Talk to the Hand: Q&A with 'Hidden-Hand', Illuminati(?) and 'Spokesperson' for the 'Bloodlines'.

We 'know', or at least strongly suspect, that there are shadowy behind-the-scenes figures controlling and manipulating the ostensible and discernible outlets of power in this world we call 'ours'. There is a growing awareness of organisations and societies and hidden agendas that have, over centuries, integrated their control-systems into the fabric of human society and thought. These 'bodies' have managed to evade attention of the general masses by staying out of sight and by getting 'inferior' others to front the show.

The mainstream 'believe', and would have us believe, that the visible figureheads of society – politicians, industry 'leaders', banksters etc, are the ones to direct questions and complaints to, as if they were the ones with power. The puppets can only dance to the tune of course, they have no influence over the music. There is a growing awareness of the 'puppet masters', of presence behind and beyond appearances; but the form is shadowy, details are slippery and there is little to focus on. The convenient label of dismissal is 'conspiracy'.

But what IF...?

It does seem possible to fit scattered pieces of the puzzle together and draw a certain picture of what lies beyond. Here the source may the POV of the 'victim' of power – Donald Marshall, @kida, Cathy O'Brien and many more who wish to tell the world what they have seen and experienced as victims from the inside. By recounting their experiences, painfully reconstructed through the psychotherapeutic and healing process, they present detailed but fragmented glimpses into aspects of the hidden.

Can we also get a view from 'above'? The big hats in their control towers looking down, what is their perspective? Is it coherent or is it a mess? Who can one approach in this regard and ask “Hey Mista Shadowy Figa, can you please tell me what the fuck is going on behind the scenes? What is the nature of the game of life and where do you fit in? What's your story and (why) are you doing all this shit? Does anything rhyme, is there a reason?"

Who will provide such a perspective? And if they ever did, could it possibly be for real?

Hey hang on a min @barge! Are you saying that there may be someone who can provide a perspective – from the inside – of the dynamics and inner philosophical workings of the MATRIX, the psyche of the hidden powers that lurk? Do you mean a Mr/Mrs Illuminati-FAQ, so to speak?

Yes folks, I am and I do 😎 ! As for authenticity, well, you'll have to judge for yourselves – it's not a short read either! Let me not jump ahead, bear with me please, and consider the following post, which appeared on 18 October 2008, on the website www.abovetopsecret in a new forum discussion thread by a user named Hidden-Hand, entitled "Window of Opportunity"

I am a generational member of a Ruling Bloodline Family.

Every so often, as per the directives of the Law of our Creator, a brief window of opportunity opens, whereby a select handful of our Family are required to make communication with our subjects, and offer you the chance to ask us any questions you would like answered.

I am double-bound in this duty. It is required of me by The Law of our Creator to offer this opportunity to you at this time, though I am also bound by the Law of (planetary) Free Will and by Family Oaths, that there is only so much I am able to say.

Rules define life in games.

If you wish to participate, here they are:
1). I will afford you courtesy and respect in the manner I address you, and I expect the same from you in reciprocation.
2). I will decide whether or not I am either willing or permitted to answer your question. If your question is not answered, it is either because I cannot disclose it, or because I considered your question was lacking in one or more of the following: respect, courtesy, intelligence, decency, or that it was otherwise unworthy of being dignified with a response.
3). That you agree to treat this potential dialogue with an aspect of "provisional faith". In practice, this means that rather than impeding the flow of information with crass comments of disbelief or petty name calling, my participation here requires of you that you discourse with me under "suspended judgment". In other words, wait until the process is complete, before deciding for yourself as to the content of truth and knowledge imparted herein.
4). That you formulate your questions intelligently. My time is limited. I do not want to waste it by having to trawl through pointless, futile, insensible or disrespectful questions, therefore I will answer the questions I feel are most deserving of a response, during the time that I have available. Use the time we have wisely.

If any of the above conditions are breached, I reserve the right to terminate our discourse forthwith, if I so choose.

That being said, I will attempt to answer your questions as honestly and openly as is permissible for me. I will check back and respond as time allows.

Utterly fascinating right?

A WTF moment? It is for many on the forum in which this post appears, who respond with disbelief and scorn. However, there are those that play along in the spirit of Hidden-Hand's opening statement, and he/she responds in kind. The dialogue that follows paints a picture from a very 'high' perspective indeed.

