So we think we've done away with feudalism, dynastic monarchies, etc. Nah... they just wear costumes.

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Hopefully most people are familiar with Feudalism and how Lords and Ladies had their subjects. They would fight among with other Lords for property, and over sleights and other often seemingly petty things. This lead into eventual consolidation of power so we then had large territorial monarchs, who had their vassals below them such as their barons, dukes, earls, and whatever other names might be given to them. Jarls, Heptman, etc. Everyone without a title was known as a serf, a peasant, a peon, an indentured servant, or perhaps a slave.

In some cases a monarch would become powerful and might not totally eliminate another nation. They would force them into a new EMPIRE as a vassal nation. This now was an Imperial Monarchy. Within the Empires and Monarchies there were still supposedly machinations at the lower levels between the lesser lords and ladies, and they still could impact what was occurring.

At one point in history we mostly seemed to get rid of dynasties. Those hereditary rule whereby the ultimate rulers were chosen due to being the offspring or hereditary descendants of a previous monarch. We didn't judge them based upon their ability to effectively lead, that was a lesser concern. The most important concern was often how close in lineage the person was to the previous ruler.

We like to imagine this is gone in the world of Democracies, and Republics...

I don't believe that it is. It is simply wearing an elaborate disguise that keeps us blinded to the truth.

In a republic where you elect representatives and those representatives actually ANSWER to the people that elect them you might have something not like a monarchy. However, the period for which that remains true seems to be limited and over time as with any government (regardless of the type so far) is infected by cronyism. Cronyism can occur whether capitalism, socialism, communism, Republic, Democracy, Monarchy, etc is the style. All Cronyism need do is trade in favors, or power. This can be in the form of money, but that is not the only form that power takes.

So as the Democracy/Republics are corrupted the shell game becomes electing the representative, and then once in place the representative begins answering to their true masters. Those that control the media, those that have many generations in skill in manipulating the public. Give the public the illusion that they are electing a representative while in reality careful manipulation of sociology, and psychology form what we often call propaganda and the representative is generally pre-chosen. This almost always works. It is very rare it does not.

Then enter the Citizens United bill (it's funny how bills often are the opposite of their name) granted corporations the rights of people. Yet, corporations can end up being hereditary if all of the shares, or most of the shares are held by a family. They can in a sense become a monarchy, or an empire.

Yet Corporations with these rights are something truly insidious. They are far more powerful than historical empires, and monarchies. They can span across multiple nations, they can operate from the shadows, and they are generally the tool of cronyism. They inject cronyism into ANY system that they can, for this gives them the tools to manipulate that system.

Offer favors. Corporations generally are in a position to do that more than virtually any other entity. Their favors cross borders.

Today a new friend on Steemit @thatgermandude stated he likes me and other Americans but he would gladly go to war against us to remove the vassal state trait on Germany that is essentially making them a vassal nation to the U.S.

I told him that the U.S. and Germany are both vassal nations to the same entities, and that is NOT the U.S. The U.S. is but a front, a decoy. It is a face that is manipulated. If there were war between Germany and U.S. the true puppet masters would likely benefit from it as they would do the same thing they historically have done in the past. Fund and interact with ALL SIDES of a war and profit from both sides. This is also ingratiating so as things settle they already have a crony tendril into the next nation/government that will replace it.

Feudalism still exists. The true Lords and Ladies are those that control one or more large corporations, and/or central banks (which are also corporations).

It is not about socialism, capitalism, communism, etc. These entities work fine regardless of those as they've managed via disguise and costume to make us focus on their puppets rather than seeing them for what they are. Us fighting among each other only strengthens their hold and manipulation.

If you wish to end vassalage and you believe war is the answer then you truly should be looking to your true enemy. It is not the American people, the German people, the Syrian people, the Israeli people, etc. Who benefits and continues to exist after regime changes, presidential changes, etc? There are groups of people that ALWAYS manage to be involved regardless of who the supposed rulers are, regardless of political parties, etc.

Some among them have infamously stated "I care not who makes the laws as long as I control the money", and they have had variations on that theme that did not rely upon the concept of money, but simply replaced it with the concept of power.

We see a growing frequency in HIGH CRIMES being exposed. Yet those that perpetrate the crimes seem to for the most part not be getting charged at all. In fact, if you expose a CRIME of someone high enough in the ranks of power it is YOU the person that reported the crime that will be in trouble. There is a growing number of UNTOUCHABLE people and entities that we catch committing crimes, and they shrug and carry on because absolutely nothing is done about it. This is true across international borders, and it is true irrelevant to the government form of nations.

