Beyond the Capitalism/Socialism Dichotomy

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Capitalism

Capitalism has been defined by its critics as a system in which a small group of people own the means of production, while the majority of the populace, lacking ownership of productive property, have no choice but to sell themselves to the owners of said property as wage workers. A system in which this is the case must necessarily have the following features: private-ownership of the means of production, a monetary system, and a market. These features are necessary but not sufficient conditions. If a system lacks these three features, it is not capitalism. If it has these features, it may or may not be capitalism.

The thing to note here is that capitalism, so defined, is not so much a system as a condition. Capitalism is not a market system, but rather a market system in which economic power is concentrated into the hands of the few and the majority of the populace is dependent upon, or subjugated to, the owners of land, resources, and machines used for production. Thus, there can be anti-capitalist market systems: e.g. Ricardian socialism, Tuckerite anarchism, distributism, mutualism, Fabian socialism, and some varieties of social democracy.

Socialism

Socialism refers to any of a variety of economic systems (and corresponding ideologies) that seeks to eliminate capitalism through the abolition of capitalistic property. Usually, socialism seeks to abolish the institution of private property over the means of production in favor of some sort of public or collective ownership. For instance, Proudhon's libertarian socialism advocated municipal-ownership of land and worker-ownership of industry, Marx’s vision of socialism entailed government-ownership of industry, and the Fabian socialists envisioned a mixture of municipal-ownership and national-ownership of land and industry. Some variety of public or collective property was the typical vision of socialists.

Third Ways

Beyond capitalism and socialism are several “third way” philosophies that can be seen, or have described themselves, as a third way beyond the capitalism-socialism dichotomy.

There are some who have called themselves “socialists” who depart from the standard socialist vision. Tuckerite libertarian socialism and Ricardian socialism advocated replacing fee-simple property with usufructuary property, holding that ownership ought to be linked to occupancy and use. Then there are some social democrats who refer to themselves as “socialists,” but really hold the Nordic Model of social democracy up as their ideal. They generally advocate universal healthcare, social security, and other universal welfare measures, and see private-ownership of industry as no problem at all. These, perhaps, are better labeled pseudo-socialists.

Capitalism and socialism are not the only options available. Alternatively, there is distributism. Distributism, like capitalism, does not designate a system per se, but rather refers to a condition. Distributism is widespread ownership of productive property, such that wage-slavery is eliminated. In a distributist economy, most people either own their own business or have a share of ownership in some cooperative enterprise. Such an economy must have private property, a monetary system, and markets, without meeting all the criteria necessary for constituting capitalism.

There is also Georgism, which entails using taxation as an analogue to public-ownership of land and natural resources. This has sometimes been called a mixture of socialism and capitalism, but perhaps is better understood as a third way or alternative to both. Georgists advocate free trade. Since Georgism does not fit either of the two conventional labels, it has serious proponents on both sides. Georgism has been advocated by prominent proponents of capitalism, such as Milton Friedman, as well as by Fabian socialists and mutualists. Georgism is compatible with these ideologies but coterminous with none of them.

Some advocates of Nordic Model social democracy have come to recognize that modern social democracy is no longer socialist. These social democrats have opted to refer to social democracy as a “third way” rather than as being either capitalism or socialism. Their status as “third way” is somewhat dubious, since the economies of Nordic countries still meet all the criteria for qualifying as capitalism. The curious thing about Nordic Model social democracy is that, although historically related to democratic socialism, today it has less to do with socialism and more to do with the ideas espoused by Franklin Delano Roosevelt in his Second Bill of Rights.

Additionally, there is an alternative model which centers on the idea of combining Georgist land value tax with a universal basic income and also providing the same universal welfare programs typically associated with Nordic Model social democracy. Personally, I have referred to this as “libertarian social democracy.” There are others who have advocated this without using any such label. This position is mostly rooted in civic republicanism, being inspired by Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, and other classical republican theorists.

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I cannot condone more theft to fix the problem of theft.

land value tax and UBI are two very bad forms of theft.
They sound good only from a point of view of someone trapped in a crony-capitalistic/socialistic system.
They do not fix the problem, they make it worse.

