Posting frequency and the blurry line

in OCD4 years ago

I was recently asked in discord about posting frequency and what is accepted by the community, something that is a hard question to answer, but especially relevant after Hardfork 21/22 that encouraged more downvoting. This article isn't suggesting a particular number and there are no hard rules at all, but instead will raise some points for consideration and perhaps some discussion.

Let's get into it.

Payouts

The first and foremost consideration on the Steem blockchain is generally the post payouts, as they come from what is considered a shared pool of finite resources and as such, there is an opportunity cost involved. One STEEM going to account A means that account B can't have that Steem. Because there are quite large differences in support levels across authors for many reasons, it is likely that an account that gets a lot of support will likely be expected to post less, than one that gets little.

Again, this is not a hard rule and it is up to voters to decide if they support or not, but if for example, a person has a large vote and used it solely on themselves and their alt accounts ten times a day, it would likely be met with downvotes sooner or later. The reason is that while some selfvoting is accepted, most take the stance that this is a community that encourages sharing and distribution of STEEM to those who deserve it.

Quality

Next we can talk about quality of content and this is closely related to the payout above. For example, if a person was getting highly voted on 10 selfies a day, it would likely be met with downvotes. And, there are many people who would say that a random picture of lunch is not worth large voting support at all. However, remember that a professional photographer could spend many hours creating a single picture, but the quality level is likely to be different.

The real question in regards to frequency and quality is whether an individual can actually deliver something of value multiple times a day without the standards dropping significantly. Quality is subjective in many ways of course, but in general one likely has a sense of what the quality of something is in relation to what surrounds it. And, it is pretty obvious when someone is posting low-quality content.

Spamming

The third thing to consider is the audience and what someone is willing to put up with in terms of frequency without annoying them and having them tune-out, mute or unfollow. I know that if I am consistently seeing what I consider low-quality and irrelevant posts by an individual coming through my feed, I will choose to ignore them or unfollow, as it doesn't add anything to my consumption value, so I am not going to vote on it anyway.

When people are consistently posting near-automated posts from applications that do not add much value to others, it is generally seen as farming. While not everyone may hold this view, many with stake do believe that in order to get a vote, a post has to add something of value to the community or, on average the posting account adds value to the community. Some people like myself who do get significant support, tend not to "shitpost" as we are going to get automated votes on them regardless.

Autovote abuse

The reason people have automated is generally based on the quality and consistency of past posting behavior, where some have decided to support "sight unseen" as they trust the content creator to deliver. However, there are many people who have been able to get voting support and then suddenly, their posting behavior changes and increases to take advantage of the votes. This is seen as greed and will often be met with downvoting if it continues. There have been many cases of this kind of abuse, but it is up to the voter to remove the vote from them or, up to the community to remove the value if they do not think it deserves it.

The blurry line

As you can see, pretty much all of these things are going to be treated in a subjective manner unique to any individual in the community. This means that the reaction to various behaviors are going to vary also. While some people will see someone posting a lot and just mute them, another will choose to downvote the value away, especially if it is low-quality and easy to output content.

There is no bright line on how many posts is too many in a day and I would like to say that people should use common sense, but I know that it is asking too much. Often greed sets in if getting rewarded and the urge to post more is too strong. While for others, they think that posting more is a way to get attention, without considering that what it is actually doing is turning people away from taking it seriously.

This is an attention economy and while many people are competing for viewership and vote value, it is up to each content creator to make their decisions on what is likely going to work for them. However, there are consequences to decisions made that can range from people turning away and ignoring content to people downvoting heavily - everyone is free to decide how they act here, but it doesn't come without reactions from others.

The community future

However, things are changing. For Steem to really go mainstream it requires participation from all kinds of people, posting all kinds of content. What this means is that the space is evolving into being more accepting of variation in all of the things I have mentioned thus far.

The coming Community functionality and Smart Media Token (SMT) powered experiences, will allow for a much greater range of posting behavior from a single account as content can be placed into specific content buckets that are tailored for narrow communities. This means that a post like this one that is general and likely relevant to many, could be followed up with a random question posted in a very small community without it attracting the attention of my entire audience.

Content separation through Communities on the Steem blockchain, could be visualized in a similar way to posting on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, Snapchat and TikTok, without having to have multiple accounts. While each platform is differentiated by some kind of content type, the Steem blockchain is "content agnostic", meaning it can deliver all equally.

This has been part of the problem in the past as high-end articles that take many hours to create, are positioned with selfies, some of which earn a great deal more. With one shared pool of STEEM resources where there is competition for the contents, this creates friction and conflict and raises all of the questions of the points mentioned above, and likely many more I have skipped and missed.

Expanding resources

However, the Steem inflation pool has changed and is changing more, as there isn't just one pool anymore, there are many. The tokenization layers possible on Steem means that there are now dozens of inflation pools distributing concurrently, and once SMTs are released, this range will grow even faster. This means that there can be many resources, with many of them holding economic value.

