Your self upvote is flagged by The-Resistance team using the WE-RESIST bot.
We will be resisting with a team, stronger each day, unless you stop downvoting innocent people.
I find you abusive, annoying and intolerable. Your actions deserve no respect. What did you expect, some loving thanks for flagging me and others? Dream on. Your purpose in life? I wonder what that it is. The system is designed with 6.5 days for upvotes, your Grumpy-Compliance is nonsense and arbitrary. If you want to change things, make a PR and hope they approve it, or find something better to do with your purpose. Public opinion is growing against you.
I made a post the other day that semi-jokingly points out what is wrong with GC (probably in real life to some degree as well no doubt).
I've come to the conclusion that the Grumpy-compliance nonsense is a classic bullying tactic that is being played, where they set up some crazy rule of their own making that obviously won't be followed because the rule is asinine and short-sighted, and then when said rule is broken the bully starts randomly going after innocent bystanders as some kind of justice. Even more bizarre, they believe collateral damage is justified because their ends justify any means of getting there.
The behavior of @grumpycat is a classic blend of personality disorders, and I'm kind of amazed it's been allowed to go on for so long by the whales on Steem... but on the other hand I'm not surprised really, it would be like watching a rabid cat attacking an anthill in real life; as long as the rabid cat is not bothering the whales, they could care less. @grumpycat is probably the worst offender of self upvoting their garbage posts and spam comments I've seen, which makes the whole grumpy-compliance nonsense even more hilarious and sad. The inability to see oneself from the perspective of other people is a trait shared by people with extreme personality disorders.
Just imagine someone behaving like GC in real life. I've witnessed it first hand and I will tell you it's a pathetic display of self-preservation when they get exposed and taken out (If you've even watched the original "The Dead Zone" movie where christopher walken goes to shoot Martin Sheen's Machiavellian character, and Martin Sheen grabs someones baby and holds it out in front of themselves as a shield; this is how people like @grumpycat behave in real life when they are exposed and attacked - they drag in the innocent bystanders and hold them hostage).
So you're OPENLY telling us that your flagging is completely arbitrary and you simply bought a shitton of SP, only in order to be a massive fucking bully on Steemit?
Your self upvote is flagged by The-Resistance team using the WE-RESIST bot.
We will be resisting with a team, stronger each day, unless you stop downvoting innocent people.
How about changing the flag to a downvote? And some literature to help normalise downvotes. There needs to be a culture acceptance of downvotes alongside upvotes. A community that cannot accept a negative opinion is borderline insane.
Of course, I look forward to incentivizing downvotes. I pledge all of my SP to downvoting abuse and conspiracy bullshit were it incentivized.
Flagging alters reputation and should only be used in the case of abuse: spreading lies, self-voting rings, hate speech, willful oppression of minorities, spamming, materially duplicate mass comments, et c. It’s not “I don’t like this”.
Upvoting alters reputation as well. You may rationalize it any way you wish, but the downvote/flag has the opposite effect of the upvote. The only difference, of course, is one does not earn curation rewards. (Which you yourself have admitted is a bug - and I applaud you for it!)
I'd personally refuse to be part of any community where people are discouraged to express a negative opinion in voting. Thus far, I have only used downvotes for the reasons you have mentioned above (all of which is rampant on Steem, as you know), and it bothers me greatly. I would want to downvote stuff I don't like - just like I have on Reddit for a decade.
@liberosist - Since you and sneak have both chosen to downvote my post about bill gates that mentions vaccine science, you are welcome - as is sneak - to explain exactly what it is about that post that violates the 'authorised' reasons to flag. As far as I can see from Sneak's list here, the only possible option is that you think the post contains lies - but as you have not commented on what exactly those lies are, we are left with thinking that you are acting out of personal bias. Sneak has failed to respond to my request for an explanation that includes evidence to back up his position and has instead resorted to judgemental and childish ad hominem attack. We are waiting.
@liberosist, I have to post this again, because firepower flags all my posts and comments for censorship just because I was telling the truth.
Please reconsider your upvotes to firepower, who is a spammer and a abuser. He banned my steemit.chat account for censorship and repeats his lies everyday.
Why should I believe you over @firepower, one of the most engaged members of the community, who has done so much for Steem? Instead, you are just spamming this completely off-topic. I won't flag you yet, but if you spam me again, I will. I'd suggest you get over your unhealthy obsession with @firepower and move on. If you are unable, visit a therapist. All the best.