Factories of the future will become so ubiquitous that anyone with rudimentary engineering skills can own the means of production. And then we can start to have true free markets.

With crypto-currencies we can start to have real money.

And with the internet we can approach having perfect information for the buyer.

With these three we can start to see is what is referred to as real capitalism. However, at that point, the capital accumulation will not be so necessary to make factories, so... it really shouldn't be called capitalism.

Land value tax (LVT) and universal basic income (UBI or citizen's dividend) is not theft. Land and natural resources, by nature, belong to everyone equally. Private property is a natural institution only with regard to things we produce with our own labor. I made a spear and a makeshift shovel, those tools are naturally my property (or, more accurately, rightful possessions) because I produced them through my own labor. Man did not produce the land. The institution of private property in land and other natural resources (oil, water, mines, etc.) is an artificial institution created by society. It is a necessary institution, somewhat, but not a natural or entirely just one. When an oil company monopolizes a valuable piece of land and its natural resources, resources that they did not produce, they ought to have to pay a land value tax (or ground-rent in Thomas Paine's words) in order to compensate all the people they are excluding from access to those natural "God-given" resources. This is why LVT and UBI go together, because that tax doesn't belong to the State at all, it goes directly to the people as a compensation for being deprived of access to something that naturally belongs to everyone.

Think of land value tax and citizens dividend (UBI) this way: all citizens are part-owners of the resources of the nation. In all probability, you wouldn't pay any land value tax at all. If you just own a modest home, you pay a little in land value tax, but you receive a dividend (basic income) for your share in ownership of all the other land. Your little piece of land that you pay everyone else for is so small in comparison to the rest of land that they pay you for, so your dividend or basic income cancels out the taxes and leaves you with a surplus. The only people who would pay more than they receive in basic income is people who have own much more land (in terms of value, not necessarily physical size) than is their fair share. If you own a gold mine, then you will pay more than you receive in basic income. However, in exchange for that tax, you get the right to monopolize a freaking gold mine! You still benefit far more than you are forced to contribute, but you are asked to give a little bit back in order to compensate the people you exclude and to ensure that no one else is left impoverished while you live in luxury. Land value tax and basic income makes society much better for everyone.

taxation is theft.
Not saying that some forms of taxation are the lesser of two evils.

I do not agree with your idea of limited resources. (but that is entire post in itself)

And, what you are proposing here just increases the price of goods.
If you had a 100% efficient taxing system then, the oil company would pay everyone 10¢ and everyone would pay an extra 10¢ for gasoline (or other oil based products)

Only when you make the tax system biased does anyone get money out of it. Alaska oil companies pay Alaskans, and everyone in the world pays a little extra for alaska oil. And 50% (or more) of the extra price is used up in administration of this money redistribution (US to Alaskans) scheme.

Companies do not pay taxes. They collect taxes from their customers, for the govern-cement.

A tax on property isn't theft when property is theft. The Earth belongs to everyone. Hoarding a part of it exclusively for yourself is theft, because you didn't produce the Earth. You are only entitled to the product of your own labor, not to natural wealth. Private property in land is theft. Land value tax is not theft, but merely a way of making private property in land acceptable. I.e. Land value tax makes private property not theft. If you oppose land value tax because it's "theft," then you logically also need to oppose private property in land altogether, because that's also theft.

https://steemit.com/anarchism/@ekklesiagora/property-as-theft-the-libertarian-socialist-critique-of-property-part-1

Also, beyond private property entailing theft now, the institution was historically rooted in theft in other ways too:
https://steemit.com/anarchism/@ekklesiagora/property-as-theft-the-libertarian-socialist-critique-of-property-part-2

Taxation IS theft.

Hoarding part of earth for yourself may be theft, but you have to tie some very interesting knots to show it so.

In your critiques you go pretty deep in some areas, and very shallow in others. You rarely got to the actual core of the problems.
i.e. A corporation externalizes costs while internalizing profits only happens because of the state. The state is the problem. Or the corporation as the state is even more of a problem.

