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RE: OBEY YOUR MASTERS
Good question! @joeyarnoldvn reminds me on one, because I can see that the human condition is the problem, not. Here comes an axiom I got reminded to yesterday by courtesy of Claude Bernard. "The germ is nothing, the milieu is everything." (that's a machine translation; there might be some more appropriate out there)
Another thing that comes to my mind is, I don't have Axioms. And I am not an Axiom either. Don't! That's an axiom already, right? And I don't mean to contradict myself. I just wanted to stress the concept of property here. Of happiness. I am more in favor of principled approaches. And you probably know what I'm talking about. Probably not.
And sure, there's more.
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So you're +proPROPERTY and +proHAPPINESS.
I'm guessing that's HUMAN happiness so we seem to agree on the +proHUMAN.
And since property rights are a logical extension of personal sovereignty, that also seems to be covered by +proHUMAN.
Well, I don't see "property rights" being a logical extension of personal sovereignty for any case. Certainly a rhetorical extension. As in "Who is allowed to build a fence around XY? And allowed by whom?" While XY can be lots of things like sources of water, meadow lands et cetera, all addressing territory. Yes, I agree, that some territory might be fenced, yet not as a logical extension of someone's sovereignty.
Unfortunately this is something that is seldomly addressed by freedom loving people. There's put rhetoric often to be logic while it's not. Some is logic, yes. But some is not. Where's the grey line?
Personal Sovereignty begins with,
(1) I have the right to protect my body (my clothes and my possessions).
(2) I have the right to protect my family and close friends.
(3) I have the right to protect my home (land).
Yes, I like to say: I have a right to be an a..hole. That's why I logically state that all this is rhetoric. People organize empires from this "logic". That leads us to nowhere other then where we already are. Don't you think? !invest_vote !BEER !COFFEEA
Are you drawing some sort of bright line between "rhetoric" and "logic"?
It's my understanding that good rhetoric is based on sound logic.
Are you comparing "rhetoric" to "pure opinion"?
Well, no. All I want to state is that this logic is not sound in my opinion. True, there is no thing like drawing lines between logic, rhetoric, opinion. Let's put the "grey line", as I phrased it, to be more of a grey area. While you ask, I don't think we gain anything here when we draw lines.
You see, first they talk "personal sovereignty", and then it's family, home land, buildings, jobs, income, ...
That's where we are.
What is protection? Shooting other people? Taxation? What about creativity?!
Well, why not take a side glance to "progress"?
I'm getting lost here anyway. There are a lot of axioms around. That's when I want to put this documentary into perspective and see what we gain. https://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/schooling-the-world-2010/
Where does "personal sovereignty" end?
I agree this is a horrific tragedy.
It is also in direct violation of my +proFAMILY AXIOM.
Parents and children should NEVER be forcibly separated.
It is also in direct violation of my +proHUMAN AXIOM.
Humans should NEVER be forcibly removed from their homes.
I'm not sure why you seem to think "personal sovereignty" means, "take everyone else's stuff".
That's actually a direct violation of both principles.
Yes it is. I don't think it means "take everyone else's stuff". From straight logic I ask "When is it moral to refrain some stuff from other's and consider it one's own?" or "When is it ok to build fences?" It certainly don't see a problem with (1) body and (2) family. But I see plenty with (3) land. Might have to do with domestication. With all this said, property and domestication looks like a highly dangerous mix. !invest_vote
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