Investigating the truth behind @steemtruth’s “truth” - Part 1: Vaccines do not stop desease?

in health •  10 months ago

During the last weeks, @steemtruth has made a small fortune with a series of anti-vaccination posts, seemingly providing evidence for the complete failure of vaccines to immunize against illnesses and for their harmful, poisonous behaviour towards humans, especially children.

First off: I appreciate the guy.
Unlike many other vaccination sceptics, he seems to base his views on scientific studies and statistics – which makes his theories tangible, and opens the possibility for scientific evaluation. So let’s do exactly that: Let’s take his posts, evaluate his key points and recheck his statistics and cited studies. After all, @steemtruth’s credo is: “Truth Fears No Investigation”.

So let’s investigate, for real. Part 1 of my answer will focus on his first post (I will deal with his other posts asap, but RL stress is preventing this for tonight):

Vaccines DO NOT STOP Disease!

Here, he posted a series of graphs demonstrating that the number of deaths caused by several infectious deseases decreased long before vaccination programmes were started. Look yourself, this is an example:

Wow, at first glance this looks impressive. It gave me a pause for a second. But then...

First off, I have no idea where the numbers come from, as the quoted book states just one number for 1848-1954 (342), which is much lower than the number in the graph, but nothing for the time between 1854 and 1973. And I did not find those numbers from reliable sources in the net, so they are more than up to doubt.
Also, it seems @steemtruth has not only used all pictures of this source, but plagiarized a good part of text aswell. But that's just secondary and should be more a task for @steemcleaners than for me.

For now, let’s just assume the numbers are correct, and let’s analyze the graph.
Two minor points up front:

  1. The graph is formatted to look impressive. In the slim portrain format, any de/increase looks stronger than it actually is. This is a neat graphic trick that one can often observe on semi-scientific posts.
  2. making dots every 25th year and then drawing straight lines results in an immense loss in accuracy. A year, a dot. Then the viewer could see the up and downs, and that it was no straight development.

Now the real argument:

If you read the graph, you will notice it says mortality, which is the number of people dying from a illness. But vaccination does not primarily try to eliminate the death toll of a disease.
Treatment does.
And I think we can all agree that medical treatment improved a lot from 1850 to 1950, which is the logical reason for the decrease in mortality you can see.
Vaccinations, however, try to make people immune against a disease, which should primarily result in less cases per year, i.e. a lower "incidence".

Which is what you can see here, next to the graph you already know:

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Source: UK Parliament

When you compare the two graphs, you can see: until the late 1960s, the number of measles cases per year stay more or less constant. At the same time, if you believe the numbers provided by @steemtruth, mortality decreased drastically. This is a clear prove for the improvement of medical treatment and hygienic conditions.

But measles incidence did not decrease before vaccines were invented, and - after a last little spike in 1971 – incidence does dramatically decrease with increasing vaccination uptake rates.

The same principle can be applied to the other graphs provided in the post - I double-checked, but it's just too much for a post.

Conclusion

In conclusion, this does of course not 100% prove that vaccines were responsible for the decline of measle incidence, as there is no 100% in science. I feel generous: Let’s say 95% and call it a day.
However: It shows that building an argument against vaccinations on the base of mortality is completely invalid!

P.S.: A not so funny fact:

Measles are back. After being almost eradicated in Western countries, we see an increase of cases and some few mortal cases again during the last 10 years. Sadly, this correlates with an increased percentage of people rejecting vaccination, and the victims of the virus are most often unvaccinated (source).


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Thanks for giving clear well-reasoned arguments against anti-vaxxers. Good choice on focusing on just one element of the argument at a time.

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Good choice on focusing on just one element of the argument at a time.

Yeah, that makes it harder to throw smoke grenades ;-)

Thanks for reading!

Thx for this important work! I am sick of the bs that is spread concerning this topic. I hope @steemcleaners takes this seriously. People have to get informed in a proper state-of-the-art science based way. - BTW to promote your work i restreemed it. I hope it's fine with you!
Best,
mountain.phil28

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thx for reading. And you really don't have to ask before you resteem a post of mine ;-)

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Ok, i hope it will get read a lot!! 😎

Hey, thanks for posting this. This was necessary to see in the "Science" feed, and it's nice to have it come from an actual scientist.

Thanks for putting yourself out there, as I know these matters can be very contentious and people will vilify you for being intellectually honest and outing bullshit. I have resteemed this because I feel it needs to be shared!

