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RE: Caution, Disruption Ahead: BuildTeam.io Now Live!

in #buildteam4 years ago (edited)

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WOW, you gathered my 3 least favorite Steem projects on Steem:

  • Minnowbooster,
  • SteemVoter,
  • SteemSports

All those projects are/were exploiting weaknesses of Steem ecosystem to benefit project participants, without giving much value back to the platform.

But to be honest, I am not sad or something, because this is what happening when free market can create solutions, which will try to solve problems, which users have - we have a feedback from open market that there is a problem.

All Voting Bots like MinnowBooster will disappear and will lost most of their clients, when all users and Steemit will understand, that "Promote" feature should be completely redesign.

I do not respect teams behind those projects, because they prefer to leverage steem weaknesses to do own business and earn profit, rather than try to contribute to discussion and help design solution which will benefit whole Steemians.

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Not sure why this guy is flagged he brings up good points. I think it says more to how broken the promotion feature in Steemit is. At least for minnowbooster. I use minnowbooster because the promotion feature isn't effective.

Promotion is no silver bullet in my opinion. And the current feature is just broken.

I think it is sad that you feel that way. Minnowbooster is trying to improve the voting bot ecosystem. Steemvoter gives you liberty over your curation.

In the end there is the question if these services are beneficial to the Blockchain. And if they are, we are working hard to make them perfect for you. If they are not, steem has to change, you are welcome that we helped improving it.

And sure, we are closed source because we want our work to be used by us. We see with DrOtto many unstable bidding bots and chaos. And if someone wants more than that, please let them put the work in.

We will over time open source some of our libraries and offer apis for the community. But we won't share our code. And I don't think you can give a good reason for us to do that.

I want to add something: while other bots put their profits into their own pockets we let you use our services and earn. We take a cut of your earnings, so we only earn if you earn. And if you haven't noticed, we are contributing to the discussion.

hello my friend i want know about build team how you work and how can i be part of your team????

We are currently not looking for new team members, sorry.

could you explain some things about your job on this project what do you do exact??? thanksss wish the best for you and your family

I am the main programmer and cto for @minnowbooster and manage all the infrastructure and development of other projects by buildteam.

BTW, am I right that all of those projects are close-source - to not even allow fair competition?

While we are closed source we are giving back to the open source ecosystem.

If you are interested, I could offer you most of my salary this month if you improve radiator. We want to fork it pretty soon as inertia seems to be unresponsive to pull requests and when that happens I plan on putting 1000 STEEM worth of bounties on issues to improve it.

I noticed some of the things you are doing and sadly they are only in python. So if you plan to pick up ruby, get in touch! There is a lot to do 🐐

Thank you for pointing it out!

Very interesting read, haven't seen this projects from this perspective - hope it won't get downvoted.

For example... how promoting on Steemit could work? First of all, no one checks "Promoted" tab, and I totally understand why.

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Probability, that there is something interesting is much lower. If something would be really interesting, then this would be on trending anyway. So because promoting a post do not give any good results, then people prefer to pay MinnowBooster.

How this should be solved:

For example, every 10-15th entries, there should be a spot for promoted content, starting from entry #2:

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And if there will be a 4 promoted post on the platform:

  • post A would spend 50 SBD on promotion
  • post B would spend 30 SBD on promotion
  • post D would spend 19 SBD on promotion
  • post D would spend 1 SBD on promotion

Then, posts A, B, C, D would have respectively 50%, 30, 19% and 1% chance to be displayed to next user on the #2, on the trending page.

Do you think, users would prefer such method? I think they would! :)

Agree with you. I had written a similar post about Steemit promotions. https://steemit.com/steemit/@gokulnk/are-steemit-promotions-dead

In its current form Promotions are a waste of money unless you are a company or you are already a whale.

Would be an improvement for sure. However, minnowbooster offers a direct return on investment that might not be matched by promoting you post. I think plenty of people would still use it. I'm happy you brought this up. It's an important discussion to have on steemit.

I think it's more than a little ridiculous ... look at our team list ... we have mouths to feed and lots of them. OP FUDSKI has 40K STEEM, maybe he should pay our wages? I mean he worked hard for that money, earned it, but that belongs to everyone doesn't it?

Open source is cool, but it's not some thing that should be mandated, demanded, or even expected. Why does OP feel he is entitled to "compete" by having free access to the proprietary code of a private enterprise?

I wonder if he made his 40K giving things away for free? Maybe he did produce some brilliant OS software that people donated too, but I highly doubt it. I'd wager 150 STEEM OP is hypocrite. He can prove me wrong by giving me 500!

I think the discussion around how new users who make quality content are recognised is an important one. I don't agree that open source or not is about competition. Even if minnowbooster was open source, you can't replicate their success overnight. However, we can all have opinions of what is healthy or not healthy for the ecosystem. I think the build team projects have had a impact in pushing forward the ecosystem which I think noisy recognises.

That is definitely an important discussion. In the end steemit has to improve their ui. I don't think promoted is the silver bullet.

One plan I had is using AI to find stuff you specifically like. But that would be incredibly expensive and I don't think people would want to pay for it.

Someone with the funds of stinc could make that happen though. We will see if they do.

Would love to read your opinion on this matter in a post. This discussion is derailing a bit here 😅

I think it would be cool if there would be somekind of bounty or incentive for contributing into the steemit frontend codebase here:
https://github.com/steemit/condenser

Like the improvement @noisy pointed for example - contribute the code, get it tested and get rewarded.

The question is who is willing to pay for those open source contributers?

That is the question. I am happy to pay for contributions that help me build things. Most of that would be improvements of radiator.

I am pretty sure that stinc pays people to contribute. But I guess you have to talk to them first.

there is no such thing like free lunch. If you have something for sure, then this mean, that someone else who maybe deserve something more... will not get it.

if you flag me, please elaborate your comment. I might be wrong, but from your comment I will not learn much.

See my reply to @codewithcheese or my reply on steemit.chat :)

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