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RE: Do You Even Logic?
So far I did not find your argument convincing, but highly offensive.
Here is my full reply. If you are still convinced I am wrong after this, please help me change my mind. Preferably try using less insults, as this would make your values more convincing:
https://steemit.com/anarchy/@evolutionnow/debating-dogma-fighting-taboos-and-compelled-speech
It's not an argument, it's fact. I don't feel like reading your reply, and if you're offended by facts, then I have a little quote from our good friend Ben Shapiro for you.
The fact that you call a minority group "mentally ill" and "delusional" but get mad when I call you uneducated is hilarious. Grow the fuck up, child.
OK. I guess only transgender people are always right. Like Nazi? All I'm saying that when anyone in the world says what they think they are, but they are not, according to the world, they suffer from a delusion. When I say I am a woman I suffer from a delusion. Util I say it is my gender. I can say any word because there is no limit to genders, say I am that, and it would be a delusion, if I did not say that it is my gender. How can anyone say that they feel like not what they are but something else? If no one can know your subjective experience, how can you know you feel like a woman when you are a man etc. How would you know? And which one of unique experiences of all the humans that happen to be a woman? Another woman maybe doesn't feel like a woman, as much or as little as you may think? Your subjective experience is what makes you, so gender is obsolete. It only works if you want to be an oppressed victim, blaming everything for hating yourself... so why not just be happy with the experience of you. You do not know anything else, but the experience of you.
Be you and let others be.
Do not impose your subjective experience on others. Listening to words is a part of your subjective experience. If it bothers you how others express their subjective realities, stop listening if it bothers you. Yours is not more important than others. Why would you care what others think of you? Why do you make a pronoun so important. Gender=you. We have words for this. Subjective experience. Mine as valid as your, OK? Peace?
I am very open for a debate. I can prove you are wrong, but what would be the point? I do not want to upset you. I just think there is a better way. If you are interested let me know. I didn't really do all the things you think I did. I call a delusion a delusion. I did not call minorities anything and you know it, or could be delusional about it, trying to pump up the victim status... If you will put words in my mouth, all you really want is hearing your own voice, so I will politely let you have conversations with yourself. Let me know if you are interested abut well researched point of view, that is the objective truth ;)
If you want to deny scientific facts, you can do so, but it makes you uneducated. Do you think the Earth is flat, too?
This is the point. You do not have to listen to anyone. This is what "transgender" means. You are always right no matter how delusional it seems to everyone else. You are the only kind of human, that rules do not apply to.
Please provide references for the scientific study you mention. I did not find any and I do research the things I write about very carefully. If you claim that there is a group of people, who represent the 0,05% of the humanity and the rules of humanity do not apply to them, provide the evidence, because otherwise it is identity politics, bigotry that was always the excuse of dictators to commit atrocities they committed. You should have no problem, since you claim there is consensus of science, right? It is exactly the other way around. I like science. When science does not correspond with simple logic, I question it. But still, there is no science that supports your idea, that whatever anyone says they think they are, which is not the objective truth according to everyone else, is not delusional. Science cannot be irrational. If it is, it changes. Newton was right for a long time. He still is on some level, but Einstein proved him wrong. Even if you will find any science apart from the one based on one research done by a pedo, please let me know. So if you can tell me why whenever anyone says, what they think they are, but the society considers this to not be true, this person is delusional and as soon as they say "gender" after, they stop being delusional... please do. How does this change when you say you are transgender?
I really do not care if science says the Earth is flat, like it used to.
If I say whatever I think I am and it does not correspond with current objective reality of the humanity, which is science that corresponds with current level of evolution of human awareness, like physics, medicine, biology... that prove you cannot get pregnant if you are a woman, you need a prostate exam if you are an older man, or you cannot feel like something you are not because you cannot possibly know how to be something you are not... I did not find any science you mention apart from John Money, who was a pedophile.
If you say you feel like something else, how do you know? How do you know you feel like something you are not? So no one can know your subjective experience, but you know how a woman feels like when you are a gender-confused male? How is this possible? Don't you just feel like a man who believes he is a woman, and it is a delusion of what woman would feel like? Which woman out of 4 billion? All of them? I believe in logic, reason, rationality, science. I do not believe in impossible magic, you call science. I believe in scientific method, not in scientists.