The back and forth goes on for page after page, around 10 days of interaction. HH's last series of entries starts around page 14, when he/she stops taking any new questions, but continues to answer the backlog for a further few pages. The discussion amongst forum members carries on till this day (page 71, where someone said on 9 April 2018: "He predicted Bitcoin ("the new currency") spot on" :D) – certainly I was hooked when I came across it 3 years ago and spent some days reading through it. I am not going to analyse it, attempt to interpret it or try and promote it as authentic - I do not 'know' if it is 'authentic'. A lot of it resonates with me as 'truthful', and the content of discussion is without doubt utterly fascinating, that's about all I can say! I do have a couple of observations/opinions:

• Hidden-Hand's style and content seems to have a very high quality of erudition and consistency about it. This 'convincing' presentation may be a decoy, but I do not think so. I find there to be a very high level of intelligence and awareness expressed; also, intriguingly, 'sincerity' and 'integrity'.
• what Hidden-Hand has to say resonated with me when I read it – ie the presentation of how and why things are set up the way they are. I got to really like HH, and I found myself with feelings of warmth, empathy, compassion; especially towards the end. HH presents him/herself as a being who is ultimately in service-to-others, but who has taken on the role of 'negative orientation ('darkness'), with an awareness of the consequences of doing so, in order to serve others and to assist in raising collective consciousness. This sounds incredible, yet HH's presentation came across as very credible to me.

Here's what illuminatinews.com has to say about the conversation:
"There are some points which makes him very believable; one being that the forum members he is communicating with make up pages after pages of random questions (as you can see in this article) and he answers them intelligently and precisely without the delay it would take for a person presenting a hoax to come up with them. This is also what the forum members notice. And he is consistent! Many of the questions are very good, deep, to the point and philosophical, and this guy (or woman, we don't know - this being claims not to be from this Earth), manages to reply on a very deep level, and his answers don't contradict each other. In an advanced and intelligent dialogue like this, it's very unlikely anyone would be able to do that without giving himself away at some point. You will most certainly notice he/she is sincere."

Intrigued? Examples of Q&A with Hidden-Hand:

I'll now present some examples of HH's responses and style. The copy and pasting below is rather lengthy and text-intensive, however, it will give a sense of the scope and depth of what Hidden-Hand has to say as well as the level of intelligence with which it is said. Besides, given the length of what I am recommending, I consider it fit to provide a rather large and varied samples of quoted text so you know what you're getting into :D.

[Question]: If one were to imagine a scale, perhaps as a triangle with Political, Religious and Corporate power at the three points, how would you categorize the power your family yields? (Balanced? Leaning more towards one or two than a third? Heavily favoring one of the three above the others?) And has that position shifted over time?
[Hidden-Hand]:
You need to first understand the structure of the Family. In the grand scheme of things, the Line is not as important as the House, the House, is not as important as the Family. The Family is all. No matter the House or Line, we are One (truly international) Family.
Imagine if you will, a body. A House would represent a vital organ or body part within the Body itself. Each part has an important role to play in the functioning of the whole, and to each of us, the 'whole' has our undivided loyalty. As I say, many lines, (far more than you are aware of), One Family.
Our realms of influence do not fit as comfortably into the three boxes of your triangle as you may imagine. There are six disciplines of training within the Family, and each member of the Family is schooled extensively in all of them, from early childhood. We all have an area of specialty, though we have experience in all spheres. The six spheres or 'schools' of learning are Military, Government, Spiritual, Scholarship, Leadership, and Sciences. In practice, out there on the 'stage' of public life, we hold key positions in all of these main areas of importance. With the addition of a complicit Media machine and ownership of your Financial establishments, all bases are covered.
^{(Reference: page 1)}

[Question]: Was the Rothschild lineage the organizer of the Illuminati in which Weishhaupt later formed?
[Hidden-Hand]:
No. Weishhaupt was just a puppet on a string. The Rothschild lineage (not it's original name) were the pre-eminent line 'closing the net of control' over Humanity. But even they, are a lesser line within The Family. As I have said, the names you know do not have the Real Power. They are part of the Family, but not an 'original' part.
^{(Reference: page 14)}

