The instant gratification debt cycle of relationships paid off in Steem

in #philosophy6 years ago

In the last two days, I have had 4 conversations concerning instant gratification and the debt cycle, all in the real world where no hardforks happened. The last of which is was an hour or two ago with a friend of mine over a coffee. She is a little older than myself and we weren't talking about money at all, it was about relationships. Relationship debt.

As is often discussed, we live in a debt cycle that is fueled by consumerism and fed by credit availability. If we want it now, we can have it but we will get it on terms and eventually pay more for it. Each cycle trims our disposable income down while pushing inflation up making what we have left with even less buying power. But, we still want more so extend further.

Eventually, we end up in a position where we are so deep that we can no longer get what we want and have to compromise on price, quality and frequency while we watch our friends on social media flaunt the latest nonsense they have been convinced to buy. Nothing is good enough for long and the product 'improvement' cycle is continually shortening.

With so much availability and access, we have the luxury of choice and possibility of turnover if it doesn't satisfy our immediate needs. Everything becomes disposable, everything becomes irrelevant unless it gives us our shot of feel good hormones. This includes people.

What most don't seem to realize is that while all products become irrelevant, the psychological flow of process and habit extends further into other aspects of our world, including our relationships. No matter how suited someone is to us, no one is perfect but with our consumer quest, the next possibility is just around the corner, a swipe away.

Humans have a need to feel relevant to this world, they generally need purpose which is why we can see so high and such wide ranges of emotions on this platform. People here have the tendency to feel that what they do and say matters, and it does. This is the strength of a community, relevancy.

But this need circuitry is easily hackable and hijackable by replacing actually being relevant with the ideas that the void can be filled with a product. Earn this and you will be admired, buy this with your earnings and people will notice who you are, wear this and you will stand out from the crowd, you will be important and desirable. That hole for relevancy will never be filled this way but if one is convinced it can be, all efforts are made to upgrade into happiness. The consumer debt cycle, keep buying to fill a hole that you dig with each purchase.

Carry this thinking into relationships and relevancy is still the need except it is called intimacy. The most common road to depression is a failure of intimacy as it leads to loneliness and the feeling that, no one needs us. Irrelevance. So, just like the consumer debt cycle where we use products to fill the void, the intimacy debt cycle is driven by social interactions.

But, just like the disposable product that doesn't instantly gratify immediate desires gets thrown away, relationships that don't satisfy our intimacy requirements get thrown away too. The credit availability of always having access to more connections through social and dating apps driven by the promise lie that the right person for you is out there means that no matter who comes along, as soon as there is friction and conflict, worming thoughts run through the mind to the next option.

The problem is, that just like there is no such thing as a perfect product, there is no such thing as a perfect person. Worse than this for the instant gratifying society in which we live is that in order to build the deep intimacy that can feel the void of feeling relevant and important to at least one person in this world requires time, effort, investment, long-range thinking and a willingness to give of the self, not just take for the self.

While we live in a world of over-sharing, we aren't actually sharing at all, we are broadcasting and comparing. I send my highlights out into the void in the hope that someone watching gives it a thumbs up and it feeds my hunger. But, just like a Pringle doesn't satisfy nutritional needs of hunger, once we pop we just can't stop. Volume over connection. The more connection we purchase, the greater intimacy debt we have.

Now, do you see why people take this place so seriously, do you see why this place and others like it will be successful? No. Read the comments sections of some of my posts. Really read them.

This isn't just a social site where people give likes, hearts and stars to each other, this is a site that people are truly connecting with at fundamental levels. The conversations are varied and they can go deep. People talk about their lives, their loves, their fears. They share about monetary pressures and illness. they talk about loss. They look to find their place here and, they look to find ways to help and support others.

It is a place where the intimacy debt is slowly being repaid, the void is being filled and funnily enough, in the process the consumer debt cycle is slowly being undermined, as is the authoritative functions that drive consumerism itself. It isn't the entire answer but, it is a start as it changes the way we interact with each other and that will flow into the world in which we live in many subtle and hidden ways until it is blatantly obvious.

People continually undercut the value of the community but at the same time and in many various ways, fight tooth and nail for it because they can feel that hole of need inside filling. On Steem, people feel relevant and those who choose to be a part of the community are relevant and like any deep relationship, it takes time to build, adjustment, acceptance, concessions and a little bit of goddamn patience before jumping to conclusions at the start of the conversation.

People here are so fast to threaten to jump ship for the next promise rather than work and fix what is here. It is the consumer mindset, the debt cycle, the hungry monster that is never going to be sated no matter how much it is fed because it is designed to only eat.

The only way to fill that intimacy void, that need to feel relevant in this world is to be part of something larger than the self and be part of a community and make a decision to work at it, fix things and like any relationship that will stand the test of time, keep finding ways to fall in love. Most importantly though, never take it all for granted.

