Thanks dude. I think you are right about that and I should rephrase myself. I think that they come from a place of good intention, we just disagree as to the best course of action. As for "nefarious inclinations" I see it more as fighting for something that sounds nice on paper, but with a willingness to turn a blind eye to questionable tactics or logical conclusions of some arguments if its your side that's going it. Often the simple and most direct way is the best and thank you for pointing that out to me