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Don't Be A Logiczombie!!!

A logic zombie is someone who blindly follows logic no matter how ridiculous the conclusions may be.

For example, you can't just blindly follow logic into idiotic beliefs like determinism and solipsism. These are obviously intellectual black holes with no utilitarian value whatsoever.

A logic zombie is just a person who can't face reality and who won't be honest with themselves.

A logic zombie is someone who never takes personal responsibility for their actions and instead blames logic for their moronic and misguided attacks on well established and incontrovertible truth.

You can't depend on logic for everything. People know deep down what is right and what is wrong. You know the truth. You just need the courage to face the facts. LINK

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Just to clarify, solipsism and determinism are philosophical currents easily refutable by someone with the right tools and with a good methodology. They are not logical or rational beliefs, they only appear to be.

The key to differentiating a logical belief from one that is not, is that the second needs illogical tools to support itself. For example, the determinists themselves accept that belief in free will is a necessary "lie." Just as solipsists don't manage their daily lives as if they were the only existing person.

In any case, it is better to follow intuition before drawing extravagant logical conclusions.

Just to clarify, solipsism and determinism are philosophical currents easily refutable by someone with the right tools and with a good methodology.

Please demonstrate.

I have already refuted solipsism in the past, although I may make a publication again that specifically addresses the subject. On determinism I also have a rebuttal, unfortunately it is too long and I have not had the time to develop it yet, at least not on Steemit.

Have you managed to refute indeterminism?

I am not familiar with the term even.

Indeterminism is a tautological mix of random and non-random events.

Since random (uncaused) events and non-random (caused) events are BOTH incompatible with freewill, (and since no clever mix solves either incompatibility) you would simply need to propose some (currently unknown) third option in order to explain how freewill might be logically viable.

Although I really have a proposal, it is not necessary to propose anything new, it is only necessary to remove the obstructions of the truth to be able to see it fully.

For example, the determinists themselves accept that belief in free will is a necessary "lie."

I'm pretty sure you're referring to compatibalism. LINK

Compatibalism is incoherent.

In any case, it is better to follow intuition before drawing extravagant logical conclusions.

How do you propose we resolve differences between conflicting intuitions?

Logic and reason, but never separated from intuition.

Logic and reason,
But never separated
From intuition.

                 - vieira


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How can you use logic to weigh conflicting AXIOMS?

Refuting the axioms, the truth is not conflictive.

How do you refute an AXIOM?

Everything that is not true is refutable leading to absurdity or contradiction. The way is to have a polemic methodology like Socrates, in which nothing is defended but seeks to lead to a contradiction in the results of the postulate.

Everything that is not true is refutable.

What about unfalsifiable claims?

For example, I claim to be feeling generally well today.

Can you determine if this is not true?

When you say,

...it is better to follow intuition before drawing extravagant logical conclusions.

Do you perhaps mean, "it is better (if not critical) to identify your primary AXIOMS before drawing extravagant logical conclusions."?

It could be said, although I believe that intuitive knowledge is by nature usually accurate. Like ockham's razor.

One person intuitively believes (human caused) climate change is true.

One person intuitively believes (human caused) climate change is false.

Intuition is only as reliable as the AXIOMS it's (either consciously or subconsciously) based on.

Perhaps we understand by intuition two different things. Although I also use it with the meaning that you use it, in this case by the word intuition I mean the knowledge that is perceived directly.

No one is able to intuit the climate change directly, so they use scientific or logical explanations.

I mean the knowledge that is perceived directly.

I call this, "gnosis" (private, personal, experiential, qualitative) which is functionally indistinguishable from opinion, hypothesis, and pure imagination.

Personal experience =/= reliable (quantifiable, verifiable) scientific data.

An interesting exchange here.

I call this, "gnosis" (private, personal, experiential, qualitative) which is functionally indistinguishable from opinion, hypothesis, and pure imagination.

Because it is indistinguishable, doesn't it mean that a statement made by someone is believed one time and not believed another time, that it is ultimately about trust? And can I only establish trust if I am able to reveal an interface on the experiential level that the other person can recognize as similar? In doing so, he must trust that I share this experience in the sense of an approach to understanding with him, not in the sense of overt or covert enmity or aversion.

And can I only establish trust if I am able to reveal an interface on the experiential level that the other person can recognize as similar?

Eh, but the problem here is that con-artists are masters at this.

The whole (experiential trust) thing is smoke and mirrors and Barnum Statements (Qualia).

There is precious little Quanta (empirical data) to help you keep your bearings.

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