And, that means that content creators are no longer tied to earning just from Steem holder votes, the can earn from multiple token holders, across multiple pools. This means that the posting frequency is likely to go up for many people, especially since there can be communities that are created exclusively for narrow types of content and are rewarded from a layer token.

Clear as mud?

As I said, this post wasn't about giving a definitive answer on posting frequency, but rather provide points to consider. It is up to you as a content creator to decide how often you post, but remember that it is up to the individuals in the audience to decide whether they think it is too often, overvalued or spam.

While there is no one rule, what people have to consider are the unspoken rules of any community and the individuals within, who look at behaviors and judge whether they are generative of value or harmful to the value of the community itself. While it is your prerogative to decide your actions, as is it theirs.

In my personal opinion, there are very few people who can consistently post multiple times per day and still deliver something of value to the community without diluting their quality. What I have found is that hose who try eventually either burning themselves out or, burning the audience who's attention they are trying to grab and eventually, they fall silent.

Perhaps a very general rule of thumb could be;

if you are only posting it for a payout, it probably isn't worth it.

But, that is my own opinion as a content creator who has managed to consistently produce multiple times daily, for three years straight. So, while no authority, I do have experience on Steem.

For some the lines are clear.

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For me, it more comes down to sustainability. My own underlying goal per week is just 2 to 3 posts. If I end up creating more or less it’s not a big deal. I could post a little more each week I choose not to most of the time focusing on other things.

Far too many people seem to force posting daily or even more. In the long run, you often see those kinds of people fall off into the void after they become burned out. They ended up creating themselves a grind in needing to feed the never-ending desire for daily content. It’s an easy trap to fall into. Can they do that for five, ten, or even just a year? Most times not.

I also find the actual time spent on writing content to be just a fraction of the time involved with it. You have whatever experience that went into being able to make a post around it. Along with time spent promoting, maintaining, engaging, organizing, and so many other things. That right there ends up being the frequency limiter and can tie-in with how people view a piece of content as well.

Far too many people seem to force posting daily or even more. In the long run, you often see those kinds of people fall off into the void after they become burned out.

Yep, I agree. It has to be natural and unforced. What many don't seem to consider is that when they force it for a payout, it often comes through in how they write.

I also find the actual time spent on writing content to be just a fraction of the time involved with it.

My dad was an artist, a painter. While he would spend between 150-400 hours on any single painting, the real investment was developing the skill and experience to be able to do what he did - that took a lifetime.

What I find these days is that many people grow up on the internet and have relatively limited life experience, which of course limits content range.



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I would like to say that people should use common sense, but I know that it is asking too much

Ain't this the motherfucking truth!

I think if you are really true to yourself, you know what is worth posting and how often.

I think if you are really true to yourself, you know what is worth posting and how often.

Yeah, it isn't too hard in my opinion and yes, there is some room for fun occasionally too :)

Most definitely, the occasional shitpost only brightens up the feed 😝

8 8You guys are great but so is everyone else reading this thread. Okay, not everyone, not the abusers of #steem. They're shit.

Peace and love!

Peace and Love.

Very well, and most succinctly said, and on that note I won't bother commenting myself!

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It is bloody hard what you do and very few if any can keep up with your numbers. It has taken me some time as I am comfortable with 2 a day and anymore would dilute all three to some degree. There is an interesting post anywhere, you just have to look. The trick is finding the topic though and you have it down pat.

There is an interesting post anywhere, you just have to look. The trick is finding the topic though and you have it down pat.

Yep- I think when it comes to sports posts, you are doing really well :)

Thank you. I actually enjoy it which is probably the answer to your post on adding value and post frequency. If you are posting just to post then maybe you shouldn't be posting.

If you are posting just to post then maybe you shouldn't be posting.

Precisely.

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I am sure he likes to play again. So please keep the energy level up and keep the blockchain alive! Thank you all for playing!!

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I think tomorrow’s data will show an uplift in engagement too.

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Haha, I've seen a phenomenon I've coined the steemyoda effect. Once an account such as steemyoda favors you with autovotes, your posting frequency increases, and your quality drops significantly. Steemyoda drops his autovote and the posting frequency subsequently drops. I won't call anyone out besides @steemyoda, but examples are pretty easy to find.

Yeah - I get some visits from that account too - I haven't changed. But then, I have found that the more support I get, I lower my posting frequency. Back in 2017 I was posting between 30 and 40 articles a week (it was a very time consuming process as each would still average 1000 words-ish. However, I started to get some @blocktrades support (not every post as he votes manually) so dropped down to 12-15 posts a week. I felt both lazy and like I had a great deal more to say and add - but, I consciously constrained myself.

Some people don't seem to have any kind of conscience in this regard, as long as they can maximize their rewards. I see it as short-term win with long-term blindness. The account getting all that value now, will never have my support in the future as it has signaled a behavior pattern that I do not appreciate in any way.