If you don't have the strength to build a relationship, it will always be thrown away before it can become a true love. It doesn't mean what you disposed of is broken nor unlovable and it definitely doesn't mean it is irrelevant. If you haven't noticed yet, we are at the point that you can walk away and there will still be enough people who are willing to work very hard for a future here.

If you think this is romantic idealism, you aren't paying attention.

Taraz
[ a Steem original ]

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Together, yourself and @josephsavage have saved me writing a post and responses to some pretty upfront comments I've received this evening.

Joe's post here: https://steemit.com/busy/@josephsavage/my-thoughts-on-hf20-rcs-smts-and-the-future-of-steem-contest-enclosed

I'm pretty bummed to be honest. Bummed that we are 3? days into a fork, knowing that the previous major code changes caused issues on release that took time to find this equibalancelibrium thing that I cant remember the name of right now.

Hard Fork 18 had the reward pool empty

Hard Fork 19 had us giving out way too much with our up-votes

And they settled, maybe not to everyone's liking from the start, or even prior to release, but the ship steadied. Perhaps we'll need another tweak or two, to find the balance this time. That's OK, isn't it?

Joe speaks of scale, you speak of patience and adjustment.

Steemit, Inc cares about scale, not as much about the existing users. If the platform is built to scale to millions (or billions) of users, it's not as important how many individuals leave along the way. Right now Steem does NOT scale. Sure we talk about the theoretical transaction limits of graphene, but... it takes 12 hours to replay a node? I takes how many GB of RAM to run a witness? What does that go up to when we have 1 million active users (not just 1 million accounts)? source

...we are at the point that you can walk away and there will still be enough people who are willing to work very hard for a future here.

This is some tough love, but I believe you are both right.

@davemccoy @indigoocean @rose98734

It became clear to me in conversing on another post today that STINC really doesn't care one iota about Steemit or the user experience on here. This platform will never get out of beta. It is in fact a test platform that is all about ironing things out for SMTs, the real business STINC wants to be in.

Once that became clear to me, a lot of things started lining up. I kept wondering why they didn't see that choices they were making would make it hard for the community on here to grow. Even when I read Taraz's comments above about this not scaling, it still didn't click. It was just too unbelievable to me because it isn't how I see the value of this place.

But you're right. They absolutely don't care how many of us leave on their way to getting SMTs launched. They want us all on the SMTs, not Steemit, and probably hope to be able to someday retire Steemit entirely and have no front end they are responsible for. They don't want to be end user providers. They are techies who want to interact only with other techies, creating the platform the others will turn into scalable end user experiences.

I'm figuring out right now where I put myself within that. I used to be an instructor on Udemy (actually still have about $1k deposited into my bank account each month from them) and I eventually realized they had a similar disdain for those who were at the mercy of their "experiments." The only draw for me on there was money, not community, so that makes a difference. Contemplating.

I think the idea of the decentralization process is to retire Steemit and instead have a community run front end that the community controls. Stinc are and perhaps should only be concerned with the infrastructure and even that to a lessening degree over time.

However, I don't think they have any disdain for the community per se. Like anything that is volatile, this place isn't for everyone currently yet people try to make it all inclusive which I think is a mistake. Yes, this is an experiment but it is on the path to a place that could be for everyone.

The catchall front end that Steemit is will never satisfy all users yet all users think that this is there home. Potentially it could be a core blogging site in the future and potentially, Stinc gives it up to a community to operate and upgrade it all.

SMTs however are a large part of the road map required to differentiate content and satisfy and incentivise various groups in different ways. Steemit can never satisfy a user completely, all will be somewhat disappointed all the time because of competing views, needs and wants.

Your place here is wherever you make it and there are increasingly more options to arrive that I predict could have some very dedicated communities on them that would love to have you be part of them. I think the benefit here as while Steem can handle volume, communities and SMTs will house much smaller and intimate communities who could actually know each other to a greater degree.

Just think, how many other users do you chat with on Youtube consistently across different poster's videos? Is that really a community? on facebook? Instagram? They are for the masses to distribute advertising. Here we can cater for all without crushing any but, it takes time to develop all of the whatever is needed to support it.

It is 230 am here and I have to be up again at 630 most likely so I will go to bed but, everyone has a place here in my opinion, if they choose to make one, be part of the community and be patient when roads that will help get them places are being built.

How often do you see and engage with these types of comments on Facebook? How often are they talking about building a global community? I think it is pretty incredible here to be honest.

I hope you've slept well and are seeing this in the morning. :)

Yes, it is definitely as you say. I just have to accept that my Native Steem project just won't work under these conditions. I suppose it is premature. There needs to be more stability and valuation of user experience on the platform I'd be bringing that vulnerable community onto. I also don't have enough SP/RCs for all of them and my own activity both, and the platform clearly won't allow them to do anything without that.