You don't need believe me. You can only believe blockchain and evidence, if you can open you honorable eyes.
When I decided to fight the spammer, I am ready to sacrifice my reputation and future payouts. Don't try to scare me with flags.
You can flag as long you can justify yourself.
Good luck
I disagree with you @sneak The bots are a very powerful tool that could help us grow, however you always have to be very careful with them and @drakos is warning about an irregularity. He is in all his right to expose the community the case, that can also happen to any of us tomorrow.
I'm surprised you wrote that @sneak. Do you prefer we shut up and let people like him continue on their rampage? Have you been following grumpycat's actions? I suggest you do so before making comments like that.
I haven’t shared my opinion until now, but I will because you seem to have misread it and responded on the basis of those mistaken assumptions.
Content on Steemit complaining about the mechanics of Steem (with the notable exception of improvement proposals), voting, the price of STEEM, and who did what to whom on Steemit is boring as fuck and I hate reading it and I hate seeing it rewarded.
It has absolutely nothing to do with you or your particular feud. Meta-discussion is worthless.
This is social platform isn't it? The topic of a post is personal, if I want to write about my little hamster, my feuds, or the meal I ate today, that's my prerogative. Some people may like it, others won't. If you don't feel concerned, that's fine, there are plenty of other topics that may interest you: art, cryptos, fiction, nsfw, etc...
Complaining about problems is normal and should be taken into consideration by whoever is concerned. And when you see repeating complaints, that's a big signal that something is wrong! Instead of bitching about it, those complaints should be tackled with solutions instead of letting them linger forever. If no solutions are in view, you're guaranteed to have reactions from the users until something is done. Sadly, many of the STEEM mechanics are broken, there's no denying of that. We try to cope with what we've got until Steemit decides to fix (or keep ignoring) things.
You can also make a PR to add "Telling the truth" to the list of reasons to flag. Now @firepower, a spammer and liar, downvotes all my posts and comments. He is using this tactics to intimidate me to censor steem. He banned my steemit.chat account for the same reason. For details, please read:
LOL! Keep talking trash you idiot. That's all you're ever going to achieve in your life. Please keep spamming so I have something to flag. :D You'll know soon why....
Oh absolutely! I don't need the VP or the resulting curation rewards. I can do this forever! It'll only get easier as I continue to power up. ;) Give me another one to flag will you? :D
@sneak "complaining about the voting of others" ---> That will help making the platform a total fascist, centralized, censored blockchain. If I am not mistaken, STEEM blockchain with outperform IOTA and we can rename STEEM with STalinEEM blockchain!!!!!!!
My thoughts exactly. Glad to have a witness like you and @drakos who are sensible people. Flags Vs upvotes is a zero-sum game that only waste time. It should be used purely on the cases which objectively ruins the platform like spam, plagiarism etc and not on disagreement on rewards.
With EOS planning its own community module and a very lagging Hive and SMT + this kind of weird issues is the last thing the platform needs. If the SP is instead used in article spinners, spammers etc who is filling the blockchain with junk and creating issues to the long term stability as well as DMCA issues and what not, this could have been logical.
I am seeing the possibility of the entire blockchain going down like "Kim dotcom's" companies under DMCA. If for the junk and stolen content on the blockchain which is stored by the witnesses, if DMCA goes after individual witnesses, we will see the end of steemit and STEEM ! And here we are fooling around!!!!
EDIT: @grumpycat check, here is some rotten fish for you :
I never really wanted to bring this up because somebody would attempt this........but here we go.
Revenge Porn.
DMCA are nothing. Rapes have been live-streamed on FB. What do you do when that happens on STEEM while whales are wasting their VP on ego trips.
The main problem is the lack of a clear and specific constitution. Society needs to function under rules. The problem is the rulers. We need to specify which content are not allowed and we need those rules enforced under community consensus with the help of Oracles. A good portion can be automated. But implementation should become a serious hell. IMO it all comes down to: Constitution + Oracles
How does the law deal with a decentralized blockchain full of pilfered IP?
The Law hasn't started noticing yet IMHO. Now, the word decentralized should be taken with a pinch of salt. Lets compare with a P2P file sharing system like bittorrent and STEEM is not that decentralized. The blockchain lives on some 400 witness servers which is nothing compared to say the pirated copies of a popular movie. I am not mentioning about cats or dogs or any of the arguments like the monetary distribution. From a technical stand point, ~400 servers is in no way a decentralized system. A lot of the witness servers are hosted by couple of providers and the whole thing is super easy for 'law'. But the good thing or bad thing about STEEM for now is may be some 10% of the content is copyright violated and thats too small compared to the piracy elsewhere.