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One thing (one thing of many but this is the biggest thing) I have not yet understood why some people would think: "Because I once got payd well in Steem, I am supposed to get that same amount now that I then did. Because it's what I deserve."

None of us actually deserve any of the Steem here because we once got something. Those who have worked / do work hard, do deserve and do get more, but no matter how long someone has been here, how many quality posts they have done, how hard they have worked for that, how good luck they had or how high Steem has been, that can all change. Investing large amounts of your own money is different than working hard and getting a steady income. Steem isn't steady so why does it still come such a big shock to some people that they no longer for some reason do not get as much as they used to? So they change their behavior in posting. Because they may think that they deserve more. Although so many others also get less here.

A touch or greed with the selfish thoughts of I deserve more (than others).

The use of common sense really is too much to ask. And if you in any of the several cases in life find yourself explaining what in that particular case would be within reason, you always realize that if you have to explain it, the person you explain it to, probably won't get it anyway. Why something is okay sometimes but not always and where is the fluctuating, invisible line.

"Nothing I say can change that persons mind." At least that's how I see things. Of course it's not that black and white. So if I sometimes encounter someone who is on the edge of realizing what is common sense, I give them a little push by saying the obvious: "If it was someone else doing this what you want to do, would you be okay with it and tolerate it? If not, there's your line."

But as you implied, not everyone gets it. Here in Steem several people may be okay with them and other people posting whatever, all the time, several times a day because they don't actually go and see how the blockchain looks like. They only see if they got what they think they deserve. And if they didn't they blame other people here. "Why you not upvote my posts?" "Why that one got that but I didn't?" "You all upvote wrong!"

The community future

Hallelujah!

Content separation through Communities

Exactly what you said and couldn't concur more and my thoughts and and and. Yes. It's a good thing. Although I like the messy blockchain on it's own too.

The sense of entitlement runs strong in the world these days, even more online as there can be the impression of competence given without needing a reality. Most people including myself are unlikely to be able to compete with professionals with our content, but that is not the point of steem, it is about being able to offer to the community directly.

When it comes to the earning levels, many people do not understand that 100 dollars worth of Steem at 5 dollars is only 20 steem, and they used to get a 100 dollars on a post, so why aren't they now, even though 100 dollars worth is 500 steem. Many do not know how the pool works and, aren't willing to learn.

There are the ebbs and flows in all things, some people handle them better than others.

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The sense of entitlement runs strong in the world these days, even more online as there can be the impression of competence given without needing a reality.

And people over ideas. I before we. I believe that topic has been many times here too. Conveniently it fits well together with entitlement.



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One of the things I have always hated the most is the author who gets on an autovote from a large staked user or two who then goes from one or two posts a day to 5 plus. Some of them go so far as to hit 10. It's disgusting almost

Have these voters note noticed the 'max votes per day function' on autovoter?

Originally, there was no such thing and it was one post, one vote. Mindhunter was raping the johal vote a lot and updated his profile to something like "the highest earning Steemian" :D

He earned a huge amount at one point!!!

Yeah, it was insane =)
until it was pointed out and ended quick smart.

He took it relatively well. He always was a chancer!

and @meesterboom - johal's delegated to ocdb now, I've never come across mindhunter.

What counts as a 'serious whale account' has changed quite a lot too in recent times I think.

What counts as a 'serious whale account' has changed quite a lot too in recent times I think.

Just wait until the ATH ;D

It has. Quite a few sprung up out of nowhere after tha last hardfork!

I've been meaning to have a look at the largest accounts on Steemd for a while, it's just quite tedious.

That last HF has stopped a lot of posting too.

It's seriously like they haven't or they have decided to just reap the curation and don't care. I can think of one recent example but it's a common thing throughout the ages!!

Yep. I think one current individual who has done so is earning the most on steem at the moment. Remember Mindhunter? He did similar and started writing like he was on LSD :)

Actually I am not sure what to do with that particular individual, if you have any idea please let me know.

I am not sure either, but he is definitely milking it heavily yet doesn't seem to feel any social shame of any kind in it. It is quite strange really.

Posting frequency is a hard thing to figure out, I am glad that I gave up trying to figure it out. Winter for me is a slow time, spring when picture taking takes off again, (which is almost here), and I do not have to freeze my toes off, I expect I will be back to 3 or 4 post a week, until then it is as the mood strikes. But the down side of that is no posting you lose those few voting trails that have hit you. It always amazes me the quality and number some people can put out a day, so for me it is easy to see why they get such nice payouts, but equally amazing is the single picture often blurry 10 times a day poster that gets some good payouts, they were going away for a while, now seem like they are coming back, The tiny price rise already seems to be having an effect.

I think for many people, they should post a bit more. More are far too conscious of what they are posting that they take the fun out of the experience. Sure, there are some who are a little too loose too :D

The tiny price rise already seems to be having an effect.

Lol yeah, it is pretty funny isn't it? Asher and I were talking about this the other day.

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