Yes, @noriaakip. Please do take note of parents who have been abused growing up. They have no control over their actions. They can't help it. I am lucky as I am aware but when I start caning, it just doesn't stop. The only way is just to throw out canning and yes, then we develop positive punishment, but not many can do that so we society must help them. Really its all in the subconcoius mind. They must be thought positive parenting and observe and help. Can take time.