With regard to decentralization, I've also seen a number of posts made to the Interplanetary File system (IPFS). I don't know how much of that violates copyrights, but from what I can see from the white paper on the subject, IPFS is highly resistant to censorship and it is decentralized.
Have you considered IPFS as decentralized storage system as a source for content linked to on Steemit? I'm not even sure if I have phrased the question right...But I hope you understand what it is that I'm asking.
you know what, I actually wanted to add IPFS to my original comment. But I wanted to make it simpler as people generally tell me that I make things complicated by adding too many things :-D
IPFS is highly resistant to censorship and it is decentralized.
Yes, IPFS is & has proven that their claims are true.
Further, IPFS has a mechanism to deliver blockchains over the IPFS network in a transparent way. I haven't tested it and haven't understood it enough. So I can't make any more comments. But I am doubtful how fast it will be for something like Graphene blockchain (Bitshraes, STEEM, GOLOS, EOS).
Have you considered IPFS as decentralized storage system as a source for content linked to on Steemit?
Yes and DTube is already doing it. Suprisignly steemit.com is storing its images on a centralized Amazon S3 storage.
So DTube is essentially like PirateBay with plagiarised content indexes and the content itself is stored elsewhere on IPFS. But the posts and the metadata pointing to the source of the IPFS URLs are on the STEEM blockchain. So you take down STEEM blockchain, the IPFS URLS will loose the pointers to them and they will become dangling with no way to easily access them apart from using the IPFS interface. Yes, even keeping a list of URLs and titles in a text file can act just like DTube and save the content even in the event of DMCA take down or similar of STEEM blockchain.
If you are interested in IPFS, I have pointed out few use cases below:
PS: I had written this before realizing Filecoin is the coin for IPFS.
I have to admit that I like the concept of hosting files for Filecoin. Talk about proof of stake, and it doesn't require that much energy compared to proof of work.
I also recall watching Dan Larimer give a talk about using EOS for storage, too. I was really impressed with his concept of a virtual datacenter based on blockchain technology.
I like your analogy about DTube and PirateBay. Decentralized, next to impossible to take down and censor.
As to the embrace of this new technology by the law, I have a fair amount of confidence that the succeeding generations will eventually refuse to carry on the old way of copyrights and patents. I hope that the millennials remember their experience with Napster and proceed to relax copyright law to allow for content to flourish in the digital age.
Thanks for a nice, fairly off-topic correspondence. :)
I also recall watching Dan Larimer give a talk about using EOS for storage, too.
I was not aware of this. I was under the impression that IPFS will be used for storage and ofcourse traditional stuff.
we will take this discussion out of this place and I feel this is a good thing that I found a good human being though things around here are not something I understand!
Hello @drakos! How are things? What you mention about DTube is probably true, but I fear it applies to a large extent to Steemit too...
I know a couple Steemians making money from copying/pasting articles ONLY out of electronic magazines. They don't pretend they wrote them, but the outcome of their behaviour doesn't differ so much - using others contents without their consent.
Sorry @drakos i can completely relate with where you are coming from. I can personally attest to the fact that you have been a source of great help in time of need to this community and seeing all your efforts being trampled on saddens me to my marrow. I usually direct friends with problems to you on steemit.chat and you always help them no matter how busy you are. How can we help?
Seriously though, how can minnows help? I upvoted @the-resistance and voted for you as a witness, but I don't have enough SP to delegate yet. It seems pretty clear that he cannot be reasoned with. What other avenues of recourse do we have, if any? I think that people trolling for monetary gain is one of the biggest issues facing steemit at the moment, but I have no idea how to contribute meaningfully to fighting against it.
Sometimes, power blinds the people who exercise it. It pushes them to believe that there is no reality other than their own; as if their voice was that of God. You are an impeccable person and user. You support to the different persons from the heart, believing to the end in your actions and in the people around you. You are one of the individuals who make this community more livable and I really hope that all this tyranny ends soon. A hug to you, Drakos!
I have seen a lot of shit-tier people on this platform, and I've seen almost as many that get plenty of rewards and recognition. @drakos is one of the best people we have. There is hardly a day that goes by where you can't ask him for help and he won't respond, despite being a prolific poster and engaged across the platform, both as a user and as a witness. Of all the people to downvote, how the hell do you land on drakos? Get bent, @grumpycat.
