oh you should definitely revisit it. Permaculture will be one of the big uplifts of the economic revolution. It will eventually render huge acres of farmland surplus to requirement. It has long been my dream to develop a permaculture lifestyle.. alas at the moment it's just not possible, but perhaps if the Gods are kind, I would like to do it, write about it and also document it as a series of films for tv / internet.. Thanks for your response. I'm really pleased it's re-ignited the spark in you. that's a pleasant surprise for me ! (there are whole abandoned villages in Northern Spain) available for such a project ! you can buy one for the price of a 1bed flat in a large city. @dana-edwards post about UBI is right up my street too.. good luck pegaus, may your wings take you to where you wish to be ! (following)