RE: Introducing myself and the GEET (Global Environmental Energy Technology) Fuel Processor
Here is my explanation of what I think is going on that I left on Alex's post, if you are interested in reading it, here it is:
Seems completely possible to me! Difference is, I can appreciate that the air is 78 percent nitrogen , and liquids tend to have "air" dissolved in it. The amount of air that can be dissolved in water increases with pressure and decreases with temperature. So if you use heat and vacuum, you can get nitrogen gas out of any liquid added to these bubbling setups, like coffee for instance. ICE already run on nitrogen gas from the atmosphere, just no one talks about it. Prove it? Well gas is a hydrocarbon, and the way it works with nitrogen is:
"NITROGEN AND HYDROGEN
Hydrogen can be made to react with nitrogen. Once again, this is a situation not found in nature. Hydrogen ordinarily doesn't exist in elemental form. Even when it is artificially made and it is reacted with nitrogen, the nitrogen isn't being "burned". Rather, it is the substance supporting the "burning." "
http://sciencing.com/nitrogen-combustible-5397514.html
Also, for the GEET case and it's possible "plasma chamber" function:
"THUNDER STORMS
There are also special circumstances in which nitrogen can be combusted. One of these is during a thunderstorm. Lightning causes some nitrogen to react with oxygen, forming oxides.
This is because lightning creates artificially enormous temperatures and pressures. Temperatures under such circumstances reach as high as 30,000 degrees. This ionizes nitrogen and oxygen, stripping them of electrons. Sometimes they will regain their electrons, with no net result. At other times, they combine together, creating the oxides as shown above. The oxides can react, in turn, with moisture in the air. Some of that water comes to earth in the form of raindrops, which enriches the soil."
So it is completely scientifically possible!
Even stars seem to be no exception in using this. Ever see these GEET people also putting sugar packets in the bubblers too? Sugar makes great carbon when burned, which leads to the next mainstream science lesson and what maybe going on in their "reaction chambers"........
"The CNO cycle (for carbon–nitrogen–oxygen) is one of the two known sets of fusion reactions by which stars convert hydrogen to helium, the other being the proton–proton chain reaction. Unlike the latter, the CNO cycle is a catalytic cycle.In the CNO cycle, four protons fuse, using carbon, nitrogen and oxygen isotopes as catalysts, to produce one alpha particle, two positrons and two electron neutrinos. Although there are various paths and catalysts involved in the CNO cycles, all these cycles have the same net result.
The positrons will almost instantly annihilate with electrons, releasing energy in the form of gamma rays. The neutrinos escape from the star carrying away some energy. One nucleus goes to become carbon, nitrogen, and oxygen isotopes through a number of transformations in an endless loop."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNO_cycle
The only thing I want is to test the engine.
No words or explanation will be worth a real life scientific experiment, done by myself, with an engine that the GEET institute says "This engine was built by us, and it already works. You try it, on your own, in your own house, without our interference."
That is the only proof I can accept.
Fair enough, I can respect that. But you say it is the only proof you will accept, while telling us it is already proven a fraud by you. I personally can't except that as 'science', and what lead me to having this conversation. I would be interested in hearing how you would plan going about testing it and what type of test equipment you would use and what you would look for. You don't have to here, maybe a new tread would be better and could earn you a little for it. Who knows, maybe someone maybe impressed enough to buy one and send it to you to test and report on here, or even crowed source it with fellow critical minded skeptics on here. We both dislike dishonestly, so lets do our best in perusing what is really going on as honestly as we can...
I would receive a pre-built, verified-to-work engine, verified by GEET itself, and then I would use it. I would use it to do some minor work, maybe just testing it, and then I would take it apart, analyze it, and then put it back together, and test it again.
The important part is zero outside interference. I dunno how it works exactly, but I also know that it's very possible to fabricate positive results.
Anyways, I say: I accept proof, even though I know it is fraud.
I only claim to accept proof because I must have an open mind on principle.
Declaring it fraud without giving them a chance would be unscientific, so I've offered a chance to them, in order to allow me to actually test it, while giving a harsh warning: Declining my test is proof of fraud.
Which is what they did. I obviously cannot receive a GEET engine, because if I was to test it, it would not work, and they would be proven to be fraud.
As it is, they decline my desire to test it, and ignore it, hoping that they can continue to cheat people out of their money, which is exactly what they're doing when they even convince YOU, a person who is normally very sharp witted, to defend it, without actually testing it yourself.
Of course advanced technology is a glorious thing to invest in.
But technology is linked with science, and science is linked with skepticism.
The only way to know if a thing is true is to test it.
I don't want to be some annoying skeptic, so if you think GEET is worth your money, then go to the seminar. Go and test out their product. Bring it home with you, if you want. Go build one, and test it yourself.
It's your money.
I only give you one harsh warning:
Faith and science are incompatible.
Either you accept a thing is true for no reason, and it's called faith,
Or you test a thing before claiming it is true, and then get others to test it, and understand how it works, and call it science, or partial science.
The actual scientific method is quite a bit more intense than just testing a thing. But eh, it's your money.
You spend it on whatever you think is good technology.
A truly worthy investment will always bring you riches.
An investment in trash will only bring you ruin and lost money.