As I said before, the ability to downvote a post is a MAJOR design flaw in Steem. This power NEEDS TO BE REMOVED OR STEEMIT WILL DIE. This is a lot worse than flame wars, folks. Is anyone at steemit listening? I almost left myself because of some self appointed asshole.
if you remove downvoting you eliminate the ability to remove rewards from spam and plagiarism.
I'm more in favor of having two separate pools, to remove the financial disincentive to downvoting. Give everyone their daily pool of voting power, and thier daily pool of downvoting power. that way people who spend a lot of vp downvoting won't have an easy excuse to make up for lost rewards by selfvoting bullshit
unfortunately, you can't have it both ways. Maybe a downvote should require 5 people or something like that. That way you could still get rid of spam but not allow one person to selfishly downvote people for no good reason.
So it wastes 5 peoples vp to counter one person's vote? That doesn't sound like it will get rid of spam, that sounds like it will take 5x the voting power to fight spam.
Most of the times I don't agree with these crusades. One person's spam may not be another's Steemit needs to be open and welcoming, not like a bunch of condo Nazis.
So we can all post whatever crap we want no consequences to it. So along with the no down votes then how would the NSFW images be taken care of that ignore that rule, or all the blatant hate speech, or threats of violence. No the down vote needs to stay, and whether people like @berniesanders or @grumpycat, or we will see what @madpuppy does, they are needed. With whales and some witnesses and other large account holders becoming so called "victims" they want to do something now? I am sorry, but their attempts are plainly pitiful. If the large account holders, and the witnesses were so damned concerned about this they would have aided @berniesanders against that haejin person and his benefactor. So before making a statement about the "MAJOR design flaw in Steem" and saying it needs to be removed give your real reason for it's removal, give a solution to what you perceive as a problem, or try to do something about it.
@drakos, @grumpycat,@berniesanders, and a few others are at least trying to do something about what they perceive as the problem. What are you doing about the problem. I can tell you what I am doing about it. I actually think that both sides are doing what they think is best, I think that if steem inc, or the owners of steemit felt that something needed to be done they would. I think that on April 15th everyone, every single individual should make a @grumpycat post and then make nine or twenty or 100 comments to their own post and give themselves 100% upvotes. Break the bank on American Tax day deadline. Then, maybe steemit owners will see that, "uhh captain we have a problem".
But I am sure the reason you don't like the down vote is because you like looking at trash for free.
Look, a great many people here are anarchists, including me. As such, we don't believe in any of your stupid crusades. People should be free to do as they please and if you don't like it go back to Facebook or Reddit. You have me very pissed off and now I plan to do something about people like you. Some of the whales have the same view. If you don't like "hate speech," etc. go the fuck back where you came from.
As @drakos consistently makes good content and only has the 908th largest payout, I don't see the need to downvote him at all. Others that use bots are among the top payouts and contribute little in terms of quality content. If anyone needs a downvote it is them.
WE ARE THE RESISTANCE!
@GrumpyCat
Your self upvote is flagged by The-Resistance team using the WE-RESIST bot.
We will be resisting with a team, stronger each day, unless you stop downvoting innocent people.
To your tyranny WE-RESIST
The Resistance
Discord: https://discord.gg/qMWCbWR
You got flagged in part because you're too narrow minded to understand that enforcing Grumpy-Compliance is not my sole purpose in life.
I find you very insulting and dumb overall.
I find you abusive, annoying and intolerable. Your actions deserve no respect. What did you expect, some loving thanks for flagging me and others? Dream on. Your purpose in life? I wonder what that it is. The system is designed with 6.5 days for upvotes, your Grumpy-Compliance is nonsense and arbitrary. If you want to change things, make a PR and hope they approve it, or find something better to do with your purpose. Public opinion is growing against you.
I made a post the other day that semi-jokingly points out what is wrong with GC (probably in real life to some degree as well no doubt).
I've come to the conclusion that the Grumpy-compliance nonsense is a classic bullying tactic that is being played, where they set up some crazy rule of their own making that obviously won't be followed because the rule is asinine and short-sighted, and then when said rule is broken the bully starts randomly going after innocent bystanders as some kind of justice. Even more bizarre, they believe collateral damage is justified because their ends justify any means of getting there.
