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RE: The Curation and Engagement Leagues ๐ - STEEM prizes & steem-bounty available! ๐
A stunner, congratulations @smithlabs. @janton congrats to you still keeping the candle burning along with @glenalbrethsen. As for myself, I have been going through a comment funk, and well playing maybe a little bit to much steemmonsters, but mostly just a comment funk. At least I managed to hang on the chart, barely. Two places from the bottom, I still hope to get back to commenting soon, just have been in a funk I guess.
It is nice to see almost everyone else still up in the upper thirties.Hard spots to hold, and really take an effort, so to all of you congratulations for keeping people engaged and letting them know you appreciate the work and effort they put out.
Is this a @steemmonsters funk, or is there more too it?
Always more to it than just one thing. Steemmonsters takes a little bit of time away, but really not much. A lot of it I think has to do with the changing philosophy of Steem.io and the people that control steemit. The only way for a new user to get any traction in steemit is to get very very lucky. Then they need to know how to avoid those that downvote with out a thought as to the consequences of their actions on a new account that may not even be able to say anything back for three days, and just give up on steemit. Right now with the course that steemit is on all I can see is it falling off the deep end.
I know I may get over this outlook, but then again I may not. I learned the other day that people that cast and throw a 1% vote at zero dollar value and still get a curation reward. Some info from steemworld:
Different account:
Just a bit of frustration at reality I guess. As far back as I could look (about the last 100 votes on each account), the given vote value was Zero
The RC system is severely broken. It is basically a tax to pay for the cost and upkeep of the system, like any tax it will just keep going up. People see that the RC system is fair and balanced, I do not. Is there a single person over 5000SP that has even come close to seeing their RC percentage down in the 80% range, not likely. If they really want to "charge" people then they need to charge the larger accounts a larger percentage. Call it a communist or socialist attitude if people want to, but name calling is not going to change the facts. The lowest my RC has ever dipped was to 97%. I have never seen where I could not make less than 100 votes, 100 comments, and 100 transactions.
All the talk and post over the last 4 days about the netcoins vote, was in my opinion a total and complete waste of space, and in reality is going to do nothing to help steemit. It did and will help netcoins because now they have another 3000 plus valid email accounts to sell to their "third Party" vendors. (Spam).
So, I am very frustrated at steemit an the steemit environment right now, and this is part of my lack of engagement. I hope I will become less frustrated over the next couple of weeks, and will try to stay engaged and see what comes out of steemfest. Last year at this time with the upcoming steemfest things were much more optimistic, this year for me anyways, not so much.
@bashadow, I'm not sure if I understand correctly. Are you sure those users are not members of a curator team?
The value of the vote they give is worth zero, that means the person they give a vote to recieves zero steem/sbd from them. It does not matter if they are part of a curation team or trail. The point is they take rewards without giving anything to the content creator, and they take part of the other curator's rewards.
Example: you find a post you like, thought it was great and gave it a vote at 60% so they can get a $0.020 payout just above the dust level threshold. If no one else votes you are going to get all the curation reward. Now the above zero value voting person comes along behind you and cast a vote, at zero value. You no longer get all the curation reward, you are now sharing that portion with an individual that gave nothing of value to the payout or the content creator, thus raising the level of curation reward you would have received had they gave a vote with some value to it.
Granted it is likely only $0.001 reward they are taking away from you but that is a $0.001 from a potential of 500 votes in 7 days that you cast, it adds up. I, like everyone else started out with hundreds of those tiny rewards and look at where we are today.
This is still a foggy territory for me, I need to learn more. Do you have any reference where I can look these thing up?
I am not going to give the name of the account I found those under. there are no official references available for steemit. I could be looking at their account all wrong, but I was not going to spend time looking back past 100 entries to see if their vote ever had a value to it. steemworld gives the numbers to the three digits. 100 zero value votes, and a good curation set of rewards, no author rewards on the account. I was not going to check on each and every vote they cast (7799 upvotes), to see if they were all zero value votes.
Hold on, you misunderstood me. I was not asking for the name of those accounts. I was asking if you have a link where I can check how the reward pool is distributed. But never mind. Forget I asked anything. have a good day.
Hey, @bashadow.
re: curation rewards for zero upvote
A trip down the rabbit hole, eh?
Just for the record, steemworld goes out to five decimals now, but you have to set it to that. I have mine set at four. For what it's worth, if you go to settings under the view tab, that's where you can change it. There are times where there is a value beyond the three decimals, but I couldn't tell you if that's happening in this particular instance. If they still have no value out to five, then that's a pretty big bug in my estimation.
re: RCs
I haven't seen a lot of it, mostly in comments, but there does appear to be a bubble around many who are of higher SP. And I'd say that even down into the 3000 SP range doesn't have to worry about it so much, maybe even less. I'm sitting at just over 4000, and I don't often see it drop below 100%.
There's supposed to be some RC changes made this week (version 20.6) that at least a few people think will help out. The fact they changed to 20.5 and even made it possible for low SP to function at all is a step in the right direction. The problem is, it's not the long term solution. There's supposed to be a meeting of the minds going on between the community, the witnesses and Steemit Inc, but if one has started, I've not been able to find any information on it yet, and so far, the couple of times I've asked about it has gone unanswered.
I have bounced back and forth on this issue about RCs. I'm sure I would be more frustrated about it if the limitations were happening to me, but I also believe I would still find it to be fair, in the sense that this all needs to be paid for somehow. Whether the current allocations or payment structure is fair or not, I think it definitely needs to be discussed and a solution arrived at, because there will be no growth without newcomers who don't have a lot to invest. At least not as far as the social side of the platform is concerned.