Incredible article again, thank you!
Let's see if he answers here - would be interesting!
Most of the anti-vaxxers unfortunately aren't able to discuss - But on steemit there were at least some open to discussion!

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I'm writing this not so much for the hardcore anti-vaxxers. They are very fortified in their opinion, and not really ready to debate its core. But there are a lot of people who are not convinced, who doubt vacc's protective abilities after reading such semi/pseudo-scientific posts in the trending section.
It's for them I just had to write a counterstatement.

Thanks so much for your support!

Good article, thank you for digging into the sources. The choice of a graph representing "mortality" is a good example of how one can demonstrate anything just by changing the way to represent the data.
Another great example is the number of cases of autism which seem to skyrocket after the introduction of the measle vaccine in the 70s, which is in fact due to the drastic changes in diagnostic standards around the same time:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/mrdd.10029/abstract

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thanks for this source, I wasn't aware of this!

Thank you so much for doing this! And so intelligently written... It drove me a little crazy when I read @steemtruth post. As a pediatrician, I always explain to my patients parents the importance of vaccines.
Besides, did you know that in 2010, the British doctor that published the article that related MMR vaccine and autism was struck from the UK medical register and may no longer practice medicine there? There is a 2011 article published in BMJ by Dr. Brian Deer that explains how it was all a fraud.
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/history-anti-vaccination-movements
http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c5347

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thanks, I might have to use that one soon ;-)

God thank you for posting this. People who don't get their children vaccinated for at least the basics need a solid slap around the ears in my opinion. But hey, what do I know, with my basic science ed from school and my common sense and capability of questioning. :/
This is the same eye-roll inducing idiocy as the whole "gluten-free" crazy for people who don't actually have gluten intolerance and ADHD being diagnosed left, right and center.
Only this is not just harmful in small ways, it's fricking bringing epidemics back. I mean come on people. by now the evidence is pretty clear...
also, this is pretty sweet, if you haven't seen it yet :D


I love these guys. Their videos are awesome. :D (at least in my humble opinion)

Glad you decided to tackle this issue with your own series as a counter. I have read @steemtruth ´s posts also, as you know, and it just drives me nuts how these people just ignore all the research that opposes their opinion and then using some sketchy sources and abuse some valid sources. I hope your posts teaches people to be more suspicious and to read research themselves. Cheers!

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Exactly. There can be hundreds of peer-reviewed reputable studies done on how vaccines are effective. But give the anti-vaxxers one crappy study about how vaccines are bad and they'll run with it.

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excellent publication

Thank you for writing this! I saw their misleading post and had similar thoughts as you.

Thank you for this. One of the reason I took a long break from Steemit was the rampant pseudoscience. The bottom line is that vaccines save lives, especially in developing countries (from which sooooo many steemit users are from).

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I think as steemit obviously attracts anti-establishment people by design, pseudosciences are overrepresented - also with whales. But we're catching up^^

Thanks for commenting!

I do like some real statistical analysis and science. Good on you. I shall follow you for more of this proper malarkey!

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thanks!

just eat an orange. Oranges have no Aluminium oxides or ethyl mercury and have no deadly side effects plus boost immune function, make less money for greedy drug companies cost less per dose. And oranges help your immune system fight all viruses and more; not just 1 virus. Seems like a better bet to me.

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oranges are healthy for sure, and maybe they even help your immune system a little.
But they don't immunize you against deadly diseases.

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what deadly diseases? like Cancer ?

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oh, I waited for you^^

Like measles, mumps, tetanus, diphteria, meningitis, pneumokocci, polio and yes - hpv which is able to cause cervix cancer.

All those are deadly - some more, some less - and/or can lead to serious long-term health problems.

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No way to prevent them naturally?

Measles deadly ? My family has a measles party

Tetanus ? Is there immunity to a dirty wound? Toxoids prevent toxins ? You do know tetanus is anaerobic right ? Wound hygiene is most important

Polio ? Do you know what chemical poisoning is?
Have you researched Paris green, lead arsenate, BHC or DDT ?

If the "so called" diphtheria vaccine, which is in fact a toxoid, works against the toxin produced by the bacteria, and not against the bacteria itself, then how did this "vaccine" help in the decline in diphtheria?

Well I must be a miracle without all those vaccines

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Do you know what chemical poisoning is?

I have a PhD in biological chemistry and I currently work as a senior researcher in the field of food toxicology, so the answer is yes.