Well it's good to have these things be clear. I have enough SP to do what I want on here, and I'll basically be hanging out in a rich neighborhood on here. Then when SMTs come along, maybe there will be options for more social mobility as a norm on some of those platforms.

I do find that I have great community and great conversation on here. Me and all my middle class and rich friends. Sigh.

I hope you've slept well and are seeing this in the morning. :)

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A few months isn't going to kill your project I think and I am almost certain that sooner rather than later, not only will things be clearer but the issues with the commenting etc will be sorted out.

As far as RCs go to support others. You have a community with you already and friends. What if they dropped some of their RCs into a little pool for your project? What if that community of yours could help other projects get off the ground in the same way? Most larger accounts are never going to use their RCs most days which means, they have available bandwidth. The systems aren't in place yet but, they will arrive. Communities powered by communities.

I do find that I have great community and great conversation on here. Me and all my middle class and rich friends. Sigh.

I am Steem rich... if you saw my life. I have accepted failure here already but, it will likely crush me. I don't intend to be crushed.

now... good night :)

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People get attached and all believe that they are doing the right thing by themselves at the very least. the problem is though is that there is a great deal of complexity and nuance here and at the moment, we don't even have all the information from the first hardfork let alone the patch that is still replaying as far as I know.

There are so few people on this platform currently. I wish it would be possible to run some algorithm that could truly show how many real people are here and are currently affected. 15-20k? People are acting as if these people were killed in planned genocide while at the same time things are being done to tend to remedy the situation.

Everyone has answers but unfortunately, they are all different.

We will see Asher. I hope for your sake in particular that you are right. Thanks for thinking of me and trying to express your thoughts. I appreciate it!

I read a lot of your posts as you generally have a few good points every day which is great to see on here. This one however catches me a bit more than most of what you have written to date.

This isn't just a social site where people give likes, hearts and stars to each other, this is a site that people are truly connecting with at fundamental levels. The conversations are varied and they can go deep. People talk about their lives, their loves, their fears. They share about monetary pressures and illness. they talk about loss. They look to find their place here and, they look to find ways to help and support others.

Ive been part of multiple social media sites over the years and still am to some extend. Facebook being the main one. What i don't do on any of them is share..... I no longer post anything of any personality. I don't share any thoughts feelings or opinions as it is not worth the abuse and consequences of doing so. The main reason that i feel free to post on here is because opinions are actually valued and debated rather than abused and weaponized.

There are many things that i value in my life and to be perfectly honest, possession are very far down that list bar maybe three or four essentials. So many people my age are pre-occupied with having a perfect Instagram account, being famous and having all of the latest brands and fashions. If you don't then what have you???

I'm lucky that this has never bothered me. Even in school where fitting in is everything i was more concerned with enjoying myself and having fun with my friends than i ever was about having the newest shoes. i think that over time this has served me well as i can the life that i want without the stress and expense caused by chasing consumerism.

I still have most of those friends, a strong family and a solid future without falling victim to everything that we are pushed towards these days. I follow what i feel is important and hope that more people will do the same. I do spend time on Steemit because i enjoy what we have here and hope that it will continue going forward even though i expect the site itself to fall away as people group into different communities and app to ingrate with the blockchain rather than what we have at the moment.

While everyone is arguing they are missing he beauty of what these arguments are actually about and in my opinion that is, making this world a better place at all kinds of levels. This conversation never ends though, it is always going to be relevant as we are never going to be perfect. We are flawed in so many ways which gives us rise to improve ourselves. We spend so much time going after what we want though we forget to ask what we need.

I still have most of those friends, a strong family and a solid future without falling victim to everything that we are pushed towards these days.

What more do we really need in this life? It is a question I have been contemplating a lot lately and still haven't got it all worked out.

It is after 3 am, I have been up for 20 hours and will get up at 7ish again. excuse my reply :)

There is another thing I have to add. The debt throw people into a corner. Some of those who ran away from fiat for BTC ended up being BTC Maximalists and they are pretty much like those who are stuck in an abusive relationship. The search for the perfect product may lead to a form of depression and guilt where people would welcome a throne into their hearts just to feel something or to atone for something.

People not only hop from relationship to relationship and product to product, they (as a collective) embrace more abusive people and systems whether it's a surveillance state, Twitter or some asshole/bitch as something to cling onto.

The endless connectivity has become the black death of 21st century.

Related Read: https://steemit.com/dlike/@vimukthi/solitude-the-most-important-skill-nobody-taught-you-personal-growth-medium

The search for the perfect product may lead to a form of depression and guilt where people would welcome a throne into their hearts just to feel something or to atone for something.

Yeah, this is a big part of it.

People not only hop from relationship to relationship and product to product, they (as a collective) embrace more abusive people and systems whether it's a surveillance state, Twitter or some asshole/bitch as something to cling onto.