Land ownership is a necessity for farming and manufacturing.
There is enough land for everyone.
So, the only case is who gets the most desired land for their use?
And in the near future, the desired land is about to be flipped on its head.
(even worse than that land in Hawaii that was very expensive last year is now a lava flow today)

Would love to see some better ideas on land ownership

https://steemit.com/taxes/@builderofcastles/property-tax-is-the-most-evil-tax-of-our-time

You should check out "Progress and Poverty" by Henry George, which makes the case for land value tax. Adam Smith, Milton Friedman, William F. Buckley, George Bernard Shaw, and Michael Hudson, theorists and experts from both sides, have advocated LVT. Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine, the American Founding Fathers supported the idea, and the original U. S. Constitution (Articles of Confederation) would have made land value tax the only tax (no income tax, no tariffs, no corporate tax).
You can even get a free copy of "Progress and Poverty" here: http://schalkenbach.org/freebook/

Property is not theft.

I mix my labor with the land, build my house, make my garden, make goods. Even animals claim their territory.
Try sleeping in the cave of a bear :)
How is living life freely theft?

Taxation on the other hand is theft.
What is theft, if not the coercive transaction of property?

But I want to extend a hand to you libertarian socialist ( even though that term always makes me think of a vegan butchers):

Unused land, in my view, can be claimed by someone actually using it.

This is a difficult problem, no doubt, but it can be solved.

Taxation and other violent redistribution, on the other hand, can never be turned into something good.

If the tree is rotten, so will be the fruit.

Without universal ethics there will be totalitarianism.

That sort of property is just usufruct. That's not what libertarian socialists oppose. I am not a libertarian socialist. Libertarian socialism is an anarchist school of thought. I am a Georgist, social democrat, and neo-republican. What libertarian socialists oppose is the artificial sort of property known as fee-simple or allodial property, upon which modern capitalism is based. Personally, my position (Georgism) upholds fee-simple but uses tax policy to mitigate the negative consequences.

Check out my series on libertarian socialism (I used to identify with anarchism/libertarian socialism, but I do not anymore, but their critique of property is still valid):
https://steemit.com/anarchism/@ekklesiagora/property-as-theft-the-libertarian-socialist-critique-of-property-summary-anthology

Every country should have a public health care system. It's like a public school system it's a basic service that shows you live in a civilized society. I don't even consider it socialism.

The whole giving healthy people free housing and welfare because they make lots of babies, that's socialist. Its hard to say those ghetto babies should be homeless though, that's a tough sale.

I'm pretty moderate, at least by Canada's standards. I would be okay with free college too, even though i paid for mine back in the 90s. The people who come here and get an education and leave though, I don't want to pay for them.

Interested in the distributism though. There have to be lots of options that aren't capitalism or socialism, both of which have serious flaws

Oh, BTW...
'have no choice but to sell themselves to the owners of said property as wage workers'.
This condition you mentioned is in no way a voluntary relationship no matter how much the owners insist it is. It's coercive, exploitative, and from a spiritual perspective totally corrupt and a breaking of a proper understanding of The Golden Rule...

The problem here is you are blaming the wrong entity.

Lets say that there was no factory. Then no one works at the factory and no products are made.
Is this better or worse than a factory with employees?

Creating a factory is intensely difficult, time and money consuming and fraught with peril. If a person, or group of people do not receive great benefits from this undertaking, than a factory doesn't get built.
In socialist and communist countries, no new factories are built, and the old ones slowly rot.

So, do you still place the blame at the feet of the factory owners?

Actually you need to place the blame at the feet of govern-cement (taxes) and the fractional reserve banks.
If you had no taxes, you could stay on your farm and continue growing food and not care if there are factories or not. But, taxes slowly take away your property, and cause you to have to get money.

The FED makes everything more costly over time. Inflation exists because of them. So, you not only have to make money to pay those taxes, you have to make more and more money to just stand still economically.