So when I say I am something I think I am, but it is not true according to everyone else, I am delusional. Please explain how this changes, as soon as I say "gender"after whatever I claim.
This would mean only transgender people can never be delusional. Only transgender people are always 100% right. You cannot question.
If you question their beliefs, you are categorized as a monster. So you are always right and categorize 99,95% of people as monsters, just because their subjective experience is different from yours? Hitler much? The very thing you demand to be respected? So does it not feel self-contradictory to you? Does it remind you of identity politics of Stalin, Mao, Hitler?
How much do you have to victimize yourself to behave like a Nazi?
Please try to address my argument. Do not make up what I am saying. Do not make up facts. Do not claim science supports your opinion when it isn't true. It does not help your credibility if you have to lie, to defend your idea. Also if you start a discussion with insults, you just look delusional, so it also does not help convincing anyone to credibility of your words. You are just a mad, entitled, confused person. If you cannot defend it without making up things, putting words in my mouth, then your idea cannot withstand scrutiny and it should not be upheld.
Illness should be addressed to help people who hate their body so much that half commit suicide. Not addressing this illness increases the suicides. I am worried when an idea increases suffering and deaths. Your "gender" and pronoun obsession is nothing but heroin for you. It may make you feel better, because you dictated someone what words to use, because you don't like some words people say. But after you realize it did not help to hate yourself less, you have no one else to blame... and you check out, because you cannot see the most simple solution, which is being happy with what you've got.
So either give me references, or we are done here and you were proven wrong, but choose to stay delusional about that too.
Do not insult people and impose your view on them, because you will be opposed and you want to be supported.
So here is me and you. Two individuals. Convince me I am wrong with all the data you have. If I am wrong I want to improve.
The most scary part is that you are such an angry, hateful and resentful bigot, that you are not capable, or not smart enough to see that you are proving my point. The way adults have conversations is that they do not start with insults as it disqualifies them as being on a debatable level. I am trying to find the difference between your behavior and Nazis, or Stalin, Mao etc. An adult does not comment on well researched articles with "you are dumb, because I am right, because science and you cannot question, because you are a monster lalala". No matter your gender; you are an arrogant, aggressive asshole right now. Same rules apply to everyone. You can bully others around to your dictatorship. It does not change the fact that you are an asshole. Making up facts, putting words in someone's mouth... this is not how adults do it. Spoiled, entitled brats do it and they say "grow up" in the end. Oh the irony when a bigot projects on others! It does not help to convince anyone to your idea. So, if you can be civil, open-minded and respectful, I can prove to you in few sentences you are wrong. If not, then you are disqualified and you proved my point. No matter what, I wish all the best to you. I would love for you to give me references to that consensus in science. I research the subjects carefully before I write about them, so no brat could make me look dumb. So all "science" you refer to is based on study done by a pedophile. I have 100 studies for each of yours. I talked to many transgenders and proved each one to be wrong. I would love to have a civil debate and a chance to learn. Please help me understand. Change my mind. I don't know Shapiro. But he is right that your feelz don't change reality, just as when you think you feel like something you are not. If it is so obvious you are correct and only transgender people are correct, when they say what they think they are, which is incorrect according to consensus of 99,95% of humanity... they are only humans who are not delusional, it should not be hard if it is so obvious to prove me wrong, right? I want to learn. Help me if I'm wrong. If you can't be civil or you chicken out to stay delusional about the reality, no one cares what you have to say.
Funny that flat earth example. Because some scientist was wrong and science was wrong until another person, using scientific method fixed it... It works against you. Scientific method I use is against you. I do not care what people are incorrect about. I do not know Shapiro personally and I do not agree with all he says. He is right about a lot of things. So is world-wide recognized, most influential thinker, a psychiatrist, who talks about human psychology Peterson, so is Jung... so why is your opinion, an ill person, a patient vs. the doctor correct? And you claim it is science? If someone believes in invisible people they suffer from schizophrenia. It is not expected of me to talk to those invisible people, just because someone say they think they exist. Why would you expect me to address the invisible person you think is hiding in your body? Should I call anorexic people fatty, because they think they are fat? Because you say you think this is how someone other than you would experience the reality?
Try again or thank you for proving my point and have a great life.
