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If we aren't optimistic about being able to affect the future, why try?

well @tarazkp .. I don't consider the moves being taken as wise or needed. Does appear that like it or not they will be happening so while I'll be willing to see how things shake out ... optimism on my part is a stretch too far. I have other places to put my optimism energy. So, we'll just watch yours instead LOL.

A shake up is needed at the very least here.

agreed but I think we have different opinions how that should look and in what area :)

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