The behavior of @grumpycat is a classic blend of personality disorders, and I'm kind of amazed it's been allowed to go on for so long by the whales on Steem... but on the other hand I'm not surprised really, it would be like watching a rabid cat attacking an anthill in real life; as long as the rabid cat is not bothering the whales, they could care less. @grumpycat is probably the worst offender of self upvoting their garbage posts and spam comments I've seen, which makes the whole grumpy-compliance nonsense even more hilarious and sad. The inability to see oneself from the perspective of other people is a trait shared by people with extreme personality disorders.
Just imagine someone behaving like GC in real life. I've witnessed it first hand and I will tell you it's a pathetic display of self-preservation when they get exposed and taken out (If you've even watched the original "The Dead Zone" movie where christopher walken goes to shoot Martin Sheen's Machiavellian character, and Martin Sheen grabs someones baby and holds it out in front of themselves as a shield; this is how people like @grumpycat behave in real life when they are exposed and attacked - they drag in the innocent bystanders and hold them hostage).
So you're OPENLY telling us that your flagging is completely arbitrary and you simply bought a shitton of SP, only in order to be a massive fucking bully on Steemit?
Jesus, you're really an asswipe!
You could write an entire dictionary of words that describe the person who owns @grumpycat's account:
seriously, the list could go on forever, but I think GC likes the attention, good or bad.
Yes he is.
WE ARE THE RESISTANCE!
@GrumpyCat
Your self upvote is flagged by The-Resistance team using the WE-RESIST bot.
We will be resisting with a team, stronger each day, unless you stop downvoting innocent people.
To your tyranny WE-RESIST
The Resistance
Discord: https://discord.gg/qMWCbWR
That is fucking rich coming from someone who upvoted his own comment.
Like your post
There should be a button for that..
It's the upvote button ;)
I might make a PR that adds "complaining about the voting of others" to the list of reasons to flag something.
How about changing the flag to a downvote? And some literature to help normalise downvotes. There needs to be a culture acceptance of downvotes alongside upvotes. A community that cannot accept a negative opinion is borderline insane.
Of course, I look forward to incentivizing downvotes. I pledge all of my SP to downvoting abuse and conspiracy bullshit were it incentivized.
Some people seem too think that flagging is like burning money, but that's obviously not how it works.
Flagging isn’t downvoting.
Flagging alters reputation and should only be used in the case of abuse: spreading lies, self-voting rings, hate speech, willful oppression of minorities, spamming, materially duplicate mass comments, et c. It’s not “I don’t like this”.
Upvoting alters reputation as well. You may rationalize it any way you wish, but the downvote/flag has the opposite effect of the upvote. The only difference, of course, is one does not earn curation rewards. (Which you yourself have admitted is a bug - and I applaud you for it!)
I'd personally refuse to be part of any community where people are discouraged to express a negative opinion in voting. Thus far, I have only used downvotes for the reasons you have mentioned above (all of which is rampant on Steem, as you know), and it bothers me greatly. I would want to downvote stuff I don't like - just like I have on Reddit for a decade.
@liberosist - Since you and sneak have both chosen to downvote my post about bill gates that mentions vaccine science, you are welcome - as is sneak - to explain exactly what it is about that post that violates the 'authorised' reasons to flag. As far as I can see from Sneak's list here, the only possible option is that you think the post contains lies - but as you have not commented on what exactly those lies are, we are left with thinking that you are acting out of personal bias. Sneak has failed to respond to my request for an explanation that includes evidence to back up his position and has instead resorted to judgemental and childish ad hominem attack. We are waiting.
@liberosist, I have to post this again, because firepower flags all my posts and comments for censorship just because I was telling the truth.
Please reconsider your upvotes to firepower, who is a spammer and a abuser. He banned my steemit.chat account for censorship and repeats his lies everyday.
For more information, please read
https://steemit.com/steemit/@nationalpark/observation-and-analysis-the-dark-hand-of-steemit-steemit
https://steemit.com/steemit/@nationalpark/observation-and-analysis-firepower-of-spamming
Why should I believe you over @firepower, one of the most engaged members of the community, who has done so much for Steem? Instead, you are just spamming this completely off-topic. I won't flag you yet, but if you spam me again, I will. I'd suggest you get over your unhealthy obsession with @firepower and move on. If you are unable, visit a therapist. All the best.
You don't need believe me. You can only believe blockchain and evidence, if you can open you honorable eyes.
When I decided to fight the spammer, I am ready to sacrifice my reputation and future payouts. Don't try to scare me with flags.
You can flag as long you can justify yourself.
