Do you ever have an idea and write something thinking it is interesting and then, ...

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... it just doesn't get the engagement you predicted? I get this from time to time and probably more so now since comments are somewhat out of favor since the hardfork. I expect that to change though with SMTs as they can reinvigorate the comment section by adding another tokenized layer that makes commenting sexy again.

Regardless of this though, writing out ideas whether they get engagement or not, votes or not is valuable, especially these days in a world of fast consumption. Average social media design and passive consumption doesn't encourage slow thinking or deeper consideration, it is created to incentivize disposable information that gives the feeling of understanding.

I think that spending some time to develop thoughts has several compounding factors including testing ideas through mental process and of course, developing thinking skills in general, as well as writing and presentation skills.

Some might see a lack of engagement as failure to attract attention, but this is really only true when considering multiple pieces of content over time, the odd piece that falls on deaf ears or is not well received is of little consequence as a standalone piece.

However, it is also valuable to get accustomed to the feelings that may come through association with a piece failing to get traction as it should be relatively common if pushing boundaries and a lot of content. One of the problems I hear is that people evaluate their value and identify themselves with how much attention they get from social media mechanisms, and many,, many feel like failures if they don't get enough likes, hearts or stars. It is a slippery slope to identify oneself in such a way as it can lead toward losing the true self in favor of what gets attention.

Attention and validation seekers are bound to end in the negative as it is impossible to always attract doing what one loves consistently, and impossible to maintain it for life. No wonder there are so many depressives on the Internet, people who define themselves on the opinions and support received from others, often strangers with no skin in the game or care for who a person is in reality. A hard life to be sure.

For me, I love the writing process enough that even if something fails to get engagement, there is still value in it for me. I also know many who read my work often but don't often comment. This is hard to factor of course, but comments and votes aren't the only signs of traction, although they are more visible. Pay attention and you might ktoce spin off content tbay has been developed from a core idea consumed from another source. Inspiring content is value adding also, even if it isn't a direct line.

We can never really know what effects we have on most people as the influences we have and the continued ramifications of them go largely unseen. I wonder if we were able to evaluate and enumerate all of our influence made throughout our day or week would we inspire more positive action or negative?

We all likely believe that what we do has a positive effect on the world, but we can never really know if that is the case. I think we have more direct influence on our world than many think, and a lot less than some believe.

Anyway, off to bed - if there are comments, I will get to them in the morning.

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I’m pretty sure comments fell out of favour as soon as Facebook and Twitter mainstreamed 🤣 prior to that everything was forum and then Livejournal and its ilk (and now forums are “too complicated” 🤨)

Speaking of Facebook I remember a conversation at one of the homeschool groups where one of the mums was saying how she noticed a problem when she got unreasonably upset about a particularly witty status update going unnoticed and another one saying there was a name for that and I was somewhat surprised that people got that invested in it.

I also think that particular problem has existed since we developed enough for it to be a problem, the internet just made it more visible over a larger number.

Also wonder how much of the problem is intrinsic and how much is caused by how society is structured.

Sorry if there’s less sense than usual, I’m pre-coffee atm and sandwiched between my younger two (we had snuggles and apparently I’m not allowed to get up yet even though two of us are on mini screens and one is still sleepily staring at walls and ceiling engaged in whatever thoughts occur to children).

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I also think that particular problem has existed since we developed enough for it to be a problem, the internet just made it more visible over a larger number.

Yep, this is likely and the internet has also amplified it enormously and allows for cherrypicking and "personal" filters that create echo chambers that support the view for long enough for it to become an expectation.

Also wonder how much of the problem is intrinsic and how much is caused by how society is structured.

My client told me that their university-going daughter calls him to like some posts of hers on various platforms because she feels bad if they don't get enough clicks.

It is creating an interesting psychological position where we rely on the opinions of stangers to feel a sense of self worth, opinions from people who do not care about us at all and are more likely to try and undermine us as away to score points for their own attention seeking behaviors.

Again I think the internet just exacerbated existing problems well beyond the point of ridiculousness XD

Um yeh that behaviour is a tad concerning :S

Sounds like every post I write! 🤣

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Lately, I think most have seen a drop off of some kind. I think it might be a good thing for the moment.

