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This is just an idea but is it possible that none of our mind's are righteous @lordless.exile.. none.. not even 1?
This is just an idea but is it possible that none of our mind's are righteous @lordless.exile.. none.. not even 1?
Well I think it depends on what righteous truly means. If it means making the right choices every time, then probably none of us are righteous. If it means doing our best to try and make the right choices, then there may be a handful out there.
But I would sooner go with your idea, that there is not one righteous among us. I think that Jesus is an example of what a single person can become should they ever live up to their true potential and walk in complete righteousness. So while I don't think any living are likely to be righteous now, I do indeed think that each and every one of us has the potential to be.
If you were to do the things Christ told his followers and the bystanders to do:
I think you'd find that the mind of Christ was no different from ours.. at least if the version of events is taken literally.
He had mastered Faith to the extent that he realized his experiences were the result of his Greatest Desire & Greatest Belief and might have been good at Mindfulness, but judging by the literal version of events, he hadn't mastered and may not have even been aware of:
I think it's simpler than that. It's just;
Do unto others what you'd have them do unto you.
This golden rule encapsulates all that is necessary to be righteous in my opinion, and if we all lived by it, then the world would be far, far better.
I am not so sure that I agree with your definitions of self-realisation or enlightenment. Perhaps he hadn't mastered these things because they aren't a thing, or, perhaps he had mastered them but defined them in such a different way, that to you, it seems he had not.
It is my belief that Jesus is a representation, whether an actual being who lived or not, of a human being who has lived up to their full potential.
For me, Jesus Christ, historical or not represents a human mind that lived to it's full potential and that is a mastery over Faith which ultimately results in the creation of an equal amount of Enjoyment & Hardship (sometimes separated over time), hence his idea of calling forth a Heaven with an equal opposite called Hell.
If a person did what he told his disciples and others to do they would experience what he did and ultimately realize the folly in experiencing Heaven only to create Hell as well.
You missed one thing besides the Golden Rule.. the other important one he said was to "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind & soul" and the people that do (or did) will follow all of his advice to the T or at least close to it.
The one thing I didn't do was gouge out my eyes but I guess I did enough to understand what he was referring to.
There are also different descriptions as to what he was referring to in different books so each Gospel and each book should be understood by itself with some instances of scriptures showing a varience in descriptions as well.
I also think that some people might experience guilt while they act.. but IMO every person's Mind acts in a way that it THINKS is right @lordless.exile.
So if we use your definition of righteousness @lordless.exile, every single mind is righteous from the worst to the "best".
Having said that.. these are just thoughts.
I think your comment is rather self-defeating. One doesn't feel guilt when they think they're acting in accordance with what is right and good. Guilt is an emotion we feel when we know that what we have done is wrong.
Excluding of course Jesus, I do not believe that I know anyone at all, not myself or even anyone I have ever read about or observed on a TV screen, thinks that every decision they make is right. I also don't believe that you do, considering your opening message to me was expressing a thought that perhaps none of us are righteous.
Perhaps it is me who was unclear of my definition of righteous. To clarify, I would define it as follows.
Righteousness is making all your choices based upon what you believe is best for every sentient being capable of experiencing suffering.
This means that making choices that benefit ourselves and the ones we love, at the expense of the larger community of humans and even animals, is not righteous, and this, I believe, is why we struggle so much with it.
The tendency of the Self (Mind) is self preservation and self-interest so it will ultimately act in it's own interests, including it's interest in "Going to Heaven" and it's interest in considering ITSELF righteous (or better than "others".
The only way to truly lose self interest and Prevent, Reduce & Eliminate the suffering our mind's cause involves two things:
Self-realization:
Enlightenment:
I have experienced Self-realization / the "death" and disappearance of my mind while remaining conscious but I haven't mastered it since my mind was reborn and reappeared after about a minute but I understand that my mind is just a thought and that my self is just a thought since I witnessed the disappearance of all thoughts in my consciousness, including the thought that I have a self.
I also understand that all enjoyment is actually paid in an equal amount of hardship, even if it is not immediately obvious.
I am not interested in thoughts, ideas or experiences but the Prevention, Reduction and elimination of suffering:
Forgive me but I agree with almost nothing you've said, but you've worded it in a manner that suggests to you they're not even opinions but established facts. So, I am not sure how fruitful a conversation between the two of us would be.
I tend to think that "Facts" are opinions and that facts and opinions both change - this idea is most obvious when we look up the evolution of "facts".
Sometimes when two people interact they both understand where the other person is coming from.
Sorry for sharing ideas that you don't agree with and don't value. Have a good day / night @lordless.exile.
I hope that you edited your comments to express less definitive language because you appreciated what I said, and not for any of the other reasons I suspect.
You needn't apologise. I value all ideas. I have just already thought about the ones you presented to me in great depth and found that they don't align with my current perspective on the universe.
Have a great day/night.
I edit all of my comments and posts often and I actually don't consider myself a good writer as much as I consider myself a decent re-writer - and I'm actually not good at writing first drafts.
Most of it has to do with me being a strong extrovert which means that I think as I type, write and talk and that means almost everything I initially write isn't completely thought out well until I edit it.
My tactic is writing rough drafts on Steemit via comments and then I publish a better version as a post before only publishing my best work on my blog:
An updated version of the comment I sent you is posted on:
https://www.humanist.xyz/topics/chrisrice/tokenbb-topic-the-tendency-of-the-self-1559132003199
I am planning on making this second site a website for everyone since I think all of us are Humanists to the extent that we all care for at least one human.. ourselves.
It is my attempt to take back the monopoly that atheists seem to have over the word "Humanist" since I feel it is unfair for theists and agnostics.
MORE INFO:
I tend to think that all words, thoughts and ideas are equally true and false in one sense (since there is always more than one way to interpret a statement) and that our words, thoughts and ideas are actually nothing more than our own inventions and fabrications in another sense.. so it is easy to walk back all of my assertions since I actually don't believe words, thoughts or ideas represent the absolute Truth (Reality / God).
Thank you for being patient with me. Your communication and kindness is actually good. If I end up publishing a final draft of my post I'll link to your Steemit profile in the post on my blog 😀✌️
I tagged you here: @lordless.exile
https://steemit.com/philosophy/@chrisrice/the-tendency-of-the-self-mind
I intend to be good at listening to other people but I struggle to listen when I discuss topics I am still passionate about (Religion / Spirituality / Investing / Economics / Geopolitics) but I suspect that I will eventually be dispassionate about those topics enough to come acrossed and actually be a friend, not foe @lordless.exile.
I believe I have good intentions but I am not always good at communicating them.
Sorry again if my use of words left a bad taste in your mouth and it just goes to show that I have yet to master Mindfulness.. among the other practices that I am working to master.
Thanks again for being kind 😐✌️