They are having to hide less, because the environment is becoming friendly to them. If they can commit crimes and have nothing come from it, and in many cases actually benefit from committing crimes then why should they stop, and why would they need to hide?

It is even better when all they have to do is point out religion, point out skin color, point out some WORDS someone said, or claim that one nation is vassal to another to distract us.

For when we fight among each other we have less attention that might make us notice THEM. If we are busy pointing at their puppets as the BAD GUY then we generally will ignore the PUPPET MASTERS and they can keep going on doing their thing.

Feudalism is alive and well. It just got really smart, and they've also worked really hard to keep the public dumb, and unaware.

So next time you think of WAR to solve your problems. Consider if you are truly aiming for the puppet master, or are you simply aiming for the puppet they are dangling in your path?

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Today a new friend on Steemit @thatgermandude stated he likes me and other Americans but he would gladly go to war against us

I can't wrap my head around this.

I'm American, and I can. The reparations for WWII are archaic and ridiculous (I assume that's at least part of what @thatgermandude is referring to, without having seen his original comment). It is absolutely absurd that people who had nothing to do with WWII are both paying and being paid for that travesty.

To play Devil's Advocate, on the other hand, as Nassim Taleb says, if you impose the cost of war on the warmongers' descendants, it may dissuade them.

However, considering @dwinblood's article here (which I by and large agree with, especially after seeing this documentary by Adam Curtis I think that instead of us peons taking aim at each other, we should aim for the money, as dwinblood so astutely points out.

POSTSCRIPT: I just went back and read the original thread and I agree with dwinblood that war (with each other) is most definitely not the answer. If you haven't seen Adam Curtis's video I highly recommend it.

I really don't want to justify a war, but in this comment section I tried to explain where I am coming from. Let me just tell you, with all due respect, you are dead wrong about the reparations. The 50s and 60s in Germany are remembered as a time of wealth and prosperity.
To not repeat everything I said elsewhere in this comment section: We Germans have a lot of pride, that is undermined by the US boot at our throat (talking about the present state) and we have a keen sense for justice that is undermined by the global/imperial ambitions of the US.

OK, so this is a tough topic, especially since I would see myself as a pacifist, you should only fight if your live or your honor is at stake and by that I certainly don't mean "He called my mother a wh*re"!

Secondly I agree that not countries are ruling the world, societies do. It is virtually impossible to fight a traditional war against them. They are everywhere.

The thing I am missing in @dwinblood (s) post is a solution. I am guessing it is a liberterian approach, I wonder what that is (I am genuinely looking forward to hear it ;) ). I found Libertarianism is a neat project you could try, after you whiped the earth clean of the disease aka the NWO. My approach would be a nationalistic one, even tho I don't consider myself right winged. If we can get together as small units, countries, states, towns and try to disable all essential influence of the big corporations, oh and a non centralized currency would help here btw, then we could maybe again sit together as one cleansed world. For that I would be willing to fight physically as well!

If you want to know why I hate the US gov in particular so much: It wasn't big corp that buried nuclear mines under our feet. It was the US gov. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_demolition_munition
How would you feel if Canada has a nuclear belt through the US, just to protect themselves from Mexico?
What would you say if the German intelligence service listens to every communication of your government officials and even publicly admits that?

The US gov might be a puppet, but a soldier getting the order to kill an innocent civilian is a killer if he pulls the trigger, and thus I have no mercy for the puppet!

Edit: Another topic I wanna mention: culture. I love the American culture, I only watch US shows, Burgers, BBQ, Harleys, Muscle cars. It's great. I also love the German culture even tho I had some trouble with it growing up. On that note I even have an unpopular love for the moslim culture and as you can see from my 'Starting to learn Korean'-series for asian cultures as well.

To get to the point: the American and German culture are at it's core mutually exclusive, the people, that are talking about the German culture falling prey to the moslim culture are adorable. What am I talking about? The American Dream! Being humble, down to earth, sharing, striving for intellectual enlightenment, justice, pride. These are the big German values next to the well known tidiness and punctuality. All these values are nothing more but a mere obstacle if your number one goal is material achievement. Thus the very strong indoctrination of American values in the German society lead to a vacuum of values due to the contradictions of said cultures. This leaves the stage to the worst of all people: the moralless!