Good luck
Please reconsider your upvotes to firepower, who is a spammer and a abuser. For more information, please read
I disagree with you @sneak The bots are a very powerful tool that could help us grow, however you always have to be very careful with them and @drakos is warning about an irregularity. He is in all his right to expose the community the case, that can also happen to any of us tomorrow.
How can you disagree with me when I didn’t express an opinion?
I'm surprised you wrote that @sneak. Do you prefer we shut up and let people like him continue on their rampage? Have you been following grumpycat's actions? I suggest you do so before making comments like that.
“but my complaining is legitimate!”
Of course it is, you're entitled to your opinion, although I disagree with it.
I haven’t shared my opinion until now, but I will because you seem to have misread it and responded on the basis of those mistaken assumptions.
Content on Steemit complaining about the mechanics of Steem (with the notable exception of improvement proposals), voting, the price of STEEM, and who did what to whom on Steemit is boring as fuck and I hate reading it and I hate seeing it rewarded.
It has absolutely nothing to do with you or your particular feud. Meta-discussion is worthless.
Stop upvoting complainers.
This is social platform isn't it? The topic of a post is personal, if I want to write about my little hamster, my feuds, or the meal I ate today, that's my prerogative. Some people may like it, others won't. If you don't feel concerned, that's fine, there are plenty of other topics that may interest you: art, cryptos, fiction, nsfw, etc...
Complaining about problems is normal and should be taken into consideration by whoever is concerned. And when you see repeating complaints, that's a big signal that something is wrong! Instead of bitching about it, those complaints should be tackled with solutions instead of letting them linger forever. If no solutions are in view, you're guaranteed to have reactions from the users until something is done. Sadly, many of the STEEM mechanics are broken, there's no denying of that. We try to cope with what we've got until Steemit decides to fix (or keep ignoring) things.
You can also make a PR to add "Telling the truth" to the list of reasons to flag. Now @firepower, a spammer and liar, downvotes all my posts and comments. He is using this tactics to intimidate me to censor steem. He banned my steemit.chat account for the same reason. For details, please read:
Hey @firepower, why did you 100% downvote this? 1% is enough. Save your Voting Power to flag more posts. 😄
LOL! You'll know soon enough. Keep spamming moron! Please don't ever stop OK? :D
No matter what you say and what you do, you cannot change the facts that
Here's some reality for you. No one gives a shit about you and your bullshit that you continue to vomit all over this platform.
You are saying your friends are giving you lots of shit? You can just eat all and say 'Yummy! Mouthwatering!!' -- your signature spamming phrase 😄
LOL! Keep talking trash you idiot. That's all you're ever going to achieve in your life. Please keep spamming so I have something to flag. :D You'll know soon why....
Wow! Another 100% downvote. You are so generous. Now I give you another chance to flag. 😂
10% is also very generous. Another one for you.
@firepower, thank you for your generous contribution. I believe we are working together to serve the rewarding pool. Thank you😄
Oh absolutely! I don't need the VP or the resulting curation rewards. I can do this forever! It'll only get easier as I continue to power up. ;) Give me another one to flag will you? :D
@sneak "complaining about the voting of others" ---> That will help making the platform a total fascist, centralized, censored blockchain. If I am not mistaken, STEEM blockchain with outperform IOTA and we can rename STEEM with STalinEEM blockchain!!!!!!!
My thoughts exactly. Glad to have a witness like you and @drakos who are sensible people. Flags Vs upvotes is a zero-sum game that only waste time. It should be used purely on the cases which objectively ruins the platform like spam, plagiarism etc and not on disagreement on rewards.
With EOS planning its own community module and a very lagging Hive and SMT + this kind of weird issues is the last thing the platform needs. If the SP is instead used in article spinners, spammers etc who is filling the blockchain with junk and creating issues to the long term stability as well as DMCA issues and what not, this could have been logical.
I am seeing the possibility of the entire blockchain going down like "Kim dotcom's" companies under DMCA. If for the junk and stolen content on the blockchain which is stored by the witnesses, if DMCA goes after individual witnesses, we will see the end of steemit and STEEM ! And here we are fooling around!!!!
EDIT: @grumpycat check, here is some rotten fish for you :
https://steemit.com/steemcleaners/@bobinson/scenario-dmca-takedown-of-steem-blockchain
I never really wanted to bring this up because somebody would attempt this........but here we go.
Revenge Porn.
