue debate) that this discussion is probably a net negative for both of us and we would be both happier if we simply pretended neither of us existed.
I consider that a shame, since you clearly have more programming skill than I and perhaps you could have helped with spam in a more egalitarian way, starting somewhere like BookingTeam.
Whatever, good luck.
The project, which is not only elfspice project, does not operate on an assumption that selfupvoted comments are spam. There are many different parts to this and different opinions, but rather one idea is that the selfupvotes themselves are often a form of "spam" because they are used either all the time or on comments that are not of any particular quality. The votes then are not used for any particular reason other than because the user can get the money.
The reason I personally am associated with the project is that I consider the current setup to lend itself to be creating an enviroment in which it becomes more important to reward yourself money than to find and curate good comments. Of course, this is not going to be the case all the time, but we have no way of separating the objectively "good" upvotes from the objectively "bad" and since comment selfupvotes are not essential we (not actually me, as I'm not a developer) chose to go this route.
-We also know that we won't be able to stop sockpuppet accounts voting for their master etc. But I personally think that identifying and marking the largest direct selfupvoters presents the community with a clear ethical choice: Wether we want everyone (including thousands of bots) to upvote themselves no matter how much SP they have (in which case this upvote could be made default and the reward simply hidden except for in the wallet) or wether maybe we should do the opposite.
My own conclusion is that we ought to limit selfupvotes. They currently take money that could have been used to curate content and puts it to a completely different use, while at the same time making the platform look shady to many new users.
I wish sincerely that discussion will be calmer and more stable in the future. No jabs taken at anyone by stating this.
Well, you can probably tell from the timings that I hadn't even read your reply yet (I think, I don't recall the timing on this one).
It's also pretty normal for me to edit a ton on my long posts. Just my style. Plenty of proof out their in the blockchain.
"It is entirely irrelevant thtat I have had the guts to try and break some bad habits that are killing me."
This may be true, and I applaud you for it, but these habits do affect your attitude and frankly, given the consistently productive and civil discussion I've had with personz, it seems the most obvious explanation for why you are so acerbic with me. You may recall you attacked and muted me for pointing out a missing word in your post, which totally changed your argument. You perceived this to be nitpicking, but it was literally necessary to figure out what you were even saying.
"You keep up this accusations and you are gonna find yourself in hot water."
Ah, threats, more evidence of a balanced and civil mind. At least I haven't turned my flag button into a disagree button in an attempt to attack you personally
Best of luck to you, kitty!
I thought you made a decision to close this project...
But now kitty is coming back. Great idea, good luck to you!
I thought I would delegate some SP to the project, but it looks like delegation software is for desktop computers only and I only have my mobile phone.
However it looks like you've already got some nice amount of delegated SP, so have a good hunting.
Indeed. I am closing in on getting a functional RPC to dedicate to forking the Condenser webapp, and after a few small things, implementing these interfaces is top priority. It so happens that Jesta's Vessel is written in node.js also, which means it can be readily adapted. Adding an interface for delegation is on my agenda. As is 'create an account with your own Steem'.
Great stuff, my man! Release the monster kitty!☺