You're starting to scare me, so I'm going to pretend like this interaction never happened. I recommend doing scientific research, and medical research, and historic research and maybe trying to learn things before you pretend like your "subjective worldview" is reality, since you are factually wrong on nearly all fronts here. I feel sorry for you.
A few years ago I thought this would be an open mic material of how people can become the caricatures of themselves. I never suspected society could ever get so dumb, that you would actually be treated seriously. I guess it is the competition of who is more "tolerant" now... I think bestiality should be next on agenda of "social justice warriors" indoctrination camp, they call school. You are an oxymoron. To you facts are bigotry, logic is white privilege oppressing dumb people... Is this why you cannot prove one thing I am wrong about? Prove just one... not all of the things I am incorrect about, which are the actual facts, you trained yourself to misunderstand in a tragicomic, awkward upside-down manner Just one to shut me up, so I don't scare you with logic anymore and you prove you are not an insane person? I like it when someone comes to you and screams "bigot!". It makes it so much easier when you introduce yourself straight away. Name would be fine. Your gender, I could not care less about... BUT! You do not get to teach morals when you really suck at it. I asked you a few times to either link in one of your " infinity" of sources or stop making up stuff like a baby, you are. The reason why I am "scaring" you, is because I already proved you wrong and now you play your victim card. This is all you ever do. This is all you ever have in your argument. It is very scary that a discussion scares you. Facts and science scare you and you need to make up a make-belief delusions in your head to make your insanity work. People asking you to be civil scare you? They need to be stopped with violence, right? Anyone who has a different worldview scares you? Anyone who is asking you to please not to impose compelled speech on 99,95%? I scare you because I want the freedom of speech, thought and expression for everyone, just like you do for yourself and 0,05%? You categorize people as "my angry mob of entitled brats, that know nothing about nothing, have no skills and think everything should be given to them", and "everyone who has an opinion is a bigot", which dear silly person, makes you the definition of a bigot. You like getting attention, while hiding behind the most murderous ideology ever invented by a human? If you like identity politics you are nowhere near being even civilized.
It is an incredible irony being schooled by someone who represents the level of knowledge I was at when I was 16. Then I learned for 20 years, for many hours per day. I know it comes from compassion, but you are taking it to a very dangerous extreme, making you someone you cannot even reason with. It is impossible to even have a discussion with your crazy sect of collectivist "justice warriors".
So either link something in, or if you still will be playing your childish games, I will link in encyclopedia of scientific research, psychiatry, sociology, history... you would need 10 years to go through it... and you will just look silly, because you cannot even link one. You do not get to tell others what to think or say. There is a reality of wisdom you have yet to discover. Your subjective experience is not it. Sorry top burst your bubble. No amount of being entitled, spoiled, rude, uneducated brat will make you win any argument. Please stop trolling if you have nothing else to say, but "I am telling you I am right. Can't prove it, but you should find the way to prove I am right". I have not and this is why I ask you to point me in the right direction. Maybe I missed something? I am open to learn. I went through more scientific research in a week than you in your whole life. You are only proving to be delusional about many more things.
Here are just a tiny fraction of links to a few SCIENTISTS. Let me know if I can link in all the statistics, if you would like to learn something at any point in your life... but I know you don't... because you are special and everyone is dumb... and you will cry when you realize you are not as smart as you claimed to be. Just keep fixing everyone else... never look at yourself being the issue here. Victimize everyone. Divide people into tribes that are always right. No room for any discussion, critical thinking... only dictatorship of power-groups of emotionally retarded ignorant, arrogant, useless communists. Because your idea only slaughtered 300 million people in last 100 years, while individual freedoms eradicated poverty by half in 8 years... Keep separating humans, so they start slaughtering each other again. Keep pulling out your "science" out of your ass... I don't care. Nature must find a way to make idiots extinct, so I guess you need to find a way to slaughter each other... You are on the best, proven track. Well done genius! Or how about learn something? It is amazing how the less you know, the smarter you think you are. BDW, would you like me to troll your posts and prove you are wrong on everything you write about; capitalism etc? You have no idea what the terms even mean, so back to learning before you try to pretend you are so wise with being dumb on my blog, mkay pumpkin? You are nowhere near a thinker. You are confused about yourself, so maybe don't try to fix the world. Change starts from within. Here is some actual science you can either learn from, or stay a "rather offended" vegetable. Let me know if you want a ton more ;)