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RE: "WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT FLAT EARTH" - THE TIME HAS COME.

in #flatearth7 years ago (edited)

I have no words really. I can't even believe that this is an arguable subject. Good luck!
I saw this event live BTW (Flat Earth )

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Yeah, this has been debunked for years now. If that's the curve then New Mexico covers 1/3 of the "ball".

Debunked, does that include the fish eye effect, that is not visible on the foreground but only on the background, out of focus. Did you try google earth from those altitudes to compare what the scale would be? debunked, fishy.

Yes, very debunked, very "fishy" indeed. This is not even something that Heliocentric defenders use as "proof" any longer, as it is clearly a go-pro, fish-eye lens, as made very evident by the size of New Mexico below it. There's no debate here.

Yeah, fish eye lens that doesn't distort the foreground, just the background, The numerous shapes in the foreground aren't distorted at all.

Yeah, evidently they cropped up some horizon, where is the endless flat earth? Why does the horizon fall off it the plane goes on for ever in all directions?

Great question. You should really look into it, if you're interested. :)

Yeah, fish eye lens that doesn't distort the foreground, just the background, The numerous shapes in the foreground aren't distorted at all.

It's fish eye lens, the horizon is cropped because it goes on to infinity at eye level.

Look no earth rotation!!
How could this occur on a spinning ball?

Foucault's pendulum proves the earth's motion through the Coriolis force.

Agree to disagree. :)

As always the comments hold the truth:

But they don't. That "machine" usually consists on an electromagnet located at the centre of the swing area. It "pulls" the pendulum to the centre, so it does not induce any rotation. The electromagnet switched off automatically either using a timer or a magnetic sensor, so it does not work when the pendulum is swinging "out".

I like that you have no arguments of your own, nothing that you can express with your own words, time and time again. Those videos don't do anything more than raise questions of exactly what are you willing to believe while expressing that you want people to question everything.

If you didn't understand the video, please watch again. :)

Again, you can call this a respectable post, you have engaged in self voting, pandered to extraordinary claims in lieu of evidence, and hypocritically said question everything, you answered questions with videos, dismissed points with videos, and have not offered one argument of your own. It was worth repeating.

I think you're purposefully ignoring the evidence presented and thus I have nothing more to offer you. :) Feel free to rewatch to understand that the Foucault pendulum argument isn't even on the radar of anyone genuinely discussing this topic. It's completely debunked as a "proof" of a sphere rotating earth.

The better question is how do you explain lunar eclipse? Or the spinning balls in the sky, moon and sun, both observable and spinning.

Great question. Yes the Moon and Eclipses are not yet fully understood by either model from what I've seen. Very fascinating stuff. :)

1 Hour long video Titled 5 epic fails. It doesn't take 12 minutes to cover one point does it?

The questions are
what is the purpose, for this conspiracy, and why don't we ever hear of one person who has perpetrated this conspiracy but changed his ways?

Where are the whistleblowers.

Some are afraid to invest time into research, some are not. :) The answers you seek are all around you. :)

Where are the wistleblowers, where is the evidence, what are the names, where is the proof? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Why are they lying about the shape of the earth?

Doesn't the amount of effort necessary to maintain this massive conspiracy, require some visible, some evident benefit to the conspirators and what is the benefit to us, having learned this "truth"?

Where's your evidence? Please share. :)

So again:

Where are the wistleblowers, where is the evidence, what are the names, where is the proof? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Why are they lying about the shape of the earth?

Doesn't the amount of effort necessary to maintain this massive conspiracy, require some visible, some evident benefit to the conspirators and what is the benefit to us, having learned this "truth"?

1 Hour long video Titled 5 epic fails. It doesn't take 12 minutes to cover one point does it?

Apparently it does. :)

Apparently you cannot name them or write them down, no cutesy for conversation period. Just shove a video in my face because you have no ability to explain or form an argument or exemplifying a certain thing, apparently it doesn't.

I found the discussion under the video far more interesting, this pwerson ended all sensible conversation:

+Hendrik-jan Monshouwer - If you want 'nitty picky' which twilight do you mean - civilian, nautical or astronomical?

Venus was amazingly bright and relatively high in the sky, even after astronomical twilight, early this year in January. Mercury, I think, is too close to the Sun for it to be easily, if at all, observed after astronomical twilight.

By the way, these observations fit the heliocentric model, considering planets orbit more or less along the plane of the ecliptic. I can bring up Stellarium and go to any location, date and time and check its predictions against what is actually in the sky, and guess what? It's correct 100% of the time and its calculations are based on the heliocentric model.

The fact of the matter is until FETs actually develop a comprehensive and consistent FET model of the universe (you know, 'draw it out') that makes predictions that can be tested against reality there really is nothing to discuss.

Oh, and while we're talking about 'magically woven' what exactly in FET explains how the Sun & Moon stay up? How about what makes them move across the sky? What powers the Sun? I can go on and on because FET has no - zero, nada, nil, zilch - physics or maths behind its magical workings.