Again I love the American culture and it is unfair to reduce it to "people want to get rich", but it is your number one value, maybe not for you individually, but as a general consent in your society.

If we can get together as small units, countries, states, towns and try to disable all essential influence of the big corporations,

You can't fight big corporation as a town. It will just invade you from a bigger actor, whatever that would be.
Take GM crops. You are organic farmer, your neighbor uses Monsantos GM crops. Those crops should not be able to produce pollen, but they did. They infected the organic crops. result: The farmer not only lost his organic sell but also had to pay patent license for the GM crops.

The thing I am missing in @dwinblood (s) post is a solution.
The only one known to work is to increase the number of essentials. In the US only 5-10% of voters decide who gets president (those who constitute the majority in the swing states). The rest is basically predefined.

Get away with the electoral collage and the winner-takes-all voting then it gets better.

Of course that does not mean it gets perfect. In Germany we end to decide which party gets used by the CDU to rule. And most of them do what big business wants anyway once they rule (Agenda 2010 ha!). But still they have to dole out profits for more people then in the US.

In the comparison you have those entities with very few essentials, like big companies, FIFA or dictators. A few get very high sums of money, the rest is screwed.

On the town thing: I never said it is easy. But it it will be hard for the establishment to justify a military operation against their own people. You also have to keep in mind that soldiers, even generals are human. Most people in the military are not very amused to see their friends and comrades die in a useless war that doesn't really have an end goal. This is especially true for the Bundeswehr. What is the current end goal in Afghanistan? To drop so many mother of bombs that the population drops to 0?
Trying to form resistance in small areas is the only "from bottom to top" approach I can think of, if you have a better one, please share it ;)

On the electoral college. I think you answered your own question. For us we have all what America lacks. We have more options. All 5 parties are part of our political process, because we dont have a >50% absolute majority party. But our political reality is a sh't show. In the age communication we need more appropriate ways for the demos to control its leaders! Im not talking fine tuning, Im talking throw away, make new :D

I hate the U.S. Government too. I live here. I didn't offer you a solution as I don't see an obvious one right now as the problem has spread to be global at this point. There is corruption and cronyism all over the planet. Being able to rapidly travel and to communicate near instantaneously are wonderful things, yet like all tools they can be used for malevolent purposes as well. They also are useful for control, manipulation, and coordination of plans. Is this going on? I can't say for certain, but if I were a SITH LORD wanting to control things it is certainly something I would take advantage of.

To get to the point the American and German culture are at it's core mutually exclusive

I disagree. There is no single American culture. We have many cultures including German ones. In fact, a number of my ancestors were German.

You may be at odds with the televised American culture, and the bullshit media that calls itself news in the United States, but so are a lot of us Americans here.

Basically our government, our media, etc are like Frankenstein's monster. Perhaps a better analogy would be Pandora's box. Through a process of a little by a little people allowed themselves to be swayed by fear and more and more stupid actions were taken by power seekers in our country. Over time so many of them have occurred that things will likely need to get very dark before there can be light.

We have too many people that mentally should be considered asleep at the wheel (driving analogy) and until more of them wake up it will be hard to provide a solution. Too many people have been conditioned here to blame anyone but themselves, even for their own mistakes. They don't want responsibility, they want the government to take the responsibility away from them. The government gladly will do that as it gains more power, and leaves in its wake a lot of irresponsible zombies who spout platitudes, virtue signal, talk about safe spaces, and being triggered.

We call ourselves the land of the free and the home of the brave. We currently are neither of those things. We have the largest prison population on the planet, and many of those people are in prison for victimless crimes. All that it takes for us to give up our rights and accept more crazy laws is to make us afraid. Thus, we are certainly no longer the home of the brave.

The things you hate about the U.S. Government I hate as well. Many of those things were before my time. I do not blame you for what the Nazi's did, and I do not hate the Germans because of the Nazis. I've actually know a lot of very cool Germans. It is a culture and a history I have had a life long interest in.

But as I indicated there is no such thing as a purely American Culture. Hell, we are not even the same across the nation. I hear people talk about White Privilege for example in the U.S. like it is wide spread and everywhere. It isn't. It is only prevalent in very specific population centers. Yet because there are so many people living there they like to project an make it sound like it is everywhere, when it isn't even close to everywhere. In fact, there are places where there is actually minority privilege in the U.S. So there is no ONE SIZE FITS all, and there is no AMERICAN CULTURE that fits all since we are a big melting pot of many cultures.