Yes...Some have even received 3:30am phone calls from asshole brothers who dial the wrong number by “accident.” Lol!

Sorry about that 🤪

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And some have fullday webinars to deliver after such calls :D

Bwhaha...

☕️

Here’s a cup of concrete...Harden the fu^k up.

😀

Seriously though, as it turns out I couldn’t send the package...Aus Post has some tech issue. Will send tomorrow hopefully. You might get another 3:30am call when I press the wrong button looking for your address again...

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Looking forward to it as I have another full-day webinar tomorrow too. The post is on strike here, so that'll be fun.

Ok, that’s possibly why it wouldn’t put my package through to Finland. Tried two post offices, both said they had put other international parcels through. I gave up after two. Will try tomorrow.

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Yeah, they might be on strike for 4 weeks from what I hear, which means it is going to screw over most of the Christmas deliveries. Or in the meantime, I private company will pick up the slack.

In answer to the first sentence, absolutely! 😆 Or maybe it's more because those are the ones I'm going for a little feedback on our to start a discussion on.

It still puzzles me as to why one would only comment for reward. If you're here to play the social media game, then commenting and engaging is what gets you seen. That's what being social means. Getting seen brings reward in the people it brings to your page, but then we aren't very good at delayed gratification, are we?

Interestingly, Instagram has now got rid of the likes counter for the public. You can only see that for your own page. I guess that removes a layer of the gratification process, in that you can't show it off to others.

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Creo que esa decisión de instagram esta inspirada en eliminar ese efecto domino que nos atrapa a los seres humanos "si a Pedro le gusta esto a mi también", creo que invita al pensamiento critico y a dar ese "me gusta"a algo que realmente te atrae a ti y no a los demás. Las redes tienen mucho que ver con la psicología.

Acertada y muy perspicaz apreciación mi estimada @mjmarquez4151.

Y si es el caso de que también machucas un pelín el inglés y el spanglish, te invito a que te des una vueltecita por mi blog y devores con gula mis dos últimos artículos a los que le he dedicado una sesión de cirugía mayor justo a este tema.

Saluditos!! :)

Or maybe it's more because those are the ones I'm going for a little feedback on our to start a discussion on.

This plays a big part in the skew. Perhaps the ones that we are looking more heavily for feedback get noticed more for the lack?

Getting seen brings reward in the people it brings to your page, but then we aren't very good at delayed gratification, are we?

I think that in time this will change more, but when it comes to Steem we have set a culture of "reward for any action". Back in the day, no one really rewarded comments yet people still commented.

Interestingly, Instagram has now got rid of the likes counter for the public. You can only see that for your own page. I guess that removes a layer of the gratification process, in that you can't show it off to others.

afaik this has only been rolled out in some countries, AUS is one of them. However I think that the real reason they did it is so that instead of advertisers approaching influencers directly, they now need to go through Instagram to identify influencers first. From what I hear, it has taken possibility away from those looking to monetize.

However I think that the real reason they did it is so that instead of advertisers approaching influencers directly, they now need to go through Instagram to identify influencers first. From what I hear, it has taken possibility away from those looking to monetize.

Crafty. Although I think they'll still be able to identify influencers via the interaction levels on their posts. In fact, that should be a better indicator, because likes can be bought.

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All of the centralised platforms are going to become more aggressive in their profit needs as they are very top heavy on structure. Funny considering on Steem we are looking for ways to spread more wealth wider. :)

Well, the same is true for any piece of art, really. Alway accepted? No. Worth doing it? Yes.

If we learn to not take it personally, we should be fine and happy with it.

If we learn to not take it personally, we should be fine and happy with it.

This is something I am pretty good with these days, I don't take much personally - and never on the internet. THe internet is full of people looking to score points to a game that only they are playing :D

Hi @tarazkp
I can identify with this because I sometimes write what I think is a powerful or particularly creative post and get zero or sparse engagement. I must admit it led me to focus more on the business side of Steemit but it also encouraged me to interact more in hope of finding people with similar interests and to write better and change topics

There is a catch-22 problem for prolific writers as one needs to get off the personal blog to generate audience, but how to do this while continually writing? :)

This is the same for the non-prolific who comment a lot. Commenting might create a potential audience, but there has to be consumable content for them.

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