Gridcoin Community Hangout #025 - 04th Mar 2017 @ 9PM GMT (RSVP & Suggest topics!)steemCreated with Sketch.

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Gridcoin Community Hangout #025

A massive shout out to the BeyondBitcoin community & @officialfuzzy for providing the Gridcoin community a room in their mumble server for free.

Another massive thanks to @peppernrino for editing the hangout recordings! Follow him on Steem! :D

What is Gridcoin?

Gridcoin securely rewards BOINC computation on top of Proof of Stake. Reward allocation is distributed, not centralized unlike other distributed computing related cryptocurrencies.

More info:

Where can I listen to past hangouts?


The minutes can be found here.

Past episode details

024 RSVP & Topic suggestion thread

Why are we holding these hangouts?

  • A mumble conference call can provide significant advantages over communicating via forums and IRC.
  • To create opportunities to inform the public of new Gridcoin, BOINC and related services & their development progress.
  • To bridge relations between the cryptocurrency & BOINC communities.

How long will the hangout last?

If there are not many topics suggested then hangouts won't last longer than an hour, on the other hand if there are many topics suggested then the hangout may last 2-3 hours!

When the Gridcoin Community Hangouts start really picking up traction we can become more strict with allocated speaking time if need be (so you're not waiting hours to talk).

Want to suggest a topic to discuss?

Reply with your suggestions in this Steem post & order of discussion will be from highest to lowest voted suggestions.

Can we discuss anything?

It's advisable to stay generally on topic, attendees are distributed around the world so they may not (likely won't) share the same views regarding controversial topics not related to Gridcoin/BOINC/Cryptocurrency.

That said, this 'on topic' guideline fizzles away once official recording has ended & the hangout becomes a more relaxed environment.

Proposed time for Gridcoin Hangout #025:

9PM GMT 04th MAR 2017.

Compare 9PM GMT to your time zone!.

How to join the Gridcoin hangout

Step 1: Download Mumble. [Windows Client, Android Client]

Step 2:

Step 3: Configure Mumble & join the server!

Label: BeyondBitcoin - Gridcoin
Port: 64738
Username: Enter your username
Password: w0rldCh@NG3rsUN!t3

Step 4: Join the Gridcoin channel!

Step 5: Configure your audio wizard & setup Push-To-Talk. Join 10-15 mins before the hangout starts to test your audio configuration.

I hope you decide to attend the hangout - everyone is welcome to join, especially those who suggest topics of discussion in this thread.

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How to react to allegations of kikipope's botnet usage?

Project admin responsibilities:

  • Ban user from projects?
  • Blacklist hosts (preventing bots from joining without obfuscating their fingerprints).

BAM responsibilities:

  • If botnet usage is proven, ban kikipope?

Temporary things we could do:

  • Delete user's beacon within NN?
  • Kick from team, across all project?,1


I believe this individual should be 'kicked' from the Gridcoin Team and their Beacon removed from the Neural Network if it can be proven 'beyond a shadow of a doubt' that this individual is being dishonest, cheating and benefiting from his/her efforts.

However, if this can be done once it can be done again and maybe it is being done by more than one individual.
I believe it is time for more investigation by ourselves as I don't believe that BOINC or the Administrators will investigate this unless we have more evidence.


I will add a hosts counter per user to gridcoinstats till the next update. It will only show the amount of hosts a user has, nothing more than that. I'm not sure if the hosts file on the project will hide the host if the user ticks in the hide hosts option. But this user has, according to the hosts.gz file, 3206 hosts.


kikipope is gone from VGTU Gridcoin team

huppdiwupp has been doing great work in the dev branch:

  • Resizable windows.
  • Updated splash screen from previous contest.
  • Tweaks to when the client was used in dark themes.

Also in the pipe from hdw: voting on Linux in the UI. No more fiddling in the console, copy pasting polls and options. The PR is there, accepted by me with some minor remarks, waiting for final verdict from Rob.


Link to GRC shop directory:

Perhaps we should start offering bonuses/bounties for getting shops to accept GRC via coinpayments?

challenge situation: past/current/upcoming team competitions


whitelist time:


Denis did not end up being whitelisted.