[Question]: How do you choose a Service to others path?
[Hidden-Hand]:
Be good to yourself. Cultivate a genuine Love for Life, and for Being. Be genuinely thankful to the Infinite Creator every day, for bringing you into Being, and for his bountiful provision. You have "survived" this far, have you not? You may not have everything you want, but you have everything you need, in order to complete that which you incarnated here to do. Give thanks for that. Show acknowledgment and gratitude to the Infinite Creator, for all that It has done, and is doing for you. It has given you the gift of Life Experience, and offered you the Free Will to decide what you will Create with it. Guard your thoughts carefully, as they are more powerful than you may imagine. When you are coming from a place of Love for, and Service to your Creator, a life of Service to others will become a natural outflowing from that. Always look for ways that you can be of assistance to your fellow Beings. Being of encouragement to others. Build people up, and do not put people down. Be a beacon of light, in a dark world.
Does that old lady need a hand with her shopping bags? How do you treat the homeless man who asks you for some spare change for the shelter? Ever heard about "Angels in disguise"? Look and see the Divine Spark in the Heart of all Beings. Treat them as you would like to be treated yourself, and as you would your Creator if he was speaking directly with you. "For even as you are doing it to the least of these, you are doing it unto me". The Law of Radiation and Attraction. Your thoughts, words, and actions return to you. Ultimately, cultivate a spirit of humble Gratitude. You won't go far wrong with that. Desire to Serve flows naturally from a grateful heart.
^{(Reference: page 4)}

[Question]: It is my understanding that all souls must eventually choose the positive path to unite with the infinite creator. If this is true, what is the justification of choosing the negative path now, for your people and us?
[Hidden-Hand]:
An astute question. Yes, all Souls eventually learn that Positive is the pathway which leads Home. But whilst incarnating in the 3rd Density, Negativity is still an important tool in your learning process. It teaches you "other than". As I said earlier, it is up to you how you use the tools we have given you. Do you respond to Negativity with more Negativity? Has fighting fire with fire ever worked for you? Or do you choose to see the Negativity as the tool that it is, and recognize that it is offering you an opportunity? I will honour your Free Will to think and discover for yourself what that opportunity is.
^{(Reference: page 4)}

[Question]: I have always been very confused and not clear on the subject of "god", having been tossed around from religion to religion from my parents it is hard to discern which "god" to believe or have faith in. Should I keep on having faith in the fact that the world around me is "god" and that there is not one particular being that deserves this faith?
[Hidden-Hand]:
Religion is either actually created, or at very least, heavily influenced by us. There is no such things as "god". "God" is a human concept, which is a misunderstanding of the original concept of "Creator". This is further confused, as there are many macrocosmic level Creators, or Logos, as has been explained previously. "God" implies some separate entity which is 'outside' of you, which you must supplicate to and worship. Our One Infinite Creator, and almost all of our Logos and sub-Logos', do not want your worship. They want you to understand Creation, and your place within it, as a Co-Creator. Ultimately, there is a "Supreme Being", in the form of the One Infinite Creator, but we are all a part of It, rather than it's subjects. None of the names given for this "Supreme Being" by your religions are the true name, but they are indeed correct, in that there is One Supreme Being, namely the Infinite Creator. They just have different concepts about It, which spring from the texts their religion is based upon.
Do not 'worship' your Infinite Creator, but rather live in a state of Thanksgiving and Service to It, for bringing you into Being, and for this amazing Game It has Created, in which we may forget who we really are, in order to remember, and know ourself one again, as the Creator.
^{(Reference: page 14)}

[Question]: A common saying among Christians is "Satan's greatest trick is convincing the world that he didn't exist." I think there are Christians that would look at what you've written and see it as an elaborate ruse to "make the devil look good."
[Hidden-Hand]:
"Satan" is a human invention. Simply the 'personification' you have given to all the Negativity that has existed on this beautiful planet. You didn't know who to 'blame', and as you could not find it within yourselves to take any of the responsibility, "Satan" was created to absolve yourselves.
^{(Reference: page 15)}

[Question]: Are John Lear/Jan Lamprecht correct in their assertion that the majority of planets of the Solar System are inhabited?
[Hidden-Hand]:
Most definitely. Not all on a 3rd Density level that you can see though.
^{(Reference: page 15)}

[Question]: Is the Earth Hollow?
[Hidden-Hand]:
Hold on, let me just check. Yes, definitely.
^{(Reference: page 15)}