The closest you could claim is the one Hollywood and the News slam into your faces and minds, and I can tell you now that a lot of Americans detest that as well.

I really have to sleep it is 4:20 (blaze) in the morning. I should have called it the televised American culture since that is where I get most of my prejudice from, (I dont think prejudice is a bad thing, buts thats a completely new topic) I have never been to the States, but I had a lot of convos with American people over the internet. I agree that the defenders of the status quo among them seemed more asleep, blue pilled, than actually thinking and arguing about the situation.

I will read the rest tommorow, was an interesting discurs as always, even tho it turned really serious real quick this time ;D.

Serious is not a bad thing, as long as it remains civil. That can be some of the best kind. I don't have a problem with your perceptions or what you have stated.

I am not a fan of televised American culture either. It is way too fixated on drama, and bullshit. There are exceptions, but that describes the bulk of it.

I also cannot watch televised news without getting very angry, very quickly. Not necessarily because I should be angry due to the stories they are presenting as "news". The very obvious bias makes me very angry. It does not deserve to be called journalism. It is very heavily crafted opinion pieces pushed off as fact. This is true regardless of which news station you pick. An exception may be CSPAN since it mostly just sits there videoing a room or a speech, and doesn't have much commentary.

Are there a lot of Americans swayed by this? Of course... it is the propaganda they are hammered with day and night for many hours. I can tell you now as someone that did it, years ago I pretty much stopped watching regular television. I just watched movies I rented, downloaded, etc. I'd watch some youtube and stuff like that but, really that came out AFTER I'd already unplugged from the propaganda onslaught.

Within a few months of not being hammered by that you start to look at the world very differently. The longer you go without that constant exposure to bullshit, opinion, and onslaught of pharmaceutical commercials the more it can make you very angry when you see the obvious agenda behind it.

It isn't even veiled. It is just hammering people so often that until they get away from it for awhile it can be really difficult to see. After that though it becomes very obvious.

I didn't vote for Trump and I sure as hell wouldn't vote for Hillary after I did my due dilligence and researched her on my own. Trump has issues, but the bulk of what I see is that the propaganda machine did not go as planned. A lot of the backlash and outrage and propaganda is I believe a reaction to the fact their system failed for the first time in a long time.

I have zero doubt that Hillary was supposed to win. Knowing this the reaction was much like a child throwing a tantrum when things didn't go the way they wanted. It has been more or less that since that time. Prior to the election it was typical propaganda bashing and trying to force feed us the candidate they wanted to RULE.

I call dips on "Why I stopped watching TV". :D It is a resentment a lot of Steemers share for the very same reason you and I do. The only thing I am looking for if I watch or read news is the agenda. What are they trying to paddle?

Another aspect of news, I want to quickly touch on, is the "negativity", negativity in that way that you only hear about death, murder, disease and abuse. This is a brainwashing not in the fine-tuned political beliefs, but in the very basic conception of the world and humanity.

Many people out there will echo and even applaud the statement "human are evil". Which is a ridiculous idea! Every human justifies his actions to his own moral. Every person believes they are the good guy.
A great example I saw recently, was a German investor who stole milions from his clients. He justified it, by saying "I would not have bought what I was selling, if they are stupid enough to do so, they deserve to be tricked", he also only stole from the rich.
Even the mysterious leaders of our world controlling societies will have a moral reasoning behind there actions, a popular one for emperors is "Once I rule the whole world, I can truly make it great (again ^^)".

To end this back on topic, the scenario in that I would welcome a war: the US is in a state of rebellion, a civil war. People like you found each other and organized, using crypto and developing basic independence from the US state control. Meaning you can produce water, food and electricity.
Now a German leader gets elected, a man like Ron Paul or Putin, who speaks his mind with logic and honesty. He wants to support the American people in their fight against their government, so they can finally achieve one of their cultures biggest actual values, freedom. ;)

And as to Ron Paul... he was the last time I participated in actively trying to make a change from WITHIN THE SYSTEM. I was a delegate for him in 2008, and in 2012. He is a great man.

I found out way too late about Ron Paul... I think that also had to with my left bias and consequent despise of the Republican Party.

