Al Franken RESIGNS Over Harassment Allegations, Republicans Flip-Flop
I believe that Democrats and Republicans are almost indistinguishable on many issues, but the total double standard with which Republicans have handled the recent sexual assault allegations is disturbing.
I'm a fan of Al Fraken. He's doing a couple of things in his apology and resignation that are commonly done which I don't like. One He's saying some of the allegations aren't true but not say which ones . This makes most of the allegations suspect because he's only admitted to a few of them. Two He's saying look over there at what the republicans are doing. The fox news types do this all day long and it bugs the crap out of me. I believe the right thing to do is apologize, resign and if any one has made false allegations deal with that later.
Do you think that Al Franken hoped he could apologize, resign, and set a good example, at least? I don't know. Maybe he didn't want his family exposed to any more of this crap either. I'm sure he's got plenty of money, so it's not like he needed the job. Sadly, we needed him more than he needed us.
I love Al Franken I like what he stands for, and don't remember ever disagreeing with him when he stood against something. I agree with you we need him and more like him more than ever. Before this happened I was hoping he would run for president in 2020. Unfortunately he's tainted at this point. His reply when asked if more accusers would come forward wasn't the best answer he could of gave. thank you for reply
There is hypocrisy, and then there is serious unabashed glaring political hypocrisy. And two names that are making that hypocrisy widely known, are the names Roy Moore and Al Franklin. Franken, not Franklin. Roy Moore is a republican running for Senate in Alabama. He's accused of sexual assault by at least 6 people, one of whom not even at the age of consent at the time of the alleged incident. Al Franken is a current Democratic senator who's been accused by LeeAnn tweeden of an unwanted sexual advance, for which he has apologized and she has accepted his apology, but also other accusers of Al Franken have come forward over the last 24 to 48 hours and indeed, Al Franken announced just hours ago that he would be resigning at the end of the year from the US Senate. This has been building up for about 24 hours. Mitch McConnell is the Senate Majority Leader. He demanded that Al Franken resign, and indeed Al Franken did, and more than 30 other Democratic senators also called for Al franken's resignation, again after another woman came forward to accuse Al Franken, and that's fine. We need to be consistent. So if we say Roy Moore should step aside and not be seated in the Senate if he wins, then Al Franken should resign.
Now Al Franken, in his speech today on the Senate resigning, he said that he is not admitting to what he is accused of and that he also has a different recollection of some of these incidents. But long story short, Al Franken is resigning and this is where we get to the glaring hypocrisy. If the point is from someone like Mitch McConnell that the Senate should be clear of people who are serially accused of doing these things, then Al Franken shouldn't be in the Senate and neither should Roy Moore. But Mitch McConnell, who again is the Senate Majority Leader, is right there, was right there for the last 24 hours calling for the resignation of Al Franken. But after initially threatening not to seat Roy Moore in the Senate if Roy Moore wins his election on Tuesday in Alabama, Mitch McConnell has backed off of this now. He has totally flip flopped and now he is saying well listen its going to be up to the people of Alabama to decide, which basically means that Mitch McConnell will seat Roy Moore and he will be a senator. And republicans have found a pretty sneaky way to defend this, and it's repulsive.
There are Republicans defending that Al Franken must go, but Roy Moore can stay if he is elected on Tuesday because they said the following, that this is their argument okay. It's not my argument. Republican voters are saying listen, voters learned of Al franken's misconduct after he was already in the Senate, so they were never able to cast a vote about Al Franken knowing what he was accused of. Roy Moore on the other hand hasn't been elected yet, so voters are going to get to vote on Tuesday already knowing what Roy Moore is accused of. So if they vote for Roy Moore despite knowing about these allegations, we have no choice but to seat him, because he would have been elected by an electorate that knew the accusations of serial sexual assault against Roy Moore. But this is a ridiculous argument because Al Frankens resignation was not called for on the basis of public opinion. So why is anyone even talking about what the voters think.
The question is, do Democrats want Al Franken or Roy Moore in the Senate, based on the multiple allegations of sexual misconduct, and the answer has been no from Democrats.democrats saying Al Franken should resign, mostly saying. And democrats saying Roy Moore should step aside and if he wins, should not be seated in the senate. Republicans on the other hand are saying Al Franken should resign , and he has. But mostly other than some few republicans like Jeff Flake, who I mentioned yesterday. Most republicans are saying Franken should go, but if Moore wins in Alabama he's the next senator from Alabama in the US Senate.If the point is that people accused of serial sexual misconduct shouldn't be Senators because of what it means for the Senate to harbor these guys, then they should be saying, if they want to be consistent, Franken shouldn't be in and Moore shouldn't be in. But there not doing that. And at the top of the heap is Donald Trump who recently fully endorsed Roy Moore, and the really sad and funny thing is that those on the left, who are hoping to talk Republicans into taking the moral high ground on this. I hate to break it to you, you can't convince Republicans to do anything based on the moral high ground because it's bogus. Evangelicals voted for Donald Trump. If there were ever a bigger confirmation that the moral high ground is irrelevant for Republicans, it's that evangelicals voted for Donald.
And in the meantime the election is in 5 days on December 12th. People have to actually get out and vote.I think it's just a political calculation tho, because Al Franken is going to be replaced by a democrat since Minnesota Governor's a Democrat. He will appoint a Democrat and a have a special election. The electorate in Minnesota is largely Democratic. They're probably going to vote for a Democrat to replace him. You can say the same thing about John Conyers right now in Michigan. but Roy Moore, the consequence of Republicans backing away from him is that Doug Jones wins that seat, then they lose one right. I think it's all just numbers. Wouldn't that be an argument to not do the double standard. Say Roy Moore can stay if he wins and Al Franken can stay, because if you're going to get rid of Al Franken for another Democrat, that would almost be an argument to just say, let's not even deal with Al Franken because it's going to be a Democrat either way. They're going to have to say that Al Franken has to go. The democrats are doing it too, there's no way to take the opposite approach. There's no doubt it just political posturing. there's nothing we can actually deduce about the supposed moral High ground and family values that Republicans claim to have. Donate, phone bank, and knock on doors if you're in Alabama, because the election is just a few days away.
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I seriously don't understand why you judge your politicians according to their personal lives. I have found it ridiculous even in the case of Bill Clinton. There are so much more important things politicians do people should talk about, but all you essentially talk about are bad manners.
We don't, for the most part. Republicans certainly don't - they just use it as a basis to attack their political opponents. Democrats only do because they are cowed into following Republican framing in desperate hopes of getting their vote and want to act like they have the moral high ground, as if Republicans actually care about that. And more recently there's the fetish for self-flagellation among the left for sins of privilege and power. That will pass soon enough. And the media's quest for ratings without having to report on actual politics and rouse the public from their reverie.
Well, most of us don't want criminals representing us. I wasn't describing Al Franken that way. Apparently, his most well-known accusers were coached. His behavior may have been awful, but nobody says he sunk to the level of the guys who are not admitting anything. I would certainly described some of the other politicians who haven't admitted to anything as criminals since Franken's accusers said he did no more than steal a kiss or a grope. Yes, I think it would be fair to judge politicians who are rapists and pedophiles. The situation is sad and ironic in a terrible way.
meh. Fix your legal system so you dont have all these money settlements turned allegations bullshit. A man being prosecuted for missteps he made in sexual relations 30 years ago - Harassment is after all vastly different to actual rape. This should only concern the people around the incident and not the whole world.
If the administration of you is causing illegal wars killing millions, the public is much less outraged than by some dirty sex scandal. Your system is build on abuse of power btw and the sexual abuse we see related to that is just a symptom.