[Question]: Your goal is a negative harvest, yet you clearly are touting the benefits of a positive life. This seems antithetical to your goal. That is not so much a question as an observation, but if you could elaborate on that, I would appreciate it.
[Hidden-Hand]:
Mmmm, another very perceptive question. Thank you.
Our goal, is a Negative Harvest for Ourselves. Not for you. We provide the Catalyst of Negativity for you, and it is up to you what you do with it. The drastic extent of the Negativity we Create though, has more to do with us, than it does with you. Some of my earlier replies should make clear why that is so.
Also, in response to your observation regarding the antithetical nature of some of what I have shared here, there is a simple explanation.
Let's put it this way, I have already been, shall we say "chastised" for going well beyond my remit here. It was not intended that I be as open as I have been. In fact, if you follow the topic through again from the beginning, you may notice how my 'tone' toward you (collectively) has softened somewhat during our discourse together.
I have, as far as possible, adhered fully to the Laws of Free Will and Confusion, although there have been instances where I have said more than I should have. You yourselves will not suffer for this, however, when it comes to my next cycle in 4th Density Negative, and working off my Karmic Record, I will have to accept the consequences for my actions. But hey, I figure I've got a Negative enough life to come as it is, so what's a little extra going to matter.
I was reluctant to be the one tasked with this communication. I still very much have a 'weakness' for Compassion. But I obey and discharge the assignments given to me. It has been a very long time, since I last spent any time in having direct dealings with 'your kind' in general. I do not mean that in an offensive way, just that the vast majority of my time, I only ever see Family during my daily and nightly tasks. I do not live what you would call a 'public' life. I am 'sheltered' and 'secluded'.
^{(Reference: page 15)}

Response to a sceptic called "LowLevelMason":

[Question]: Well, now we know the point of this thread, someone just discovered new age theology and wanted to take the time to type out his discovery.
OP, still waiting for you to provide a prediction with a time line. So far all you've offered is general doom, which is what everyone on ATS predicts every year. Need something SPECIFIC in the NEXT WEEK.
Of course I know you won't provide anything. This is a hoax.
[Hidden-Hand]:
This will be the only time that I reply to you.
At the outset of our discourse here, I made it expressly clear the way I am choosing to operate. If you do not like my choices, you have the Free Will to not read this disclosure. I would kindly suggest that you use it, as your energy is feeling very frustrated and angry. That's not really an advisable direction to want to be heading, under the circumstances.
As I took the time to explain to you before, I have nothing to prove to you. That is not why I came. Believe, or do not believe, I am Divinely indifferent. If my presence here ends up benefiting just one Soul during the process, it will have been worth the effort. I have not asked you to believe, the only thing I have respectfully asked, was that you 'suspend judgment' or hold a 'provisional faith' until the discourse is complete, so that the flow of questions / information remains uninterrupted. You have shown me nothing but discourtesy and bad manners from the outset, and then wonder why I do not respond. If you do not like the topic, simply choose not to read or reply, and let those that do wish to participate with insightful questions do so uninterrupted.

Your points:

1. New age theology? That is amusing. You clearly have not the faintest comprehension of just how ancient and timeless these "mysteries" are. I find it ironic "LowLevelMason", that if you ever make it to the 32nd Degree, you're going to find yourself hearing these Truths all over again. I hope that you will find it easier to integrate these Truths then, and I ask our Infinite Creator to guide your path.
2. You will not be receiving any times or dates from me. I am not here to "Prove" anything, and I have no need to do so. Your disbelief is of no consequence to me. Only to you. I am here to diligently discharge the duty given to me, of delivering a message. And I will complete that duty regardless of you feelings about it.
3. As to your point regarding "doom and gloom", that just serves to reveal your mindset. Where you see "doom and gloom" I see opportunity. Life conforms to your ideas about the way it is for you. If you see "doom and gloom", then that is what you are projecting. The world is your mirror. It reflects back to you what you are putting out. If you do not like the reflection Life is showing you, then change that which is causing it.
   ^{(Reference: page 4)}

In conclusion:

A lot of our beliefs are products of conditioning and not how the world actually is. Hidden-Hand presents a full-blown overview – thoroughly compelling, of a world beyond the appearance of things. This may be an elaborate deception, it may be a distortion or a fantasy. There is no black and there is no white. We can suspend (dis)belief and open ourselves to what may be. One of the things I think we can 'know' is that appearances are deceptive. However, this doesn't stop us from listening!

There is a certain gathering of perspectives on the hitherto hidden which is taking place on Steemit – catalysed by @fulltimegeek's quest to raise awareness about #donaldmarshall and covert , hidden , agendas. I will be adding this post to the DM-themed steemit library, as I believe there is a very useful perspective here; one that purports to come from a reach that is beyond and 'above' the level from which the perpetrators and exponents of propaganda, hidden-ops, mind-control or any other covert system of abuse and exploitation, operate.

Step forth if you will, it is a fascinating read.
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Link to 'Window of Opportunity', Q&A with Hidden-Hand on ATS forum