But I can not cope with the fact that I found him to late, he is still fighting the good war on Liberty Report and I want to join him, or rather want him to join us.

guckst du https://steemit.com/politics/@thatgermandude/get-ron-paul-to-join-steemit :3

Bioware flew my wife and I to Edmonton, Alberta, Canada one year for a couple of days and we watched the news in Canada. What amazed us is that it took over an hour of watching the news there before they said anything negative. The negative news they reported happened in Michigan (U.S.).

I agree they thrive on fear, and negativity. This is where the term "If it bleeds it leads" I believe likely came from.

There are a lot of positive things that happen, but the news in the U.S. largely ignores most of that. It doesn't fit with the agenda of fear.

We are supposedly in a "War on Terror" while our countries media, and government THRIVE upon Terror. They love keeping the U.S. (and the rest of the world) in a constant state of fear. It is easier for them to claim any bill they want to pass is to save us from the boogeyman.

Canada I think has become more negative since that time I visited. It is absorbing more and more of the mental illness that pervades the U.S. Like I said these problems are now global. Targeting the U.S. is not actually targeting the source of the problem though. The people/entities responsible for this really don't have any ONE country they are beholden to anymore. They can live in any of them, and likely have homes in many of them.

I live in Edmonton, Alberta and I will confirm to you that the news has been becoming more and more negative up here. Fear and division is required in order to keep people at odds with each other so that a large group of the population can come together for a common cause. I don't know if I have a solution for everyone but in my own life I have started to refer differently. Some examples. When people say "money" to me I will respond with "currency" or "Centralized Debt Receipt". Anyone mentioning "taxes" gets the response "Government Endorsed Theft". After saying these things to people regularly they start to ask me question about what I mean and usually a productive conversation follows. I have made quite a few people very curious about anarchism through this simple action.

Trump has issues as a nice understatement cough cough

But you are right, Hillary was the one that was decided to be the next.
And that Trump has so many issues is the reason why - lets call them the background - is so panicky.
Because you cannot steer him. Neither by proper democratic means (protests) nor by the usual give-and-take in the backroom. He is a wild boar stung by a bee in the eye. He may slash out at those who want to give him a helping hand.
The best way too steer Trump atm seems to be to bring what you want on FOX news in the evening.
And that is a problem all in itself, because FOX news suddenly got very important. Any big stock changes there in the last weeks btw.?

I want to read Papa dwinbloods aritcle before I comment. But I can explain to you why I feel that way.

Oh he got it and responded with how he didn't think that was smart. So he is SEEING past the puppet show a bit, and I'm actually glad he was honest. It created fertile ground for me to grow some posts and thoughts from. It's a chance to have some interesting dialog. I know he is not alone in such thoughts, I suspect it is fairly common. Though you can replace the ENEMY with different labels such as LEFT, RIGHT, BLACK, WHITE, DEMOCRAT, GOP, LIBERAL, CONSERVATIVE, SCIENTIST, JEW, CHRISTIAN, MUSLIM, GAY, DRUGGY, POLICE, FASCISTS, AMERICA, SYRIA, RUSSIA, CHINA, etc.

It doesn't matter what LABEL you give if you are attacking a LABEL then you are likely just performing an act in the puppet show.

You cannot understand that someone is willing to fight for his basic rights?

thank you, at some point in my argumentation I felt like a lunatic, who just has very strange emotions towards the US (gov). It helps to see a fellow German sharing similar resentments. I can understand that some people are shocked, when you say to them "btw, I would love to turn your country into a war ridden wasteland". But I knew @dwinblood would not close his mind to my reasoning even on a rather extrem opinion of mine.

Oh I understand it completely. I just realize that his target in this case would be a decoy, and not the true target that should be aimed at if he really wants change. Yet the decoy is whom pretty much everyone aims at. The U.S. is dancing around like a puppet too and aiming at decoys for all of its various "Not Wars".

Then enter the Citizens United bill (it's funny how bills often are the opposite of their name)

Haha, true. But I think the US is extreme here.

You argue that cronyism gets injected with time.

I would say that is wrong. Cronyism is there all the time. The difference is when there is a revolution (or whatever the big change) then it is either not necessary (because all are mightily friends, at least in spirit, and so there are no diverging interests) or, more often, it is more extreme.

The normal form of cronyism means people get promoted or demoted. After a revolution demotion happens with removing heads from their rightful bodies.
Often new dictators kill half of the people that helped them to power. Because the people they need to get into power are different to those they need to stay in power.

For the rest I can only point again to the same video ;)
https://steemit.com/politics/@lennstar/rules-for-rulers-the-eye-opener

Yep, it is a good video.

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