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Polio or chemical poisoning ?

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Well I must be a miracle without all those vaccines

No, statistically enhanced risks do not mean that this happens in all cases. But listining to you guys one could assume that all those perfectly healthy vaccined children out there are miracles - but they (inlcuding me and my family) are 90%.

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You can't "boost" the immune system. Otherwise, you would have constant inflammation. It would be extremely painful but "fortunately", it would not last long.

But the Big Orange wants you to think this :)
Thanks for the idea for my next post.
Now I'm going to eat some oranges.

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You are mistaken. For instance I had been vaccinated and still got measles. You see vaccinations can not protect against mutations of a virus or bacteria. Your immune system does protect you better against everything. So it is not a good idea to get an injection that contains toxins known to harm the health of your immune system. Building a strong immune system is exactly opposite of what vaccinations do because of the toxins in them. Just keep up your flu shots like a good citizen; because then you won't be around to argue your peer reviewed knowledge you paid so much for, very much longer. You'll be too sick with the Flu or worse. Don't say I didn't warn you!

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Also some people are allergic to oranges and may die. And then there is the acid so could eating too many oranges lead to stomach ulcers and acid reflux? Cheers!

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So? eat an apple instead! But, you know, if you like aluminium and ethel mercury better that's fine; then have fun with all the related symptoms :) Some people like to kill themselves and that's perfectly ok with me as long as no one forced them to do so.

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Again, claims without prove. Cheers

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Do you need proof that aluminium oxides and ethylmercury is bad for you or that they are in vaccines?
Here is more reasons to stay away from vaccines. Doctors are not trained in immunology, the ingredients in vaccines, nor how they work.
Your proof:


At the end Doctors talk about how no studies have been done on human infants to prove they are safe. Plus the effects of adjuvants in vaccines.

The hypothesis behind this graph: Diseases disappear just like that, naturally.

Ok. I Agree! What? Surprised? I agree!

Because this is right, after 1.000.000 years of human evolution (or 10.000 years if you prefer), we still have:

  • tetanus
  • measles
  • cancer
  • polio
  • tuberculosis
  • pertussis
  • mumps
  • rubella
  • hepatitis

And right now, right now in this brief time frame when the diseases started disappearing naturally - the vaccines were introduced to "steal the thunder".

And it happened 20 times, consecutive 20 times! Damn vaccines...

Nature: 1.000.000 years to do the job - failed
Medicine: 10 years to fix the problem - solved

Medicine is wrong. Medicine solved nothing :)

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health comes from laboratories ? diseased animals ? sick humans?

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Yes... Isn't that obvious?

Year 18, number of labs 0, number of diseases without the cure High
Year 518, number of labs 0, number of diseases without the cure High
Year 1018, number of labs 0, number of diseases without the cure High
Year 1518, number of labs 0, number of diseases without the cure High

Year 2018, number of labs High, number of diseases without the cure is lower every day

Aztecs without labs - died in millions from European diseases
Indigenous Indians without labs - the same case
Cholera, tuberculosis, pneumonia - killed millions in the Age without Labs

The world needs more labs...

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Any medical professional who believes that it is justified to inject known neurotoxins, antibiotics, antigens, preservatives, adjuvants, stabilizers, buffers, emulsifiers, polysorbate 80, aluminum, mercury, formaldehyde, live viruses, egg protein, human DNA, human cell lines from aborted infants, and protein from human blood into any person to prevent any disease is completely misguided, misinformed, deluded and ignorant of any logic regarding human health.

"In 1993 a high court judge in the UK decided that it was impossible to know the exact contents of vaccines and that science had no idea what the cocktail of chemicals, contaminants and heavy metals contained in vaccines could do to the human body, or why they would work to prevent disease." -- British Medical Journal, 1993.

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Well, medicine in today's form exists less than 100 years.

There was plenty of time for all imaginable alternative therapies to prove the efficiency. And all those techniques failed.

Lifespan was short, human population was low but sure, medicine is wrong.

We will probably live by the age of 100, while our ancestors lived 50, but sure medicine is wrong.

Neurotoxins, fish have them, Japanese people eat them, plants have them, people are using plants.

Antigens? Are you sure what does it means "antigen"?

Human DNA? I just kissed my girlfriend and trust me, there was a lot of human DNA in that kiss.

Human cell lines from aborted infants... Even worse my man, cell lines from the dead people who died from cancer.

Proteins from human blood... You heard about the transfusion, there is a lot of proteins there and it saved countless lives.

