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RE: The Voluntary Exchange Podcast - Jerusalem
Syria has ended the war they started with Israel?
Thats funny I never heard of that deal.
Syria has ended the war they started with Israel?
Thats funny I never heard of that deal.
Has Israel officially declared war on Syria?
And its pretty clear to everyone in the world that your country is the pimp and nobodies whore.
Yeah, I go back and forth on this. Who wags the dog over here?
Do you really think that people who weren't even allowed in the country clubs have all of sudden started running things?
Have you read "A Clean Break"? Do you see the authors of that paper and how they worked in the Bush Administration with Dick Cheney in the Office of Special Plans? Some of these men have duel citizenship with Americana and Israel. They were a major factor in the invasion of Iraq. They believed that overthrowing Saddam would lead to a Israel-friendly Shite government in Iraq (I know). Ahmed Chalabi was their source.
Are you talking about the half a century long conflict between both parties? That's fine, and if Syria sent missiles into Israel I'd be saying the same thing. Declare war and have fun. Israel does what it wishes and my country gives it cover. Leave the US out of it.
You leave the US out of it! I didn't tell them to stick their nose in.
Yes I'm talking about the half century conflict in which Syria is the aggressor, why declare war on someone your still at war with?
Your country imposed the Oslo process on Israel just like they did with Yugoslavia with friends like that who needs enemies!
I wish more "pro-Israel" (that's their term) had the outlook you have. I can disagree with your country's government and policies, but my real issue is more domestic. There is nothing more toxic in American political discussion then suggesting that Washington D.C. should be hands off when it comes to Israel.
You Disagree with Canada? Unforgivable!?!😜
A lot of the American people support Israel, I would say they know who their religious enemies are. Now that may be a concept that means nothing to you(or me for that matter) but to a large percentage of the world its very important. Just because when you look out on the world you see human beings it doesn't mean the world looks at you so kindly.
If some Americans believe that their "religious enemies" are Muslims an ocean away, they can go fight them. But that fight leads to blowback here, and not all of us signed up for it. Arab Muslims are not planning to invade the United States because we allow women to vote. Its because of their dead kids.
And if they do want to come here and "get me", having the full might of the US military stationed here and on my coast makes a lot more sense.
You think the Israelis are happy about their dead kids?
You ascribe the Muslims contention with us and others is because of our past crimes while ignoring what their ideology claims as their reason for opposing Israel and Jews i.e. jews are descended from apes and pigs. Or the creator of Fatah being an actual Nazi who sought nothing less than the destruction of all jews.
You kill a kid in Gaza now. The kid's relatives hate you. You're doing all the ascribing. You putting everyone involved in groups and claiming every human being called a Palestinian does what they do because of "their ideology".
People from Yemen try to blow up Americans because we killed their kids.
What about the 1/5 Palestinians that are Christian?
What about the secular ones that just hate guns in their face and checkpoints?
I know why the Muslims hate me. It's not because of their ideology.
I've had open discussions with pro-Israel posters on here that told me Muslims are "beasts". I think both sides are out of their minds.
I just look at the reality of who controls the walls, the airspace, the water, electric, has nukes, and who doesn't.
I was specifically referencing the ideology and the hate it contains.
If Syria armed and supported Hizbollah what would you say?
Any guesses?
https://steemit.com/informationwar/@openparadigm/a-comparison-of-the-crimes-of-two-countries-and-how-they-are-viewed-by-the-world-can-you-guess-which-country-i-m-talking-about
I'm not surprised that Syria arms Hizbollah. I'm not even surprised that Israel "supports" the Sunni groups in Syria against Assad. My issue again is as an American, any group declaring allegiance to Ayman_al-Zawahiri is my enemy, and having my government support these groups is treason in my humble opinion.
Now why they support these groups is the question. Is it FOR Israel? Or is it for "American interests" and those line up with those of Israel. I happen to think it's a mix of both. American interests have melded with Israeli interests over time, because of the likes of AIPAC, Bill Kristol, the Kagans, and Sheldon Adelson.
This goes back decades, and American patriots are tired of it.
I don't want the US policy towards Israel to switch to support for the Palestinians. I want the US government to have no policy towards Israel. Other an open free market trade.
You've been supporting the "palestinians" for decades! You rescued Arafat from Lebanon, check out this article to see the billions your country has given the "palestinians".
https://steemit.com/fakenews/@openparadigm/just-a-little-chat
Funding both sides is really the way we do things. But I'm not going to ignore the facts on the ground. The Israeli lobby in America has the ear of Washington D.C.
And the Arabs are voiceless?
Dude, the simple reality of American politics is that Israel has more influence than the American people when it comes to foreign policy.
More than the Saudi's? That's not the simple reality I can point to a long list of anti-Israel actions by your government if you want?
I would appreciate your input on my recent pro-israel articles.
I call myself pro-israel not for any ethnic or nationalist reasons but because I have learned what their enemies say about themselves what they describe as their motives. Don't silence the arab leaders voices.
I don't support any nation state that expands its borders and removes people from plots of land and replaces them with people from oceans away who's families come from another place on the planet thousands of miles away. I don't care about the historical context.
I don't care for the right-wing government in Israel and the things their politicians say.
I won't support any state. Especially one that operates as Israel does.
I don't think the Arabs are better people, I simply find it irrational to not see the difference in power between the two sides.
22 Arab countries vs Israel that is a big discrepancy in power.