DMCA are nothing. Rapes have been live-streamed on FB. What do you do when that happens on STEEM while whales are wasting their VP on ego trips.
oh man :-( I was not aware of the fb thing ...
Food for thought!
The main problem is the lack of a clear and specific constitution. Society needs to function under rules. The problem is the rulers. We need to specify which content are not allowed and we need those rules enforced under community consensus with the help of Oracles. A good portion can be automated. But implementation should become a serious hell. IMO it all comes down to: Constitution + Oracles
This is a really interesting point. How does the law deal with a decentralized blockchain full of pilfered IP?
The Law hasn't started noticing yet IMHO. Now, the word decentralized should be taken with a pinch of salt. Lets compare with a P2P file sharing system like bittorrent and STEEM is not that decentralized. The blockchain lives on some 400 witness servers which is nothing compared to say the pirated copies of a popular movie. I am not mentioning about cats or dogs or any of the arguments like the monetary distribution. From a technical stand point, ~400 servers is in no way a decentralized system. A lot of the witness servers are hosted by couple of providers and the whole thing is super easy for 'law'. But the good thing or bad thing about STEEM for now is may be some 10% of the content is copyright violated and thats too small compared to the piracy elsewhere.
With regard to decentralization, I've also seen a number of posts made to the Interplanetary File system (IPFS). I don't know how much of that violates copyrights, but from what I can see from the white paper on the subject, IPFS is highly resistant to censorship and it is decentralized.
Have you considered IPFS as decentralized storage system as a source for content linked to on Steemit? I'm not even sure if I have phrased the question right...But I hope you understand what it is that I'm asking.
you know what, I actually wanted to add IPFS to my original comment. But I wanted to make it simpler as people generally tell me that I make things complicated by adding too many things :-D
Yes, IPFS is & has proven that their claims are true.
Further, IPFS has a mechanism to deliver blockchains over the IPFS network in a transparent way. I haven't tested it and haven't understood it enough. So I can't make any more comments. But I am doubtful how fast it will be for something like Graphene blockchain (Bitshraes, STEEM, GOLOS, EOS).
Yes and DTube is already doing it. Suprisignly steemit.com is storing its images on a centralized Amazon S3 storage.
So DTube is essentially like PirateBay with plagiarised content indexes and the content itself is stored elsewhere on IPFS. But the posts and the metadata pointing to the source of the IPFS URLs are on the STEEM blockchain. So you take down STEEM blockchain, the IPFS URLS will loose the pointers to them and they will become dangling with no way to easily access them apart from using the IPFS interface. Yes, even keeping a list of URLs and titles in a text file can act just like DTube and save the content even in the event of DMCA take down or similar of STEEM blockchain.
If you are interested in IPFS, I have pointed out few use cases below:
PS: I had written this before realizing Filecoin is the coin for IPFS.
https://steemit.com/blockchain/@bobinson/applying-blockchain-innovations-to-highly-transnational-network-dependent-services
I have to admit that I like the concept of hosting files for Filecoin. Talk about proof of stake, and it doesn't require that much energy compared to proof of work.
I also recall watching Dan Larimer give a talk about using EOS for storage, too. I was really impressed with his concept of a virtual datacenter based on blockchain technology.
I like your analogy about DTube and PirateBay. Decentralized, next to impossible to take down and censor.
As to the embrace of this new technology by the law, I have a fair amount of confidence that the succeeding generations will eventually refuse to carry on the old way of copyrights and patents. I hope that the millennials remember their experience with Napster and proceed to relax copyright law to allow for content to flourish in the digital age.
Thanks for a nice, fairly off-topic correspondence. :)
Agree on the Napster part.
I was not aware of this. I was under the impression that IPFS will be used for storage and ofcourse traditional stuff.
we will take this discussion out of this place and I feel this is a good thing that I found a good human being though things around here are not something I understand!
There's a shitload of copyrighted material on IPFS/DTube, I stay away from it.
Hello @drakos! How are things? What you mention about DTube is probably true, but I fear it applies to a large extent to Steemit too...
I know a couple Steemians making money from copying/pasting articles ONLY out of electronic magazines. They don't pretend they wrote them, but the outcome of their behaviour doesn't differ so much - using others contents without their consent.
Sorry @drakos i can completely relate with where you are coming from. I can personally attest to the fact that you have been a source of great help in time of need to this community and seeing all your efforts being trampled on saddens me to my marrow. I usually direct friends with problems to you on steemit.chat and you always help them no matter how busy you are. How can we help?
@drakos I second @dee-y !