But, you are right, we, ignorants are wrong. Although we save lives.
And you, the smartest people in the word are right. Although you don't save lives.

But feel free to prove me wrong and live healthy for 150 years without the medicine.
I would be happy if you prove me wrong.

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Ingestion
injection

Guess who is not living longer babies !

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I'll tell you the secret...

When you eat something, some of those ingredients come into the blood.

Trust me, every time you eat, every time you bread, every time when some bacteria die in your body...

Some DNA enters your blood.
And a lot of your/ my DNA doesn't originate from humans. Thus... Foreign DNA is entering our DNA every single day in the last 1.000.000.000 years.

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Any medical professional who believes that it is justified to inject known [...] to prevent any disease is completely misguided, misinformed, deluded and ignorant of any logic regarding human health.

No. If it's based on science that clearly states otherwise - and in case of vaccines the overwhelming majority of independent science is clearly pointing out the advantages - the researcher is right.

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Prevent Diseases?!

Prevent these!
Toxemia!
Deficiencies!
Abuse and neglect the body receives from poor eating habits and lifestyles!
A weakened body!
Oxidative stress!
Inflammation!
Mitochondrial dysfunction!

Tell me if drugs / vaccines prevent these that cause diseases?
Body pollution from wrong diet and neglect of natural living principles is the cause of disease.

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...you should be incredible happy that essential body functions (like our adaptive immune system, that we can teach how to deal with dangerous infections/diseases by vaccinations e.g.) are working unconsciously, otherwise a ignorant being like you would not make it very long.
Cheer your body functions! :D

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We have to remind our immune system how it works ?
In an unphysiological way? Sorry but memory's cells are slow learners . So what you are saying is injecting diseases prevents diseases but you don't get sick because you choose an abnormal route ? Measles ? You don't think there are checks and balances through the "whole" process ? 75% of your immune system is in your gut .Get a fever get a rash you get immunity ! Why do you think there are booster shots ? Artificial immunity wore off? Memories cells need a reminder. Why do you think adults are getting measles a childhood disease ? Why do you think parents are not passing down their immunity (maternal) to their kids ? Do infants even produce antibodies the first year of life or do they get the protection immunoglobulins from the parent (breast milk). Learn the difference between cellular and humoral immunity. Well like Th1 Th2 and Th3.

Aluminum is placed in the vaccines to selectively target the up-regulation of the humoral arm (TH2 cells) of children’s immune systems, to drive the production of antibodies. The medical community leads us to "believe" that this production of antibodies is what imparts for children a protective nature against vaccine-preventable illnesses. Yet, this outcome may come at a cost.
Antibodies do not determine immunity

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And you didn't answer my question.

This is amazing! I was so sick of arguing with these crazies in the post section!

You have no idea how happy this had made me!

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wait for part 2, which is almost finished. He didn't read his sources for that one, which actually prove quite the opposite of what he wants to say^^

What is a toxic dose ?
Dr. Haley (Toxicologist) declines to state a toxic level of mercury because patients differ in their ability to detoxify and excrete the mercury. Also, many
factors synergistically increase the toxicity of a given level.
Example
Antibiotics.
Both ampicillin and tetracycline have been shown to enhance
the neuron-killing effect of thimerosal, perhaps by enhancing its delivery to specific sites.

"combination of substances in toxicology can be greater than the sum of its parts. "With lead and mercury, for instance, a toxicity rating of 1 for each mercury and lead equals not 2, but 60 when combined."---Hal Huggins

Boyd Haley, Ph.D., Professor and Chair of the Chemistry Department, University of Kentucky discusses the issue of testosterone and mercury:
"One of the conundrums of autism is the 4:1 ratio of boys to girls that get the disease. We therefore decided to test the effects of both female and male hormones on the neurotoxicity of thimerosal. The results were eye-opening. For example, 50 nanomolar thimerosal causes less than 5% neuron death within the first three hours incubation and 1 micromolar testosterone causes no significant death within this time frame. However, mix these two together and 100% neuron death was observed at the earliest time point checked. This represents a severe enhancement of thimerosal toxicity."