I'm not sure what you're referencing in my post. My point was that the relationship between the owners of the means of production (today corporate billionaires via plutocracy) have broken The Golden Rule as I understand it and the relationship between these owners and the workers is not voluntary and is embedded within coercion and exploitation.
I agree with you, though, that one of the many possible solutions is a return to intelligent and educated homesteading, but this in itself wouldn't solve the issue of scale.
The issue primarily, is what I call The Age of Usury...I address this in​ my latest post.
You won't, however, get much agreement from me if you choose to assess our current dilemmas from one side of the political polemic.

I am an abolitionist. And that is the side i will stay on.

And you said,

'have no choice but to sell themselves to the owners of said property as wage workers'... is in no way a voluntary relationship

So, i replied that it is not the factory owners fault, it is other forces that require one to work to make a living.

That may be but the relationship is still one of coercion and exploitation.
In a Godless Darwinian universe, that condition is somewhat understandable, but it's untenable from any truly honest spiritual understanding.
It be true that there are religions that could justify this conflict and condition but I reject most of them via the faculties of reason and logic and have distilled religion to one spiritual principle which wouldn't concede this abusive relationship.
We also live in an idiosyncratic age so I'd be interested in what exactly you mean by being an abolitionist.

Interesting.

To me everything voluntary is ethical and goes well with the spiritual path.

Coercion on the other hand is evil.

The most violent entity in sight is the state apparatus. It's the very structure of oppression -and yes,
it is used against the people by powerful groups.

The government wants us to look the other way, though, and blame capitalism instead of the state.

'The rich' are not your enemy, that's just Marxist divide and rule...

Those are your enemy who initiate violence against you, your property, body or free will.

Don't like big banks/business?

Don't use their debt money and don't buy their products and services.

But more importantly:

Stop giving more power to their most powerful weapon, the state!

Socialism = Radical Statism
Radical Statism = totalitarianism

I concede that there is a spiritual quality about being 15 years old reading Rand and if you were to frame your post within materialism and atheism I wouldn't be replying, but I can't abide the spiritual component of your post for two reasons: the capitalism you think exists doesn't and never has--the El-ites instituted capitalism and today it spans the world via corporate control of the state; also, the type of spirituality you are espousing is a type of every man for himself ethic and is equivalent to esoteric fascism.
And I'm done talking to all the fake profiles on this site so don't bother replying.
Get the facts here: https://steemit.com/conspiracy/@andrewmarkmusic/the-worldwide-religion-of-money

It is rather disappointing to see that instead of having a discussion about how on Earth coercion in any of it's variations is compatible with spirituality or ethics, you chose to go straight ad hominem.

Condescending, calling this a fake profile etc.

I dare you to tell me how you think the coercion and initiation of violence done by the state with a quarter BILLION victims in the last century is just fine with your 'spiritual path'.

I didn't look at your link because of your behavior and tone, but talking about the financial system is a great start.

The fractural reserve system is meant to keep people under control, who doubts that?

But maybe instead of hoping that somehow more state is a solution, more theft, more coercion, more violence, we could start using financial systems that serve us better, how about that?

The alternative to private property is the state apparatus controlling everything. Therefore private property is the best way around.

I do acknowledge, however, that unused land must be open to someone using it.

I don't expect an answer, much less an excuse, but if you do choose to actually argue your point, please wait until you have overcome that anger you seem to be struggling with.

Hi, ekklesiagora...Where do my ideas fall within the spectrum of these other thinkers? (linked below (if you don't mind)...
Two points:
-many of these ideas were thought about at a time when there were only a billion people on the planet and seemingly endless resources. Isn't an update in thought needed?
-the assumption here is likely that humans are the only actors on the earth and IMO., and experience, it's an assumption that couldn't be more incorrect. The problem, as one might guess, is that no one can prove who these other actors are. Regrettably, the inability to diagnose this issue is why the political/economic sphere cannot be made holistic and healthy and will continue to remain in schism and fractured.
FWIW, I haven't made definitive conclusions of who these other actors are and what their motivations are-- that is difficult to answer.
One non-theistic evolutionary speculation is these actors are Ascended Rainbow Body Masters...I know, I know...No problem if you don't want to engage this aspect of my comment:)
https://andrewmarkmusic.com/?p=673

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