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RE: NEW PEOPLE: How to deal with jerks that love to censor ideas they dislike...

in #downvote7 years ago

Downvoting should be linked to reputation not to Steem Power. It doesn't make sense that the people who have most money dominate downvoting system. One of these whales flagged me down today with his 11 accounts.
I would suggest that to flag down - you need 3 people with high reputation because reputation takes longer to build than power

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Actually reputation is very fast to build. All it takes is up votes from people with higher reputation than you. The higher your reputation gets the slower it increases because there are less and less people higher than you to vote for you.

Also reputation was a code thing implemented here on steemit. It is not actually used everywhere on the blockchain itself and a lot of the voting happens via command line, or other interfaces to the blockchain.

As I stated trying to fix it with code is not EASY or people would have done it already. It is also easy to get around code solutions. Person could create alt accounts... build up reputation then power up that account and be right back where we are.

In most cases code is not the solution. This is why I put so much emphasis on community action.

True, but building reputation for a few accounts takes more time than building Power.

Actually it doesn't. You can gain a reputation very quickly.

I have to say I can't increase my rep, I've been on 62 since trump was elected :)

Now if you have moved on from agreeing with my current position of saying flagging should be binned, what is an example of something that flagging is essential to prevent?

It's often said it's needed to stop plagiarism, but it doesn't stop plagiarism - Steemit is full of copied content - although it doesn't make much $ because hardly anyone upvotes it.

And same with spam - it certainly doesn't stop that - so apart from control and revenge, what does flagging achieve?

I know I'm following in your footsteps miles behind, but at this point I think flagging totally sucks, and I've been on Steemit almost a year.

what is an example of something that flagging is essential to prevent?

Do you recall the time when 1 out of 10 posts were not spam and the rest was all bot spam? It only lasted a week or two, and @cheetah and others were trying to fight it with no luck. They were using the down vote on this. The reputation system was implemented so those fighting it could be effective without being sybil attacked by bots. After that the vast majority of that spam was gone.

You can't eliminate ANYTHING completely. You can make it a hell of a lot better. There is still a ton of spam being removed pretty regularly. Follow Steemcleaners or have a chat with @anyx who made @cheetah for current stats.

Another thing it is currently needed for is people who do not tag NSFW things such as graphic blow job or sex initial image and it shows up in everyone's feed. We want to remove that from the feed as quickly as we can. There are children and people who either should not be forced to see that, or at least should have the option.

So does it STOP it? No. Yet this is true of reality too. It does help.

The problem is that it can be abused, but even the amount it is abused I'd contend is lower here than on social media platforms that also have it.

"people who do not tag NSFW things such as graphic blow job or sex initial image and it shows up in everyone's feed"

Thanks, that a really good point - on my recent post about flagging not a single person came up with any good arguments like that for flagging!

The spam part is still a mystery because the whole of Steemit is full of spam comments, and they are not flagged. I think if people said flagging prevented porn rather that spam it would make a lot more sense.

This looks like an example of flagging not working:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@utfull/attention-steemit-spam-comments-are-now-getting-huge-upvotes

I remember when NSFW was first set up a bunch of people were freaking out, but although I've always had it set to show, I've barely ever encountered any!

I did post one myself once as a bit of a joke

The spam part is still a mystery because the whole of Steemit is full of spam comments, and they are not flagged.

Spam comments are trickier to police. The spam that most people fight is the posts themselves.

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