Private Messaging on Steem and eSteem...
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8 years ago in #esteem by good-karma (76)
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I will let the other party talk and talk giving them my reply every 10 minutes or so! (just kidding)
I think too that option 5 is the most elegant solution for the reasons you already mentioned.
PS Make it sense when I sent 5 messages to somebody for example, before he replies, that I get from him $0.005 SBD on his next reply to keep the real balance between us exactly as before the conversation started? So at the end of the conversation our SBD/STEEM balances are unaffected! ( -/+ 0.001 SBD/STEEM)
We had some conversation at Oslo Hackathon with @noisy about this. His suggestion was to pay for private messages in order to get your message higher priority. This would also solve spam attack! Whale would receive 100+ messages per day from users who wishes to get upvote or attention, and if you want to get your message higher priority or friend of that user, you would do so by sending higher amount and he would see your message as higher priority and can choose to reply you by sending back same amount or none... :))
A mute button would not solve that?
When you ask for money it is a minus...
It is already a "problem" you must have at least a couple of cents to start a conversation ...
Maybe a solution would be if new accounts get added to their SP $0.01 -$0.1 SBDs from steemit.inc (?)...
Probably, NOTE: I am not suggesting using/implementing above technique, but it is one possible implementation of it.
For messaging, it can be strictly 0.001 STEEM/SBD
I had an idea way back that i posted. If we had a convention for posting PGP public keys and messages, it would work just to stick them on the blockchain as posts. In fact, i suppose you could store a pgp public key in JSON metadata
It seems like it would be easy to write something that would look for a pgp public key in your user metadata, then post a pgp encrypted post to a special tag that isnt on global feeds
here is the post from five months ago... of course, you get the problem that this method would increase traffic, Especially if everyone had their own post thread for an inbox, with comments as messages, it seems like it could work.
https://steemit.com/steem/@sigmajin/an-idea-for-tagging-conventions-to-allow-for-sending-and-recieving-private-messages
So, for example,if everyone had a key in steemit.com/pgp/@xxx/pgp (where XXX is their username) and had a post on steemit.com/inbox/@xxx/inbox where messages were posted as replies, it would be fairly easy to send and recieve encrypted messages.
Of course, this would require everyone to use PGP... but they should be doing that anyway, and there are plugins that make it relatively painless, at least for chrome.
And it would require everyone to get on board with the basic tagging conventions.
Incidentally, another advantage of this is that once users post their pgp public key, as long as they have access to their keypair, they can demonstrate their steem identity on any other platform, without using their steem credentials
i agree there are more in-depth reflections to be made on this PM topic, but my own preference goes for the direction where you can delete your messages..
that's an additional issue to consider with onchain solutions ;)
You are right, ability to
delete/editmessages is also one of the feature that I think Skype, Rocket.chat, Slack, etc. services implemented because of the demand. But Facebook Messages doesn't have that, afaik. :) So it depends what purpose PM play role or is mostly considered for using. If you cannot edit/delete message then you would have different mindset about PMs and you wouldn't write something that you might regret later on, just like here on comments/posts :)one of PM usage will be for the marketplace
because PM+Escrow = ability to start one..
For me it's not acceptable to send only message that we "could not regret later on"
it can sometimes involve ur personal data/information that you need to send to someone.
It can be encrypted, but also deleted if or once you decide its not useful to have it on database anymore.
still have mixed feelings on this ;) but i totally hear ur solutions as well
exactly, that's why I have started this post to start discussions on topic and usage of PMs... ;)
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very interesting discussions, I like the #5 solution, didn't even know about that possibility. Also agree that something in app is important, many don't care where it is stored (ext db or on the blockchain) but convenience of in app is best. not sure really as I've never been a big private messager but interesting topic, non the less and I love the dicussions and development of more tools on steemit.
For the average user, messaging is big deal and that's part of any social platform. And also you are right about
many don't care where it is storedbut some do. And 3rd party chat frameworks are always difficult to deeply integrate with app.What would separate the encryption STEEM uses vs WhatsApp? - what would make this platform better than WhatsApp or something similar for encrypted communications?
edit: Thank you for comment!
I think, the fact that it is decentralized, your data is not in control by some company. How would you make sure that whatsapp servers are secure?
Immutability, you can pretty much make contracts and refer back to it in case of disputes. As I mentioned there is an argument can be made, if it is immutable, if data is stored on blockchain forever then How do you make sure that encryption will not be broken in future? I think if we have confidential transactions that would solve this issue as well.
Encryption itself probably will be similar, with multiple choices.
It's not about the encryption. WhatsApp has good encryption. However, users don't ask for a chat app. They have many. They ask for built-in chat app. That would be the main difference for many users.
The extra is that nobody could cancel, delete your account or messages, and the blockchain has no TOS like WhatsApp has.
If you spell out the protocol, nobody can complain. It should be built-in as should voip; imagine the volume upside!
Built in VoIP would be something indeed...
I have been trying to identify any improvements for eSteem that I could recommend and think I finally found one that's been kinda bugging me.
When you are mentioned by another user, you get an eSteem notification letting you know. If you swipe that notification it doesn't take you to where you were mentioned, just to the new page. Am I doing something wrong here, or is this intended?
Just trying to contribute because eSteem has been very cool.
Thank you for comment, appreciate the feedback!
When you are mentioned, you get notification
@user mentioned you in Post/Commentwhen you tap/open it, it should open that specific post/comment. If not working, which means there is an issue. Callback was working fine earlier, but I suppose it started to give issue again. Are you on Android or iOS?iOS and I will keep an eye on that through the work day. Maybe it worked and I was wrong. I'll update here :)
thanks @prufarchy for clarifying... I will check that by next iOS update...
Of course now that I've said it, it just worked :/
I was also wondering if I may be getting multiple notifications about being mentioned. I had like 3 from klye but didn't see 3 mentions... okay time to go to work :)
ok :)
You get notification again in case they edit their comment/post multiple times.
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Hi i have a implementation on chain in beta but ready for use, here my announcement https://steemit.com/steemit/@ektorcaba/new-steem-private-messages-spm ;)