Tell that to the flagging tyrant.
Seriously though, how can minnows help? I upvoted @the-resistance and voted for you as a witness, but I don't have enough SP to delegate yet. It seems pretty clear that he cannot be reasoned with. What other avenues of recourse do we have, if any? I think that people trolling for monetary gain is one of the biggest issues facing steemit at the moment, but I have no idea how to contribute meaningfully to fighting against it.
https://steemcleaners.org/abuse-report/
You can earn rewards reporting comment spammers, check it out, it's something you can do
Thanks! I'll do so.
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Sometimes, power blinds the people who exercise it. It pushes them to believe that there is no reality other than their own; as if their voice was that of God. You are an impeccable person and user. You support to the different persons from the heart, believing to the end in your actions and in the people around you. You are one of the individuals who make this community more livable and I really hope that all this tyranny ends soon. A hug to you, Drakos!
I have seen a lot of shit-tier people on this platform, and I've seen almost as many that get plenty of rewards and recognition. @drakos is one of the best people we have. There is hardly a day that goes by where you can't ask him for help and he won't respond, despite being a prolific poster and engaged across the platform, both as a user and as a witness. Of all the people to downvote, how the hell do you land on drakos? Get bent, @grumpycat.
He even called me dumb, that ignorant fool.
As I said before, the ability to downvote a post is a MAJOR design flaw in Steem. This power NEEDS TO BE REMOVED OR STEEMIT WILL DIE. This is a lot worse than flame wars, folks. Is anyone at steemit listening? I almost left myself because of some self appointed asshole.
if you remove downvoting you eliminate the ability to remove rewards from spam and plagiarism.
I'm more in favor of having two separate pools, to remove the financial disincentive to downvoting. Give everyone their daily pool of voting power, and thier daily pool of downvoting power. that way people who spend a lot of vp downvoting won't have an easy excuse to make up for lost rewards by selfvoting bullshit
Agreed.
unfortunately, you can't have it both ways. Maybe a downvote should require 5 people or something like that. That way you could still get rid of spam but not allow one person to selfishly downvote people for no good reason.
So it wastes 5 peoples vp to counter one person's vote? That doesn't sound like it will get rid of spam, that sounds like it will take 5x the voting power to fight spam.
Most of the times I don't agree with these crusades. One person's spam may not be another's Steemit needs to be open and welcoming, not like a bunch of condo Nazis.
#pedolife
@moeknows said something similar a few days ago. I've forgotten how he put it exactly. wish steeminc could do this.
I really share his pain. It's really painful. I think it happens to virtually everyone
So we can all post whatever crap we want no consequences to it. So along with the no down votes then how would the NSFW images be taken care of that ignore that rule, or all the blatant hate speech, or threats of violence. No the down vote needs to stay, and whether people like @berniesanders or @grumpycat, or we will see what @madpuppy does, they are needed. With whales and some witnesses and other large account holders becoming so called "victims" they want to do something now? I am sorry, but their attempts are plainly pitiful. If the large account holders, and the witnesses were so damned concerned about this they would have aided @berniesanders against that haejin person and his benefactor. So before making a statement about the "MAJOR design flaw in Steem" and saying it needs to be removed give your real reason for it's removal, give a solution to what you perceive as a problem, or try to do something about it.
@drakos, @grumpycat,@berniesanders, and a few others are at least trying to do something about what they perceive as the problem. What are you doing about the problem. I can tell you what I am doing about it. I actually think that both sides are doing what they think is best, I think that if steem inc, or the owners of steemit felt that something needed to be done they would. I think that on April 15th everyone, every single individual should make a @grumpycat post and then make nine or twenty or 100 comments to their own post and give themselves 100% upvotes. Break the bank on American Tax day deadline. Then, maybe steemit owners will see that, "uhh captain we have a problem".
But I am sure the reason you don't like the down vote is because you like looking at trash for free.
Look, a great many people here are anarchists, including me. As such, we don't believe in any of your stupid crusades. People should be free to do as they please and if you don't like it go back to Facebook or Reddit. You have me very pissed off and now I plan to do something about people like you. Some of the whales have the same view. If you don't like "hate speech," etc. go the fuck back where you came from.
As @drakos consistently makes good content and only has the 908th largest payout, I don't see the need to downvote him at all. Others that use bots are among the top payouts and contribute little in terms of quality content. If anyone needs a downvote it is them.
Together, united, we will bring this issue to an end.
@The-Resistance
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