A good example demonstrating 'synergistic toxicity' is a 1978 study on mice (Shubert et al. Combined Effects in Toxicology – A Rapid systematic Testing Procedure: Cadmium, Mercury & Lead. J. of Toxicology & Environmental Health 4:763, 1978). The study took the amount of mercury salt that kills 1 in 100 mice and 1/20th of the amount of lead salt that kills 1 in 100 mice. When these amounts of mercury salt and lead salt were administered, the synergistic toxicity of these two toxins killed 100 in 100 mice:

If Additive toxicity, one would expect 1 + 0.05 = 1.05 mice to die (1 or 2)
With Synergistic toxicity, the results were: 1 + 0.05 = 100 mice died

MY Question is where are these studies on combining vaccines for this mandated schedule? Not to mention many other factors like MTHFR gene mutation and environmental factors. ?

Do you have any on this mandated schedule?
Just curious

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I will deal with safety issues of vaccines in my answer to @steemtruth's third post, where he also adressed this.
This post here just targets his ridiculous statements that vaccines would not be working - which I have debunked as wrong, and I will debunk it again in my second post.

Feel free to ask again below that future third post.

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I'm good

I have my proof
My doctors
Immunologists
Toxicologists
Virologists
Neurologists
My research
My proof
My journals
My own responsibilities

Thanks though :) have a great day

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good for you, bad for my children who will eventually suffer from the ignorance that your cult is spreading via the herd immunity effect.

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Lmao herd immunity I needed a good laugh and what a shame you are one of the ones that are suppose to protect the safety of our kids

If your kids get sick it is your fault !

Blame germs ?
Blame the toxic polluted body
That invited the germs a perfect home

Wow I'm amazed at the ignorance

Herding ignorance

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Cults sacrifice animals glad you are a part of that

Abort more babies

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Abort more babies

And that's exactly the point where it's too much.

I accept your differing opinion.
I tolerate the circumstance that you don't seem able to write one coherent question at a time.
I am annoyed by you spamming the comment section of my post with ~ 20 long and hard to understand, more and more emotional comments...It is the try to silence reason with noise and besides, really bad manners, but I still tolerate that.

But I am not tolerating this kind of insult in my blog!
You crossed the line, you are muted.

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Insulted ?
Getting nutritional advice from these doctors is like going to a French restaurant and asking for chow mein

Ugh

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He can't handle the truth. LOL

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A very noteworthy study was published in 2013, looking at baboons, which are susceptible and manifest whooping cough like humans do. In the study by Warfel, baboons who were either vaccinated or not vaccinated were later exposed to pertussis bacteria, something that cannot be done experimentally in humans (due to ethical considerations), but which yields very important data. Expectedly, the baboons that had never been infected got the cough and remained colonized with bacteria for a maximum of 38 days. Baboons that were previously vaccinated and immune vaccine-style, became colonized upon later exposure for a longer time than the naïve baboons; 42 days. However unvaccinated baboons that recovered naturally and were later exposed to the bacteria did not become colonized at all – zero days.

So, who is providing better herd immunity in the face of bacterial exposure? Vaccinated individuals who presume they are immune, yet remain asymptomatically colonized for 42 days spreading bacteria? Unvaccinated kids who get infected and remain colonized for 38 days? Or the naturally convalesced who are not able to be colonized and therefore do not spread bacteria at all upon re-exposure? Better still: natural convalescence makes for decades longer, solid immunity than vaccination.
http://www.pnas.org/content/111/2/787.abstract

Science says camel cigarettes are best And recommended by doctors IMG_6189.JPG

Don't eat tuna while you are pregnant but Hey I got this flu shot for you!

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It's a beautiful article about health
I am waiting for Part 2

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thanks for reading and voting...NOT.

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You know... respectfully, may just point out that not everyone can or wants to upvote everything they read and liked. I'm reading a lot of articles a day, and although I'm a pretty insignificant minnow, and my vote gives a measly 0.01$, if I upvoted every single article I read and like, it would be 0.00$ for everyone.
No need to be so gruff to people who read and liked your article just because they didn't also upvote it.. :/
just a thought... no disrespect meant.

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I was not meaning to be disrespecting.
Before I post something like that, I check the commentary section to see if it's a generic comment spammer. And he is. That's why I reacted in that way.

Also, if someone likes what I write, I don't care if it' worth 0.01$ or 10$, the upvote shows me whether my content is appreciated or not.

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oh, nono! gosh I didn't mean you were disrespecting, I meant that I didn't mean any disrespect by saying what I did.
(In case you're referring to the last line in my comment )

I see, yeah well, that is totally understandable. I really dislike spammers as well.
It just seemed like a short but genuine comment, but obviously I didn't check on the persons comment history. apologies.