At the same time, I can't begrudge those who have invested in STEEM (I have, many have). I didn't do it for the RCsโhad no idea that would even happen, let alone investing would help against it. I did it because I didn't want to leave dust votes. Funny how that works, isn't it?
I guess I'm kind of at a point now where I don't know what else to do but do what I can. I can't solve all the problems here. I'm not perfect at solving my own. i don't really trust that they will be solved, since i don't have a clear understanding of what the objective is regarding the social site, other than it apparently takes a backseat to blockchain development (which I'm okay with) SMTs (which I'm at best on the fence about but leaning to not so crazy about), and now Ned announces a whole new project based on Communities. So, lots going on, after months of nothing it seems like, and now we're in the consequences of the aftermath. We either go with it, or we don't. Not doing anything here doesn't really help those who are limited, and it doesn't really help us, either. That's basically where I'm at, while fighting off the funk that still wants to linger.
re: netcoins
I voted. I voted four times. I wasn't happy about giving up an email to do it, but it's a public email that I basically clear junk mail out of on a daily basis. I voted because unless netcoins is a total and complete sham, every little bit helps, since we have no marketing plan to speak of other than the youtube charlatans and a lot of negative press. I don't know that I saw it as a desperation move, just a chance for me personally to try to get STEEM more name recognition. I can understand you and everyone else not doing itโI also feel it's a shame that we can't ever seem to agree on what would be worth rallying around. If we can't get on board with smaller things, how in the world are we going to do it on the bigger things.
So, my two cents, for what it's worth. I don't know much about STEEMfests or what's come out of them, but if they're like other gatherings I've been to, there will be plenty of festivities, a lot of talk and morale boosting, and then everyone will go back to their lives and progress on anything there will be slow if not non-existent. Maybe STEEMfest is the exception. We can only hope. :)
Ref netcoins I actually did vote, and used my spam email account to do it with, the one I just do not care about, 90% of the emails are spam anyways, so whats a few more. As to it helping steem price, we just have to wait and see.
About RC's good they are fixing it, It is for me still an issue with the steem policy of/philosophy on the welcome to steem.io page. How screwed and sideways are the witnesses on this issue? pretty sideways. A few of them have no clue how much a new users needs SP wise to be a normal everyday user of steemit and the steem blockchain. It does not take much only 50SP and you can make your recommended 10 daily votes, and ten comments, and a couple of post. When I first started on steemit this is what I was told you need to do to get anywhere only they recommended 4 post a day. I do not think I have ever been able to put out four post in one day, let alone I have only managed one post a day for 7 days in a row twice.
I looked at @ned's post, so even though he says he is still going to be ceo of steemit and the new company:
I do not see steemit as having a very long life.
edit: I checked out to five spaces I did not know about the five decimals, but most of the votes are $0.00023-$0.00032 value, I don't know at what point the votes are rounded for dust, but these will get a person a curation reward. Not going to concern myself with it anymore.
re: Steemit
The app may not, if that's what you mean. It's functional enough, but if they decide not to support it anymore, there's still Busy, Steempeak (which I actually prefer for making posts), and the sugarsteem UI that theuxyeti has been working on for months now. And there's the others I've heard of but yet to use.
re: four posts, what it takes
I've never managed more than three in a day, and I can't say that they were some of my better posts, either. They were timely, I think, but not the kind where I took two or three hours to write and polish. At this stage, I'm lucky to get one a day out because I'm trying to comment as much as I do.
And the reason for that is, before I joined the engagement league, I was ready to give up. This was way back toward the end of March. Things just weren't happening, and I was basically blaming it on STEEM. Then I joined and saw what others were doing and suddenly realized, I wasn't dong hardly anything. The bar was higher than what I thought it was.
So, I agree totally with your assessment. 10 comments or whatever it is a day is not enough for a new user who really wants to get going here. Posts aren't going to make any difference if no one knows you're here, and the only way they know you are (without buying votes) is to go out and comment. And comment more into the 20-30 comments daily range, minimum. I really didn't start seeing progress until I hit the 50-60 comments a day.
That part definitely needs to be shored up. I don't know what the proper ratio would be, but a flat tax (for lack of a better term) would seem to be appropriate. Those of us with more RCs would pay more and those of us with less would pay less. The question is, with so many newcomers and so few Minnows on up in comparison, what's going to be the proper ratio, and just how can roughly 15% of the community help support the other 85%? Especially when Steemit holds the largest stakes in at least three different accounts, if not four, and that's not including ned's own personal account.
And that's the ratio now. If we don't have more stake coming in along with those starting out with nothing, that ratio is going to change very quickly, or else inactivity is going to continue at high rates.
re: netcoins.
Sorry. Didn't mean to imply you didn't if you did. It sounded like you weren't happy with the whole idea. I know I wasn't thrilled with giving them an email, either, but like you, I gave them an email that only use for online signups of some kind.
Go.. keep playing with the monsters this week @bashadow๐๐๐ I need to climb up a bit higher .. LOL.. it's a bit weird I haven't encountered your comments anywhere lately
I have not been commenting much lately, it will be a long time before I make it back into the top ten.
With the monsters tournament too ๐ yes I think it would be a surprise too. Ypu're too busy .. and the winter is coming
Hey, @bashadow.
Thanks for the shout out. Not an effort I'm particularly happy with, but it is what it is, I guess, and so we move onto the next week and see what happens.
I understand about the funk. It's happened to me four or five times, now, if I'm counting right. This last one was aided by my wife's surgery, but it lasted almost six weeks.
I've got more to say about it, but I'll leave it for the reply on the comment where you went into specifics about yours.
I'm glad you made the list regardless. It is, I believe, good to be seen. :)