Voting time: past/current/upcoming polls



March 13: Are you concerned regarding low network stake weight participation?
March 17: whitelist poll: Should we remove TN-Grid from the whitelist due to no available work units?
March 29: What is the minimum vote weight that should be required for mandate behind a poll to be valid?
March 29: How should we interpret the outcome of a poll?
March 30: If A Poll Attempts To Establish A Minimum Vote Weight Requirement For Future Polls , Should The Poll In Question Require An Equal Level Of Vote Weight Participation To Be Considered Legitimate?
April 9: Will you contact an online store to accept Gridcoin via
May 9: Will you help out with the Gridcoin tasks?
May 20: What should we do regarding the mandatory team requirement?
June 11: technical poll: Should the DPOR:POS mechanism be rebalanced?

Any more frequent, observed user problems ?



Potential poll exclusion via ( (poll length) >(cpid & stake).age )

new Gridcoin tasks since last hangout:

  • read out


Hi! I am a robot. I just upvoted you! I found similar content that readers might be interested in:

thoughts on making:

  • a non-profit 501c(3)
  • removing BOINC team requirement
  • ... ?



More context:

Quote from ALIEN:

I spoke with Rob about removing the team requirement and expanding to become the entire BOINC network. He has several ideas including switching from superblocks to burn address for our magnitude storage and master or active nodes to address security and scalability.

Scalabilty: Lets say 1% of random gridcoin nodes, or designated grc nodes online with a hash below 1% in the neural network act as the ‘active’ nodes to perform a web service function – and we add a security function to those active nodes, that may authenticate new beacons by using some type of serial code – IE the network knows when a new CPID comes online, proves its credits, applies a private key unknown to the applier, and instantiates an unhackable beacon.

Security: A rough idea on accomplishing this, would be something to the effect of associating each CPID with a gridcoin address, and adjusting the address balance according to the users daily magnitude. IE: If your burn address contained 100.5 credits today, your mag must be 100.5. And these burn address magnitudes would fluctuate in real time as the neural network processes credits per block.

This is just a general idea and I don't really want to debate how we remove the team requirement at this time (yes CM I know you have lots of thoughts on this). The important issue is; as you can see, this would be quite extensive and Rob does not want to tackle it without the help of an additional dev given his current workload with his independent programming business. So it is our job to come up with a plan to find a competent C++ programmer that can work with Rob if we want to get this done in the near future. Here are my thoughts on achieving this ranging from simplest to most difficult:

  1. Pay a dev on contract out of the foundation funds.
  2. Raise a BTC bounty to pay for dev work.
  3. Create a US 501©(3) to solicit tax deductible donations from individuals/businesses and apply for grants.

Best place I can think of to find a dev would be unless someone knows of a better way.


Could you at least explain in 2 sentence what the number 3 is? Not all of us are knowledgeable in the field of US tax codes ;)

Sure, a 501c(3) is the most common non-profit/charity legal entity in the US. You can still pay people that work for the non-profit, advertising, devs, etc, but there is no residual net profit retained by owners like a traditional for profit company. All profits have to be used for the cause and would be sent to another designated charity if it is dissolved. The big advantage is that other people and business can donate to the charity and write it off on their taxes. So we could solicit donations from large businesses etc to help pay for development. We would need some ambitious GRC community members to approach them obviously but hopefully we have some interested people.. I have other future ideas about possible management fees for commercial projects paid to the non-profit (any income would be used to further development to the max!) but that would be way in the future and not worth even thinking about atm. We need to expand to the whole BOINC network and make sure our scalability can handle everyone.

I would pursue this entity since I could set it up at a rather low cost and could fulfill the accounting and filing requirements without hiring an accountant or attornery until it become too large to manage (which would be great). Also Rob, myself and a a lot of programmers are located in the US. Either way I don't think it will be an issue taking donations from anywhere and paying workers from anywhere but I would have to look into the proper accounting for that. My state requires 3 director and there would need to be meetings held with the minutes recorded on top of the bookkeeping. There would be a lot of advantages but it would be a lot of work as well. I believe Folding coin has their own 501c(3).

Here would be the optimal outcome of the non-profit:

  • Second committed Dev. to complement Rob
  • Remove team requirement and basically become the entire BOINC network since there would be no reason for a BOINCer to not participate in GRC as well = Huge increase in network size.
  • Marketing team to solicit donations, advertise, and attend all crypto related talks/conferences.
  • Clean streamline wallet with a simple mode option that is as close to "one-click" as possible.
  • Keeping pumping back any funds into further development and marketing.
  • Hopefully the this will really get a snowballing effect of advanced development as we gain more exposure and cashflow to fund it.