Continually give up rights like privacy to fill a void they have been trained to keep open. Hacked.

People here are so fast to threaten to jump ship for the next promise rather than work and fix what is here.

Even as a smallfry it amazes me. It is one crazy part of human behaviour I frankly find disgusting. They seem to forget that those who quest for instant rewards often end up empty

People are people and act on what they think is best for them. Unfortunately, a lot of life is counter-intuitive so where we think we are going is not where we end up.

Great in-depth post T.

Had a young man tell me about dating these days.

Get online - look at profiles, compare and then if they like yours - maybe meet up. At which time you both realise that the other is not perfect and usually never bother to see each other again.

I pity this generation. In this Knight's youth you would build relationships with many over time. Some might develop into something more, which was wonderful. And eventually you would confirm that one special relationship with that one special friend.

Nothing was perfect. But it was fun. Lots of fun.

I agree T - there are enough people and relationships to ensure the success of Steem for the long term. And we just need to remember - nothing great was ever quick or easy.

Cheers mate.

SK.

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There is so much great here despite the many problems but it is very easy to focus only on the immediate circumstances even while they are changing.

I can't guarantee success here or in any relationship but the everything is disposable nature of thinking these days is never going to be able to solve the massive problems we face in this world. We can do better than this.

It took me a while to find but your comment reminded me of an old post from last year.

https://steemit.com/philosophy/@tarazkp/an-old-time-love

Have a good weekend.

Patience and giving time to one another is always fruitful in a relationship. Any sudden decision is not going to be good all the time....give some time and in case the changes are not acceptable...the doors are always open. No one ever knighted overnight...those who looks for money is going to give away easily...but those who are here spend sone quality time must stay on....
Loved your deep way of making people understand...@tarazkp

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On the relationship front, along wiht the stuff you've covered already, I think a lot of people don't actually realise that the "madly in love" phase doesn't actually last that long in the grand scheme of things. In a long term relationship you get spikes of it but it generally settles (or should! XD) into a comortable contentment. It seems like some are bailing when they get to this point because they mistakenly believe that it's over because the crazy in love feeling has subsided.

People here are so fast to threaten to jump ship for the next promise rather than work and fix what is here.

I've noticed that sentiment too in posts over the last couple of days. I've been that grumpy old bastard explaining previous disastrous hardforks and how this one is a bit different (because of the temporary ability for most accounts to do anything other than read). Back in MY day... XD

these days I still only understand fragments of what's going on at the best of times but I just want to have fun

On the one hand I can understand that sentiment if it's coming from people that didn't like the earthquake feeling of the last hardforks and this was like the n ail in the coffin, I kind of did that with Facebook (I was already getting annoyed with a lot of things they were doing and one update tipped me over the edge enough that I deleted my account). I was going to say I don't understand the newer accounts where this hardfork is the first one and they're already scurrying away, but then again I guess it's not that surprising if one is used to instant gratification. There's enough front ends now that I'm pretty sure there's an interface for almost everyone now, but can't please everyone right :)

I've been that grumpy old bastard explaining previous disastrous hardforks and how this one is a bit different (because of the temporary ability for most accounts to do anything other than read). Back in MY day... XD

The back in my day approach no longer seems to work on people that think "you just don't understand what life is like now" as if life is harder. The only thing that makes life these days harder is there are more targeted advertisers and manipulators that people just can't say no to.

I was going to say I don't understand the newer accounts where this hardfork is the first one and they're already scurrying away, but then again I guess it's not that surprising if one is used to instant gratification.

They haven't left and most ill be back. With all of the claims of this and that, watch what happens at the next bull run.

There's enough front ends now that I'm pretty sure there's an interface for almost everyone now, but can't please everyone right :

Many don't even try them, many don't even know about them yet, they say they are interested and engaged.

I just got 100% RC's,(woohoo) so I'm using you as guinea pig to see how much I lose!
lol.
When I joined steemit ( my first real social media) - I was seeing it as a ground floor, 'next big thing'.
I don't see it like that so much, anymore...

Growth seems to be non existent - of real users.
I'm not sure the hf20 is gong to entice more users....

How did it go?
HF20 won't bring anyone new in really, it is the precursor to what will though, hopefully.

I've posted several comments, (with jpegs), a couple of up votes , and just did a post (with jpegs), and - lost 2.5% - so it seems ok...
oh - here is your regiment! (your brother has one to...
...you haven't entered the war yet.... but you will!

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https://steemit.com/blog/@lucylin/quantico-campaign-underway-kind-of-the-forces-part-1-ulog-4

Hi Taraz. Good to be back in the game. You were right a bit of patience and tweaking.

Not over yet but getting closer to finding the way :)

I gathered a little more tweaking here and there but one step closer.

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