The observations are not exclusive to the heliocentric model.

Is that what you got from that post? That it somehow said that the observations are exclusive to the heliocentric model?

Why and how?

Your evidence of a spinning ball please? :)

The shadow of the earth on the moon during a lunar eclipse plus various experiments that have been done demonstrating optically or otherwise angle of movement and speed. The Omega 3-6-9 Ratios and all other phenomena that resolves around the equator as distinct from moving away from the equator. The predictive power of the "spinning ball" model, the numerous people who are involved with space, and the lack of evidence to the contrary. The "Spinning Ball" A, the moon, and "Spinning Ball" B, the sun, the numerous moons and the planets in our immediate vicinity, The horizon, sun set and sun rise, circumnavigation and satellite imagery, gigabites upon gigabytes of pixels, of galaxies and galaxies, of planets, moons and even ufos. Also the fact that there isn't one picture of flat earth, not one picture of the 200 foot wall of ice from space, showing conclusively the wall, which would be the single evidence required, and considering there are drones, there is no reason why people who really believe their observations are correct, that there is an endless wall of ice encircling us, why haven't they provided one shred of evidence , someone in Argentina flying to and from Argentina should be able to confirm the endless wall of ice with one photo. A grand conspiracy, in spite of all the different facts that are explained by heliocentric model.

Eclipses are understood by the heliocentric model, and predicted with extreme accuracy.

Is this video supposed to replace an actual retort to "Eclipses are understood by the heliocentric model, and predicted with extreme accuracy."? Because it's not, and the facts are obvious, Eclipses and tides are predicted and explained in extreme detail based on the heliocentric model.

Why make a conspiracy around this? That doesn't require a video to explain. Why make a conspiracy so grand for no benefit, and how does a conspiracy so grand can ever hope to scale in terms of human factor, where no such feat has ever been done, at least smaller feats have failed and there will always be the threat of defectors, but not one such defector from the largest operation, which has no discernible reason or method for such a conspiracy.

You're free to believe whomever and whatever you choose. :) If you think that there is nothing left to see here, no inconsistencies in the model you defend, then I guess you're just easier to convince. :) Where's the curve?

More Importantly:
Why make a conspiracy around this? That doesn't require a video to explain. Why make a conspiracy so grand for no benefit, and how does a conspiracy so grand can ever hope to scale in terms of human factor, where no such feat has ever been done, at least smaller feats have failed and there will always be the threat of defectors, but not one such defector from the largest operation, which has no discernible reason or method for such a conspiracy.

In a post about "respect" you self vote, you follow a user who makes extraordinary claims and offers zero evidence in spite of promoting "question everything", then you provide hour long videos with 5 points, and have not answered the crucial questions but instead dismiss them. Despicable behavior.

I support the posts with value. including yours. :)

You self vote because you're despicable, you abuse something while calling it adding value. Yeah, you do understand that you can also curate other people and get value, because if everyone did what you do there would be no more curating and no more value, there would be no more society actually, if everyone supported themselves at the expense of community, because you realize that voting power doesn't come back, and those shares you apportioned yourself from the community cost others a little bit, and you and others doing this amounts to QUITE A LOT, in effect you masturbated when you could have had sex, and you masturbated again and again and again and again, and again and again, when you could have chose sex with another.

The best part is that you are so removed from reality you cannot and will not see the clear detrimental effect on the community, and believe you are actually increasing the value and not giving certain impressions about what is ok, like it's ok to self vote because that means curate content, because value, and yeah, community, including yours.

You are a walking talking contradiction, you apportioned rewards for yourself and tell me that you've added value to me. You have not made one comment worthy of critical thought or respect, you are despicable.

Ad hominem's, assumptions, errors in logic. :) I still love you though :) You've taken up enough of my time, however. lol All the best on your quest for truth, if that's what you're interested in? Thank you for helping me challenge myself and for helping me realize that I'm proud of where I stand and the work I've put in. :) Thank you again. :) -CJ

No assumptions:

You self vote because you're despicable, you abuse something while calling it adding value.

Why and how your despicable.

What error in logic, what ad hominems when the TOPIC OF CONVERSATION HERE IS YOUR BEHAVIOR. you want yo see the actual impact of your behavior, here is a new user who replied to me by synchronicity when you were doing your self voting:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@yoda1917/self-upvoting-is-no-longer-allowed-what-would-be-the-consequences-what-would-be-the-benefits#@lanadancer/re-baah-re-yoda1917-re-baah-re-yoda1917-re-aggroed-re-yoda1917-self-upvoting-is-no-longer-allowed-what-would-be-the-consequences-what-would-be-the-benefits-20170708t060047728z

OMG.. You know that there are more than one layers in the atmosphere right?
You won't see the earth spinning unless you are out of the earth's atmosphere.
Guys, please come back to your senses and focus on what is important. Learn blockchain technology and cryptocurrencies. Stop wasting your time in nonsense theories. Do it for your children and for yourselves.

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